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Posted: 8/30/2015 8:18:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By schaz42: Gotcha, when I was doing my SAM-R build I had Compass Lake do the barrel so they pinned it for me. What barrel y'all using on your builds? William  |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 9:34:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Krieger/Criterion <a href="https://flic.kr/p/wZ6qBV" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/324/20336801691_0cc675cfbe_o.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By schaz42:
Gotcha, when I was doing my SAM-R build I had Compass Lake do the barrel so they pinned it for me. What barrel y'all using on your builds? William <a href="https://flic.kr/p/wZ6qBV" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/324/20336801691_0cc675cfbe_o.jpg</a> I like the finish on that!! My CLE is bright as all hell, I've actually contemplated spraying it black. Though maybe I'll do a satin like yours 
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Posted: 8/30/2015 3:40:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By schaz42: I like the finish on that!! My CLE is bright as all hell, I've actually contemplated spraying it black. Though maybe I'll do a satin like yours William Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By schaz42: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By schaz42: Gotcha, when I was doing my SAM-R build I had Compass Lake do the barrel so they pinned it for me. What barrel y'all using on your builds? William <a href="https://flic.kr/p/wZ6qBV" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/324/20336801691_0cc675cfbe_o.jpg</a> I like the finish on that!! My CLE is bright as all hell, I've actually contemplated spraying it black. Though maybe I'll do a satin like yours William It's a slightly darker color than Ballistic Advantage has on their bead blasted barrels. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 4:09:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Well let me be the voice of reason. The Mk12 Mod 1 and SAM-R are so fricking similar, it seems redundant to me. What you need, is a BHD 723 build. But since you're getting all crazy... can we get a pic of your Mk12 MOd 1? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By JeredMD:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Progress thus far. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/vYT4Kr" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/380/19678033371_37846693f2_o.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/wbSeS9" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3749/19813670240_9091f70d88_o.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/vPfn3u" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3737/19569023940_a6690576ed_o.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/vCkqZg" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/505/19445531313_a3f1e9de9c_o.jpg</a> Barrel and gas block are en route to ADCO for pinning. Optics and a few small parts are still needed. First I build a Mk12 Mod 1 that took me 5 yrs to build, which along the way i built a M16A4 clone, M4A1 Sopmod clone and finally a M4A1 Block II clone..... Now I basically sold all my shit besides my mk12 mod 1 cause it was my favorite for suppressors and a bow... I leave arfcom for a month and half and this is what I come back to? A FUCKING SAM-GOD DAMN R THREAD! DAMN YOU!!!! Where do I send my money to get my god damn hard to fucking find SAM-FUCKING R parts? Cause I can tell ya right now.... These will be more difficult to find than any of the other damn clone parts. 
BTW, you have a good set going there  Well let me be the voice of reason. The Mk12 Mod 1 and SAM-R are so fricking similar, it seems redundant to me. What you need, is a BHD 723 build. But since you're getting all crazy... can we get a pic of your Mk12 MOd 1? Lol, Mk12 Mod 1 and Mk12 Mod 0 had a baby, and named her SAM-R. 
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Posted: 8/30/2015 4:17:16 PM EDT
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Yep. And then they adopted....
SDM-R 
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Posted: 8/30/2015 5:31:36 PM EDT
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Wait a minute..... So this $460 gas block doesn't even come with the holes drilled to mount it???!!! Now you gotta pay somebody more money to correctly drill the holes before you can use it. WTF!! Stupid SAM-R.
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Posted: 8/30/2015 5:37:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Wait a minute..... So this $460 gas block doesn't even come with the holes drilled to mount it???!!! Now you gotta pay somebody more money to correctly drill the holes before you can use it. WTF!! Stupid SAM-R. Gas blocks and barrels are all drilled together as a matched pair. It would actually make the job harder to use a pre-drilled gas block to drill the barrel's taper pins. I did it myself on my RO727, and it was a pain in the dick. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 5:43:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Lol, Mk12 Mod 1 and Mk12 Mod 0 had a baby, and named her SAM-R. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By JeredMD:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Progress thus far. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/vYT4Kr" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/380/19678033371_37846693f2_o.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/wbSeS9" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3749/19813670240_9091f70d88_o.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/vPfn3u" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3737/19569023940_a6690576ed_o.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/vCkqZg" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/505/19445531313_a3f1e9de9c_o.jpg</a> Barrel and gas block are en route to ADCO for pinning. Optics and a few small parts are still needed. First I build a Mk12 Mod 1 that took me 5 yrs to build, which along the way i built a M16A4 clone, M4A1 Sopmod clone and finally a M4A1 Block II clone..... Now I basically sold all my shit besides my mk12 mod 1 cause it was my favorite for suppressors and a bow... I leave arfcom for a month and half and this is what I come back to? A FUCKING SAM-GOD DAMN R THREAD! DAMN YOU!!!! Where do I send my money to get my god damn hard to fucking find SAM-FUCKING R parts? Cause I can tell ya right now.... These will be more difficult to find than any of the other damn clone parts.
