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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2024 9:40:07 PM EDT
I’ve gotta admit, from about 2010-2020, I was up to speed with the AR trends. From 2020 on, I got heavily involved in PRS and competitive bolt rifle shooting, and haven’t kept up to date on a lot of the gas gun stuff. WOW, have things changed in just a few years. Checking in on the forums, trends and gear have sped up light years in just a couple years. I still use a Colt EPR 11.5 for duty, and get a lot of trigger time, but the civilian market these days just has so much new shit.
I had a bcm recce 14 (mcmr rail/elw barrel), with an A5 buffer system, OKW 18650, and razor Gen 2E and thought my setup was relatively up to speed. Now I’m looking at some of the stuff on the market and I feel like I have a 10 year old MacBook. How dated is my setup at this point ? |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 9:46:49 PM EDT
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I’d say you’re still ahead of the curve.
Economy of scale is the name of the game now, and it’s leveled the playing field. A good shooting rifle is still a good shooter, and this from a guy who thinks hits at 500 with a carry handle are the measure of success. My 0.02. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2024 10:41:03 PM EDT
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A good majority of all the trends are pretty dumb. Most stem from guntoobers starved for content so they fixate on some oddball thing and tout it as the greatest thing ever.
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Posted: 4/13/2024 10:50:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HDSledge]
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When I look into my clothes closet I see outdated. When I look into my gun safe I see gear that never gets outdated. About the only thing I have upgraded to new tech lately is earpro and optics. If you have a solid platform that gets the job done I don't see a need to upgrade. Maybe optics. Unless someone comes up with something incredibly innovative and desirable I'm sticking with my setup. It is definitely time to clean out my clothes closet though.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:12:13 PM EDT
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People are still fighting wars with M16a1s.
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:18:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JerseyRaised: ....market these days just has so much new shit. Exactly a whole lotta shit. Most of it way overpriced. And I'm far from a luddite. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2024 11:26:26 PM EDT
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11.5"?
You were already ahead of the game. Cheaper stuff now is better than cheaper stuff back then. Good is always good. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 3:13:01 AM EDT
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My 10yrs old MacBook still works.. just like my MP44
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 9:54:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 19Charlie_84: A good majority of all the trends are pretty dumb. Most stem from guntoobers starved for content so they fixate on some oddball thing and tout it as the greatest thing ever. Couldn't agree more. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 11:13:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: hydrostatic_cling]
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So long as you have reliable hardpoints for mounting lasers, lights, and quality optics like a red dot or magnified optic of some sort, and provision to accept a suppressor, it’s all fine. I can still so that with a Block I M4 setup, and the only thing I’ve had issues with are lack of continuous top rail for clipon use. High quality components are simply more available now.
The only stuff I would call antiquated are government profile barrels, non-free float rails, and fixed iron sights like carry handles. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 3:24:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HDSledge]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hydrostatic_cling: The only stuff I would call antiquated are government profile barrels, non-free float rails, and fixed iron sights like carry handles. Agreed but I like the carry handle sight and wouldn't call it antiquated, just basic equipment, not cool or new tech, but necessary. I grew up and learned how to hit what I wanted to with fixed iron sights. We have all sorts of choices now but my brain is wired for the notch/post or peep sight picture. I use optics now but co-witness all things. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 4:29:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
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Originally Posted By JerseyRaised: I had a bcm recce 14 (mcmr rail/elw barrel), with an A5 buffer system, OKW 18650, and razor Gen 2E and thought my setup was relatively up to speed. Now I’m looking at some of the stuff on the market and I feel like I have a 10 year old MacBook. How dated is my setup at this point ? I’d say you’re still ahead of the curve with that setup. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 4:38:10 PM EDT
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Your set up is in no way antiquated. It's a solid set up. Be proud of it and run the shit out of it
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Posted: 4/14/2024 5:39:55 PM EDT
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Picture off setup?
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NE, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 5:52:09 PM EDT
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Sounds to me like you have a great setup OP. Like others have said, maybe upgrade an optic but,truthfully, what you have is pretty darned good.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:51:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: I'd say you're still ahead of the curve with that setup. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 6:57:49 PM EDT
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OP, you’re good…buy more ammo and shoot a lot more.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:40:24 PM EDT
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I can’t post photos on this site, not sure why.