BTW, you have a good set going there Well let me be the voice of reason. The Mk12 Mod 1 and SAM-R are so fricking similar, it seems redundant to me. What you need, is a BHD 723 build. But since you're getting all crazy... can we get a pic of your Mk12 MOd 1? Lol, Mk12 Mod 1 and Mk12 Mod 0 had a baby, and named her SAM-R. There's nothing mod0 about the SAM-R. Maybe that they both use a flip up front sight GB. If anything, I think Sam would be mod1's taller, neglected brother....mod1 definitely was the golden child. If the 1 and 0 had children, they would definitely be the seal recce rifle and ModH. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 5:52:47 PM EDT
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OK, so the SAM-R is the adopted child and the SDM-R is the family dog.
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Posted: 8/30/2015 5:55:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
There's nothing mod0 about the SAM-R. Maybe that they both use a flip up front sight GB. If anything, I think Sam would be mod1's taller, neglected brother....mod1 definitely was the golden child. If the 1 and 0 had children, they would definitely be the seal recce rifle and ModH. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By JeredMD:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Progress thus far. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/vYT4Kr" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/380/19678033371_37846693f2_o.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/wbSeS9" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3749/19813670240_9091f70d88_o.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/vPfn3u" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3737/19569023940_a6690576ed_o.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/vCkqZg" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/505/19445531313_a3f1e9de9c_o.jpg</a> Barrel and gas block are en route to ADCO for pinning. Optics and a few small parts are still needed. First I build a Mk12 Mod 1 that took me 5 yrs to build, which along the way i built a M16A4 clone, M4A1 Sopmod clone and finally a M4A1 Block II clone..... Now I basically sold all my shit besides my mk12 mod 1 cause it was my favorite for suppressors and a bow... I leave arfcom for a month and half and this is what I come back to? A FUCKING SAM-GOD DAMN R THREAD! DAMN YOU!!!! Where do I send my money to get my god damn hard to fucking find SAM-FUCKING R parts? Cause I can tell ya right now.... These will be more difficult to find than any of the other damn clone parts.
BTW, you have a good set going there Well let me be the voice of reason. The Mk12 Mod 1 and SAM-R are so fricking similar, it seems redundant to me. What you need, is a BHD 723 build. But since you're getting all crazy... can we get a pic of your Mk12 MOd 1? Lol, Mk12 Mod 1 and Mk12 Mod 0 had a baby, and named her SAM-R. There's nothing mod0 about the SAM-R. Maybe that they both use a flip up front sight GB. If anything, I think Sam would be mod1's taller, neglected brother....mod1 definitely was the golden child. If the 1 and 0 had children, they would definitely be the seal recce rifle and ModH. Yes, I was referring to the gas block on the mod 0 side of the joke. |
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Posted: 8/30/2015 6:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
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I thought it worked. I think Davey is losing his marbles..... adjustable (or I guess better said flippy) sight on gas block.... rifle gas system...... flat top upper receiver...... better trigger (i think)........ and more.... there is some dna handed down.
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Posted: 8/30/2015 11:48:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2015 12:05:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stickman:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/ef8f545a716646c44a59a102ac4cd1d4/tumblr_ntxh46Kisb1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg Gorgeous. 
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Posted: 8/31/2015 12:59:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecurityForcesmember:
Gorgeous. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecurityForcesmember:
Originally Posted By Stickman:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/ef8f545a716646c44a59a102ac4cd1d4/tumblr_ntxh46Kisb1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg Gorgeous. Very. Spec's please? |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 7:57:10 PM EDT
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What gas tube do I need to use? Right now I have a NM type gas tube. Will that work or do I need a standard rifle length gas tube?
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:00:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaTacoma:
What gas tube do I need to use? Right now I have a NM type gas tube. Will that work or do I need a standard rifle length gas tube? Most likely standard rifle length. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:05:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaTacoma:
What gas tube do I need to use? Right now I have a NM type gas tube. Will that work or do I need a standard rifle length gas tube? Either will work but standard rifle length is the correct one. Have you decided on a barrel yet? |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:15:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Gas blocks and barrels are all drilled together as a matched pair. It would actually make the job harder to use a pre-drilled gas block to drill the barrel's taper pins. I did it myself on my RO727, and it was a pain in the dick. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Wait a minute..... So this $460 gas block doesn't even come with the holes drilled to mount it???!!! Now you gotta pay somebody more money to correctly drill the holes before you can use it. WTF!! Stupid SAM-R. Gas blocks and barrels are all drilled together as a matched pair. It would actually make the job harder to use a pre-drilled gas block to drill the barrel's taper pins. I did it myself on my RO727, and it was a pain in the dick. So are you referring to the cuts in the barrel for the gas block? Cause I have those already. I'm gonna be fuckin pissed after searching and spending all that $$$$$ then having to do that shit |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:19:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
So are you referring to the cuts in the barrel for the gas block? Cause I have those already. I'm gonna be fuckin pissed after searching and spending all that $$$$$ then having to do that shit Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
Wait a minute..... So this $460 gas block doesn't even come with the holes drilled to mount it???!!! Now you gotta pay somebody more money to correctly drill the holes before you can use it. WTF!! Stupid SAM-R. Gas blocks and barrels are all drilled together as a matched pair. It would actually make the job harder to use a pre-drilled gas block to drill the barrel's taper pins. I did it myself on my RO727, and it was a pain in the dick. So are you referring to the cuts in the barrel for the gas block? Cause I have those already. I'm gonna be fuckin pissed after searching and spending all that $$$$$ then having to do that shit I was just talking about the taper pin holes in the barrel. If your barrel already has this, I messaged ADCO and they said they can match an UNdrilled gas block to an already drilled barrel, if that's what your situation is? |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:28:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy: So are you referring to the cuts in the barrel for the gas block? Cause I have those already. I'm gonna be fuckin pissed after searching and spending all that $$$$$ then having to do that shit Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy: Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy: Wait a minute..... So this $460 gas block doesn't even come with the holes drilled to mount it???!!! Now you gotta pay somebody more money to correctly drill the holes before you can use it. WTF!! Stupid SAM-R. Gas blocks and barrels are all drilled together as a matched pair. It would actually make the job harder to use a pre-drilled gas block to drill the barrel's taper pins. I did it myself on my RO727, and it was a pain in the dick. So are you referring to the cuts in the barrel for the gas block? Cause I have those already. I'm gonna be fuckin pissed after searching and spending all that $$$$$ then having to do that shit |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:15:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mxdgood84:
Either will work but standard rifle length is the correct one. Have you decided on a barrel yet? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mxdgood84:
Originally Posted By GaTacoma:
What gas tube do I need to use? Right now I have a NM type gas tube. Will that work or do I need a standard rifle length gas tube? Either will work but standard rifle length is the correct one. Have you decided on a barrel yet? I'm going with barrel that came on my RRA NM A4. Its a SS Wilson 1/8 SS. I'll see how it shoots before deciding if I want to swap it. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:33:11 PM EDT
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I predict it shoots really well.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Krieger/Criterion <a href="https://flic.kr/p/wZ6qBV" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/324/20336801691_0cc675cfbe_o.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By schaz42:
Gotcha, when I was doing my SAM-R build I had Compass Lake do the barrel so they pinned it for me. What barrel y'all using on your builds? William <a href="https://flic.kr/p/wZ6qBV" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/324/20336801691_0cc675cfbe_o.jpg</a> Can I ask where you got your barrel? I have everything except the barrel for an SAM-R and I really need some recommendations. I am a big fan of Krieger. What about BCM's stainless barrels? Anyone ever use one for an SAM-R build? Thanks! |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:10:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vugger: Can I ask where you got your barrel? I have everything except the barrel for an SAM-R and I really need some recommendations. I am a big fan of Krieger. What about BCM's stainless barrels? Anyone ever use one for an SAM-R build? Thanks! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vugger: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By schaz42: Gotcha, when I was doing my SAM-R build I had Compass Lake do the barrel so they pinned it for me. What barrel y'all using on your builds? William <a href="https://flic.kr/p/wZ6qBV" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/324/20336801691_0cc675cfbe_o.jpg</a> Can I ask where you got your barrel? I have everything except the barrel for an SAM-R and I really need some recommendations. I am a big fan of Krieger. What about BCM's stainless barrels? Anyone ever use one for an SAM-R build? Thanks! I have an 18" 1/8 BCM SS410 that shoots lights out, so I imagine their SAM-R barrels would as well. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:23:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Fulton Armory can get you taken care of. I have an 18" 1/8 BCM SS410 that shoots lights out, so I imagine their SAM-R barrels would as well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By vugger:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By schaz42:
Gotcha, when I was doing my SAM-R build I had Compass Lake do the barrel so they pinned it for me. What barrel y'all using on your builds? William <a href="https://flic.kr/p/wZ6qBV" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/324/20336801691_0cc675cfbe_o.jpg</a> Can I ask where you got your barrel? I have everything except the barrel for an SAM-R and I really need some recommendations. I am a big fan of Krieger. What about BCM's stainless barrels? Anyone ever use one for an SAM-R build? Thanks! I have an 18" 1/8 BCM SS410 that shoots lights out, so I imagine their SAM-R barrels would as well. You make my wallet want to cry Wheelman lol I think imma start with getting a Colt AR15 A4 and going with a DD rail for it if I can find one. Then get me a barrel all while trying to find this god damn unicorn sperm of a KAC front sight..... Then imma also keep an eye out for another KAC FF rail, hopefully they come back in stock long enough for me to get one. I am not spending 500 bucks on that one in the EE. Guy is on crack! What lower was used on the SAM-R? I was the type of person that got the correct lower from Nodak for my Mk12 mod 1. Im just that kinda guy. 
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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:28:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stickman:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/ef8f545a716646c44a59a102ac4cd1d4/tumblr_ntxh46Kisb1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg I hate you. That rifle is orgasmic and now it forces me to look for a DD rail so I can make one. I hate you! Your rifle is beautiful!!!! |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 8:33:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeredMD: You make my wallet want to cry Wheelman lol I think imma start with getting a Colt AR15 A4 and going with a DD rail for it if I can find one. Then get me a barrel all while trying to find this god damn unicorn sperm of a KAC front sight..... Then imma also keep an eye out for another KAC FF rail, hopefully they come back in stock long enough for me to get one. I am not spending 500 bucks on that one in the EE. Guy is on crack! What lower was used on the SAM-R? I was the type of person that got the correct lower from Nodak for my Mk12 mod 1. Im just that kinda guy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeredMD: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Fulton Armory can get you taken care of. I have an 18" 1/8 BCM SS410 that shoots lights out, so I imagine their SAM-R barrels would as well. You make my wallet want to cry Wheelman lol I think imma start with getting a Colt AR15 A4 and going with a DD rail for it if I can find one. Then get me a barrel all while trying to find this god damn unicorn sperm of a KAC front sight..... Then imma also keep an eye out for another KAC FF rail, hopefully they come back in stock long enough for me to get one. I am not spending 500 bucks on that one in the EE. Guy is on crack! What lower was used on the SAM-R? I was the type of person that got the correct lower from Nodak for my Mk12 mod 1. Im just that kinda guy. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:12:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeredMD:
I hate you. That rifle is orgasmic and now it forces me to look for a DD rail so I can make one. I hate you! Your rifle is beautiful!!!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeredMD:
Originally Posted By Stickman:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/ef8f545a716646c44a59a102ac4cd1d4/tumblr_ntxh46Kisb1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg I hate you. That rifle is orgasmic and now it forces me to look for a DD rail so I can make one. I hate you! Your rifle is beautiful!!!! I think that's actually a LaRue rail. Isn't it? I could be wrong though.... I was trying to figure it out myself after he posted it. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:45:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
I think that's actually a LaRue rail. Isn't it? I could be wrong though.... I was trying to figure it out myself after he posted it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By JeredMD:
Originally Posted By Stickman:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/ef8f545a716646c44a59a102ac4cd1d4/tumblr_ntxh46Kisb1rrcg2fo1_1280.jpg I hate you. That rifle is orgasmic and now it forces me to look for a DD rail so I can make one. I hate you! Your rifle is beautiful!!!! I think that's actually a LaRue rail. Isn't it? I could be wrong though.... I was trying to figure it out myself after he posted it. Daniel Defense 12 inch. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:55:10 PM EDT
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Plucked from an old thread:
From the Jouster site by the original SAM-R designer (retired Marine Gunner Ken Davis):
Re: Squad Designated Marksman Rifle Posted By: Ken Davis <Send E-Mail> Date: Friday, 16 February 2007, at 8:52 am In Response To: Squad Designated Marksman Rifle (LeagleEagle) In the Gun Byers Annual Presents #47 Special Weapons for Military and Police 2007 magazine, there is an article on page 30 of the Army’s SDM-R written by Charlie Cutshaw. Since he filled several pages with somewhat factual information, I didn’t get through the entire article because the opening picture has the weapons system with bayonet mounted, something that is never done with this type of rifle and I rapidly lost interest. The sample provided in the article is made by DPMS so you may want to check their web site for info on it. I can tell you much about the Marines SAMR (Squad Advance Marksman Rifle) that was alluded to in the article. Since I was the original designer of it back in 1996, it has changed very little in the last ten years and has proven to be an incredibly successful weapons system. The basic platform is a standard M16A2 lower with an M4 flat-top upper. The feed dynamics of the M4 upper are superior to the A4 upper. The barrel is a 1 x 7 Krieger stainless barrel procured from Compass Lake as a set; barrel, bolt, and barrel extension. Compass Lake does the chambering (NATO) and headspaces the bolt to it. Contrary to the article, the barrels are blued at the PWS shop; however, the finish is not very durable and wears easily so the majority of the existing SAMR’s look like they have unfinished barrels. The rail system is the KAS RAS, a big mistake because it works loose and several have been reported broken. We had to modify the rail locking nut with a set screw to keep it in place. If I was to do it again, I would use the Larue Tactical 13.2 inch rail system as it locks solidly in place and completely covers the gas tube. The front sight is a standard flip-up that is integral to the gas block. The bipod is a Harris swivel bench rest model with Pod-Lok. We built the SAMR the same as the NM M16A2’s meaning the rifle is set up using the same exacting standards we used in building the NM guns. Utilizing MK 262, we were getting sub-minute groups out to 800 yards. Ken Davis |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:58:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sinister:
Plucked from an old thread: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sinister:
Plucked from an old thread: From the Jouster site by the original SAM-R designer (retired Marine Gunner Ken Davis):
Re: Squad Designated Marksman Rifle Posted By: Ken Davis <Send E-Mail> Date: Friday, 16 February 2007, at 8:52 am In Response To: Squad Designated Marksman Rifle (LeagleEagle) In the Gun Byers Annual Presents #47 Special Weapons for Military and Police 2007 magazine, there is an article on page 30 of the Army’s SDM-R written by Charlie Cutshaw. Since he filled several pages with somewhat factual information, I didn’t get through the entire article because the opening picture has the weapons system with bayonet mounted, something that is never done with this type of rifle and I rapidly lost interest. The sample provided in the article is made by DPMS so you may want to check their web site for info on it. I can tell you much about the Marines SAMR (Squad Advance Marksman Rifle) that was alluded to in the article. Since I was the original designer of it back in 1996, it has changed very little in the last ten years and has proven to be an incredibly successful weapons system. The basic platform is a standard M16A2 lower with an M4 flat-top upper. The feed dynamics of the M4 upper are superior to the A4 upper. The barrel is a 1 x 7 Krieger stainless barrel procured from Compass Lake as a set; barrel, bolt, and barrel extension. Compass Lake does the chambering (NATO) and headspaces the bolt to it. Contrary to the article, the barrels are blued at the PWS shop; however, the finish is not very durable and wears easily so the majority of the existing SAMR’s look like they have unfinished barrels. The rail system is the KAS RAS, a big mistake because it works loose and several have been reported broken. We had to modify the rail locking nut with a set screw to keep it in place. If I was to do it again, I would use the Larue Tactical 13.2 inch rail system as it locks solidly in place and completely covers the gas tube. The front sight is a standard flip-up that is integral to the gas block. The bipod is a Harris swivel bench rest model with Pod-Lok. We built the SAMR the same as the NM M16A2’s meaning the rifle is set up using the same exacting standards we used in building the NM guns. Utilizing MK 262, we were getting sub-minute groups out to 800 yards. Ken Davis Very interesting on the bold part. This is the first I've heard of it being an issue on the FF RAS |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:10:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Very interesting on the bold part. This is the first I've heard of it being an issue on the FF RAS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By Sinister:
Plucked from an old thread: From the Jouster site by the original SAM-R designer (retired Marine Gunner Ken Davis):
Re: Squad Designated Marksman Rifle Posted By: Ken Davis <Send E-Mail> Date: Friday, 16 February 2007, at 8:52 am In Response To: Squad Designated Marksman Rifle (LeagleEagle) In the Gun Byers Annual Presents #47 Special Weapons for Military and Police 2007 magazine, there is an article on page 30 of the Army’s SDM-R written by Charlie Cutshaw. Since he filled several pages with somewhat factual information, I didn’t get through the entire article because the opening picture has the weapons system with bayonet mounted, something that is never done with this type of rifle and I rapidly lost interest. The sample provided in the article is made by DPMS so you may want to check their web site for info on it. I can tell you much about the Marines SAMR (Squad Advance Marksman Rifle) that was alluded to in the article. Since I was the original designer of it back in 1996, it has changed very little in the last ten years and has proven to be an incredibly successful weapons system. The basic platform is a standard M16A2 lower with an M4 flat-top upper. The feed dynamics of the M4 upper are superior to the A4 upper. The barrel is a 1 x 7 Krieger stainless barrel procured from Compass Lake as a set; barrel, bolt, and barrel extension. Compass Lake does the chambering (NATO) and headspaces the bolt to it. Contrary to the article, the barrels are blued at the PWS shop; however, the finish is not very durable and wears easily so the majority of the existing SAMR’s look like they have unfinished barrels. The rail system is the KAS RAS, a big mistake because it works loose and several have been reported broken. We had to modify the rail locking nut with a set screw to keep it in place. If I was to do it again, I would use the Larue Tactical 13.2 inch rail system as it locks solidly in place and completely covers the gas tube. The front sight is a standard flip-up that is integral to the gas block. The bipod is a Harris swivel bench rest model with Pod-Lok. We built the SAMR the same as the NM M16A2’s meaning the rifle is set up using the same exacting standards we used in building the NM guns. Utilizing MK 262, we were getting sub-minute groups out to 800 yards. Ken Davis Very interesting on the bold part. This is the first I've heard of it being an issue on the FF RAS CWO5 Davis was heavily involved as 2120 Ordnance Officer, not as a 0306 infantry weapons officer, aka Gunner |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 4:54:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Very interesting on the bold part. This is the first I've heard of it being an issue on the FF RAS People break anything and everything, I don't read much into that. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 5:09:52 PM EDT
[#34]
Yeah, I believe him 100 percent, It was just the first ive heard of it being an issue. I'd take that man's word on the subject over mine any day. Me no SAM-R expert.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 6:26:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: Yeah, I believe him 100 percent, It was just the first ive heard of it being an issue. I'd take that man's word on the subject over mine any day. Me no SAM-R expert. |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 7:41:48 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M249_junky:
Wasn't there some thread where mark larue was going off about the same thing? I can't see anyone building a clone having this problem. Clones don't tend to get the same abuse that the issued rifles do. Even still if this was that big of a problem I can't see why they would have kept using them on all those MK12 MOD1's Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M249_junky:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Yeah, I believe him 100 percent, It was just the first ive heard of it being an issue. I'd take that man's word on the subject over mine any day. Me no SAM-R expert. Probably available supply. Remember, the Mod 1 was added around 2002-2004, which I believe was pre-LaRue rails and the ball was already rolling on the Mod 1. The KAC rail came about thanks to a parts shortage with PRI revising their handguards and FSBs, thus leaving Mk12s needing to be finished to meet demands. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 2:28:42 PM EDT
[#37]
As temped as I am... I will not pretend to have the correct FSGB by using a visually similar one. In the end, I will have the correct part. So if one does purchase say an ARMS or PRI or something of the sort for around $200, then someday find the correct one for $460....now one would be spending close to $700 on a front sight for this gun. I painted a low pro from CLE with Alumahide flat black, and will rock this till my unicorn hunting pays off. Also will swap the trigger guard for a regular mil-spec, waiting on the Ambi bolt release. Though not 100? correct, I may go with a NXS. I can't spend the $$ twice for the same scope.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 2:47:19 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