My two rifle that are nearly clones minus the optics and triggers. 14.5 Bcm ELW middies w/ mcmr 13. Aero Gen 2 stripped lowers Bcm LPK VLTOR A5 buffer systems Bcm gunfighter comps Gunfighter grip Geissele posi snaps ambi safeties One has a razor Gen 2 on adm recon mount, modlite okw, and geissele g2s, and Bcm Sopmod stock. The other has a gunfighter (original) stock, Bcm pnt, modlite plhv2 and aimpoint t2 on adm mount. I’m a big fan of rifles that work in a system, I like them to have a similar feel. So they are “clones”, minus the optic (and obviously with change of optic comes small changes like a more precision trigger with lpvo and modlite head for more distance). I also have a Colt 6920 that’s kind of block 2 inspired. Aimpoint comp m4, centurion 12” c4 FSP, and surefire m600 scout. It’s looks like my block 2 I deployed with from 10 feet away. Rattle canned camo. It’s a heavy pig but super reliable . I do shoot them all ALOT, I just haven’t stayed super up to date on the new trends and new equipment out there. PRS rifles have taken up the vast majority of my hobby “brain space “ lately. I’m looking at all these geissele rails and FCD ambi lowers and I’m starting to get jealous now. |
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:52:06 PM EDT
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I like the old stuff better. Quads for life, I hate mlok.
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:42:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fullmedaljacket8: I like the old stuff better. Quads for life, I hate mlok. Why the mlok hate? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 10:48:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fullmedaljacket8: I like the old stuff better. Quads for life, I hate mlok. Fixed picatinny rails for sure over Keymod or M-LOK... But even better still are plain old A1 and A2 handguards. 
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:27:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2024 12:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DefenderAO: Why the mlok hate? Because I’m lazy and switch my stuff around. I despise attaching mlok accessories. |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2024 12:54:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tiger222: If your set up is out dated, then what is mine? ;) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61015/322FA8B4-4C8F-4E37-9B66-67B08A1DD38E_jpe-3190312.JPG That is a nice rifle |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2024 1:10:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JerseyRaised: I can’t post photos on this site, not sure why. My two rifle that are nearly clones minus the optics and triggers. 14.5 Bcm ELW middies w/ mcmr 13. Aero Gen 2 stripped lowers Bcm LPK VLTOR A5 buffer systems Bcm gunfighter comps Gunfighter grip Geissele posi snaps ambi safeties One has a razor Gen 2 on adm recon mount, modlite okw, and geissele g2s, and Bcm Sopmod stock. The other has a gunfighter (original) stock, Bcm pnt, modlite plhv2 and aimpoint t2 on adm mount. I’m a big fan of rifles that work in a system, I like them to have a similar feel. So they are “clones”, minus the optic (and obviously with change of optic comes small changes like a more precision trigger with lpvo and modlite head for more distance). I also have a Colt 6920 that’s kind of block 2 inspired. Aimpoint comp m4, centurion 12” c4 FSP, and surefire m600 scout. It’s looks like my block 2 I deployed with from 10 feet away. Rattle canned camo. It’s a heavy pig but super reliable . I do shoot them all ALOT, I just haven’t stayed super up to date on the new trends and new equipment out there. PRS rifles have taken up the vast majority of my hobby “brain space “ lately. I’m looking at all these geissele rails and FCD ambi lowers and I’m starting to get jealous now. The only thing I'd say is decidedly "outdated" (meaning I wouldn't purchase it new now because I believe current stuff performs better) is carbine gas on a 16" barrel/fixed FSP. Everything else is on the market now/just another choice that is perfectly competitive with everything that is on the market now. 2020 wasn't all that long ago. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 2:59:59 PM EDT
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GWOT was the peak
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:44:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CharlesUFina: That is a nice rifle Thanks 👍🏼 |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:08:51 AM EDT
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Just because something is old, or older, does not mean it is outdated. If it worked then, it will work now. The retail market spurs innovation, which drives sales of new stuff. But that does not mean the old stuff just magically stops working. If it works for you, then you're good to go.
We were just discussing duty ammo. One local agency used Winchester Ballistic Silver Tip 55 grain ammo. They had a number of shootings and it preformed very well. Then something new came along and they had to change. Not because the old stuff stopped working, but because someone convinced them newer was better. Guess what? The 55 grain ST still works just fine. If you want to upgrade fine. Do it if you want to. Maybe you'll find something you like better. Maybe not. Don't be in a hurry to dump a proven system because the market, and or the internet, tells you it is outdated. |
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DEU
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:23:16 AM EDT
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I hvae seen far too many guys with high-speed gadgets being outshot at the range by skilled shooters with "outdated" guns ...
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:23:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunslinger-Mike: I hvae seen far too many guys with high-speed gadgets being outshot at the range by skilled shooters with "outdated" guns ... True for anything really. Gear doesn't increase your skill at something. Only serious practice/training and sometimes just having a natural talent will make you better at something. I see some insanely talented guys that drum better on a bucket than some guys that have the fanciest of drum kits with all the gear... So can someone using only iron sights outshoot a gear queer? Sure can. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:58:43 PM EDT
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I started paying attention to stuff after not having done so for 8 years and I feel like not much has changed. It's still just ARs with tube handguards. Optics are higher mounted now, that's about it.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:08:15 PM EDT
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Nothing really has changed.
Just Op8rs trying to make crash grabs on niche items like they are like are gonna revolutionize the industry. And LOTS of reinventing the wheel with stuff. Scott |
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