As temped as I am... I will not pretend to have the correct FSGB by using a visually similar one. In the end, I will have the correct part. So if one does purchase say an ARMS or PRI or something of the sort for around $200, then someday find the correct one for $460....now one would be spending close to $700 on a front sight for this gun. I painted a low pro from CLE with Alumahide flat black, and will rock this till my unicorn hunting pays off. Also will swap the trigger guard for a regular mil-spec, waiting on the Ambi bolt release. Though not 100? correct, I may go with a NXS. I can't spend the $$ twice for the same scope.http:// <a href=http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww245/Davey_Sickboy/IMG_20150902_140827335_HDR-01_zpsm3ewgvox.jpeg</a>" /> Solid start. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 3:25:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy: As temped as I am... I will not pretend to have the correct FSGB by using a visually similar one. In the end, I will have the correct part. So if one does purchase say an ARMS or PRI or something of the sort for around $200, then someday find the correct one for $460....now one would be spending close to $700 on a front sight for this gun. I painted a low pro from CLE with Alumahide flat black, and will rock this till my unicorn hunting pays off. Also will swap the trigger guard for a regular mil-spec, waiting on the Ambi bolt release. Though not 100? correct, I may go with a NXS. I can't spend the $$ twice for the same scope.  |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 4:38:26 PM EDT
[#40]
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 4:45:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
You mean mag release, right? <a href="https://flic.kr/p/xuQG8z" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5645/20673422071_deddf86321_o.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
As temped as I am... I will not pretend to have the correct FSGB by using a visually similar one. In the end, I will have the correct part. So if one does purchase say an ARMS or PRI or something of the sort for around $200, then someday find the correct one for $460....now one would be spending close to $700 on a front sight for this gun. I painted a low pro from CLE with Alumahide flat black, and will rock this till my unicorn hunting pays off. Also will swap the trigger guard for a regular mil-spec, waiting on the Ambi bolt release. Though not 100? correct, I may go with a NXS. I can't spend the $$ twice for the same scope. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/xuQG8z" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5645/20673422071_deddf86321_o.jpg</a> Lol....yea the Norgon. You know what I meant. So jelly bro, absolutely beautiful rifle you got there. You must be like a proud parent. I know I am with my Mod1 and other clones |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:07:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jcrowl]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Very interesting on the bold part. This is the first I've heard of it being an issue on the FF RAS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By Sinister:
Plucked from an old thread: From the Jouster site by the original SAM-R designer (retired Marine Gunner Ken Davis):
Re: Squad Designated Marksman Rifle Posted By: Ken Davis <Send E-Mail> Date: Friday, 16 February 2007, at 8:52 am In Response To: Squad Designated Marksman Rifle (LeagleEagle) In the Gun Byers Annual Presents #47 Special Weapons for Military and Police 2007 magazine, there is an article on page 30 of the Army’s SDM-R written by Charlie Cutshaw. Since he filled several pages with somewhat factual information, I didn’t get through the entire article because the opening picture has the weapons system with bayonet mounted, something that is never done with this type of rifle and I rapidly lost interest. The sample provided in the article is made by DPMS so you may want to check their web site for info on it. I can tell you much about the Marines SAMR (Squad Advance Marksman Rifle) that was alluded to in the article. Since I was the original designer of it back in 1996, it has changed very little in the last ten years and has proven to be an incredibly successful weapons system. The basic platform is a standard M16A2 lower with an M4 flat-top upper. The feed dynamics of the M4 upper are superior to the A4 upper. The barrel is a 1 x 7 Krieger stainless barrel procured from Compass Lake as a set; barrel, bolt, and barrel extension. Compass Lake does the chambering (NATO) and headspaces the bolt to it. Contrary to the article, the barrels are blued at the PWS shop; however, the finish is not very durable and wears easily so the majority of the existing SAMR’s look like they have unfinished barrels. The rail system is the KAS RAS, a big mistake because it works loose and several have been reported broken. We had to modify the rail locking nut with a set screw to keep it in place. If I was to do it again, I would use the Larue Tactical 13.2 inch rail system as it locks solidly in place and completely covers the gas tube. The front sight is a standard flip-up that is integral to the gas block. The bipod is a Harris swivel bench rest model with Pod-Lok. We built the SAMR the same as the NM M16A2’s meaning the rifle is set up using the same exacting standards we used in building the NM guns. Utilizing MK 262, we were getting sub-minute groups out to 800 yards. Ken Davis Very interesting on the bold part. This is the first I've heard of it being an issue on the FF RAS That quote brings back memories since I am the "LeagleEagle"" to whom it was addressed on jouster. I did in fact follow his advice and used the Larue rails originally. I later replaced them with the KAC rails when the KAC gas block FSB became available,just for authenticity's sake |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:23:04 PM EDT
[#43]
Here is my SDM-R build as well
Douglas 1/8 stainless barrel with 12 flutes from Compass Lake RRA lower with Geissele DMR trigger set screw FSB DD 12" rail Burris Fullfield II LRS with target turrets 
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Posted: 9/2/2015 6:36:00 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy: Lol....yea the Norgon. You know what I meant. So jelly bro, absolutely beautiful rifle you got there. You must be like a proud parent. I know I am with my Mod1 and other clones Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy: As temped as I am... I will not pretend to have the correct FSGB by using a visually similar one. In the end, I will have the correct part. So if one does purchase say an ARMS or PRI or something of the sort for around $200, then someday find the correct one for $460....now one would be spending close to $700 on a front sight for this gun. I painted a low pro from CLE with Alumahide flat black, and will rock this till my unicorn hunting pays off. Also will swap the trigger guard for a regular mil-spec, waiting on the Ambi bolt release. Though not 100? correct, I may go with a NXS. I can't spend the $$ twice for the same scope. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/xuQG8z" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5645/20673422071_deddf86321_o.jpg</a> Lol....yea the Norgon. You know what I meant. So jelly bro, absolutely beautiful rifle you got there. You must be like a proud parent. I know I am with my Mod1 and other clones Unless 249_junky wants to trade me his sr-25. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:13:47 PM EDT
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I love this configuration. Here's my SDM-Rgery back when it was wearing a TA31F. WOA SDM 1/8 barrel with set screw FSB, milspec non-Colt upper of some flavor, DD M4 rail, Harris on an ARMS mount, and Geiselle DM trigger on an Armalite lower. It is undoubtedly my favorite rifle, and got worlds better when I swapped the ACOG for a NF 2.5-10.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:26:17 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OStateFlyer:
I love this configuration. Here's my SDM-Rgery back when it was wearing a TA31F. WOA SDM 1/8 barrel with set screw FSB, milspec non-Colt upper of some flavor, DD M4 rail, Harris on an ARMS mount, and Geiselle DM trigger on an Armalite lower. It is undoubtedly my favorite rifle, and got worlds better when I swapped the ACOG for a NF 2.5-10. <a href="http://s173.photobucket.com/user/OStateFlyer/media/DSC_1737.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w75/OStateFlyer/DSC_1737.jpg</a> I had an ACOG on mine for a while and liked it, and had no problem hitting 400+ with it. Even had a marine buddy hit a 12" plate at 400 yds cold bore with it. Just like what he was used to shooting during his training. I'm actually struggling a bit with my dope once I put on a scope. Either my load data is off, or I can't do mil-rad math as well as MOA math. But clearly the group sizes have shrunk tremendously. |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:55:01 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OStateFlyer:
I love this configuration. Here's my SDM-Rgery back when it was wearing a TA31F. WOA SDM 1/8 barrel with set screw FSB, milspec non-Colt upper of some flavor, DD M4 rail, Harris on an ARMS mount, and Geiselle DM trigger on an Armalite lower. It is undoubtedly my favorite rifle, and got worlds better when I swapped the ACOG for a NF 2.5-10. <a href="http://s173.photobucket.com/user/OStateFlyer/media/DSC_1737.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w75/OStateFlyer/DSC_1737.jpg</a> Super nice. Can we see it with the scope on it? |
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Posted: 9/3/2015 12:28:25 AM EDT
[#48]
Here you go. NF 2.5-10x32 in a Larue SPR mount. Also popped a Matech on it, because why not. I like clones a lot.
Regarding the change in optics, I find the bigger scope is like cheating. Dial it in and hit, particularly with 77gr OTMs. it is a favorite to put new shooters behind and give them confidence when they easily ring steel at 500 yards. The ACOG is certainly no slouch, but it takes some work and practice with the 4x, particularly if it isn't a load that matches the BDC well. 
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Posted: 9/3/2015 1:23:14 AM EDT
[#49]
Super nice!!!! It's funny because I haven't seen anyone use a sling like that in a long time and now in the last few days I've seen a couple of them. It came up in the A2 forum too. Old skool.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 8:19:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Super nice!!!! It's funny because I haven't seen anyone use a sling like that in a long time and now in the last few days I've seen a couple of them. It came up in the A2 forum too. Old skool. Great slings if you're shooting unsupported vs just lugging the rifle around. I swap it with a 3-point when I hunt with it. For SDM-R clones, I believe the Garand web slings are also 'correct' for stateside use of these rifles at the AMU SDM course. |
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