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MT, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2024 3:20:14 PM EDT
Just looked at Primary Arms new product announcement page and they've got the PlXC in SFP with the BRIGHT Nova reticle. And it is slightly lighter and shorter than the original FFP version. This the optic that finally outdoes the Razor 1-6e??
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2024 3:35:25 PM EDT
[#1]
Street value?
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2024 3:43:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Just10mm]
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s4s4u: Street value? They don’t do MSRP as they are the manufacturer. I would bet on it being $ 1500 like the current PLxC scopes. This should be an amazing scope, I will be preordering as soon as they are available. |
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Posted: 1/19/2024 4:01:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hoody2shoez]
[#3]
I was hoping for Diffraction/diffusion/whatever it's called like the atacr/nx8 use... but this seems solid for the sfp peeps
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Posted: 1/19/2024 4:11:57 PM EDT
[#4]
Based on how good my SLX Nova is, this is going to be awesome.
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Posted: 1/19/2024 4:22:28 PM EDT
[#5]
I think this is a good move for them going from SLX to platinum glass, although I think there will be some disappointment that this isn't a FFP scope like their current Compact.
I'm guessing they'll continue to sell that model as well. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2024 5:15:09 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: I think this is a good move for them going from SLX to platinum glass, although I think there will be some disappointment that this isn't a FFP scope like their current Compact. I'm guessing they'll continue to sell that model as well. Meh. FFP doesn't have much value in a 1-6, and can be a detriment if they F up the reticle, which most seem to do. |
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Posted: 1/19/2024 5:21:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PacNW5]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s4s4u: Meh. FFP doesn't have much value in a 1-6, and can be a detriment if they F up the reticle, which most seem to do. Yes in a 1-6 but their PLx scope is 1-8 |
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Posted: 1/19/2024 5:24:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: I think this is a good move for them going from SLX to platinum glass, although I think there will be some disappointment that this isn't a FFP scope like their current Compact. I'm guessing they'll continue to sell that model as well. Outside of reticles designed for FFP LPVOs, like Nighforce's FC-DMx, FFP is a gimmick. You're not going to see the hash marks to do hold overs at lower magnification. If you're going to do hold overs it's at maximum power. |
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Posted: 1/19/2024 5:30:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PacNW5]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhon: Outside of reticles designed for FFP LPVOs, like Nighforce's FC-DMx, FFP is a gimmick. You're not going to see the hash marks to do hold overs at lower magnification. If you're going to do hold overs it's at maximum power. Yes for 6x, a SFP works better. Once I get to 8-10x, I like having an FFP because you lose FOV at the higher powers. For 300-400 yd targets, ideally, I only want 6x and spin up to 8x for anything longer. I’m shooting a K18i now so I’m well versed on SFP 1-8 optics but prefer FFP once it gets to that magnification. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2024 7:29:39 PM EDT
[#10]
Dang, I am so proud of the fact that I am from Houston, TX. Great job PA!
Vortex and Leupold are still 😴. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2024 7:31:38 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Just10mm: They don’t do MSRP as they are the manufacturer. I would bet on it being $ 1500 like the current PLxC scopes. This should be an amazing scope, I will be preordering as soon as they are available. Like the FFP, it will probably be around 1200-1300 after the dust settles. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2024 7:40:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Just10mm]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15ken: Like the FFP, it will probably be around 1200-1300 after the dust settles. I wouldn't count on it, the PLxC’s have not gone on any sales and the coupon codes never work for them. As hot as these are going to be I don’t see the price going lower, hopefully Im wrong.  * unless you are .mil or a first responder, I think they have a pretty generous program for those folks. |
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Posted: 1/19/2024 7:45:17 PM EDT
[#13]
Im more excited about the GLX Microprism. Hopefully a 3x will follow
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Posted: 1/19/2024 7:48:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#14]
Edit: Disregard, thought I saw this was FFP.
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USA
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Posted: 1/19/2024 7:52:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Switchback_Arms]
[#15]
I'm interested!
My Razor is a pig |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2024 8:08:00 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Yes in a 1-6 but their PLx scope is 1-8 I guess I was making reference to the 1-6 comparison in the previous post. But yea, I can begin to see it at 8x. I can't make out reticle data until about 6x anyway, but it might be useful with more mag. The thing is, when I get above 6x I want to increase the lower power as well as the larger objective of a 2-10. But, I can see a 1-8 as a good compromise. Maybe will have to go look through one in the "dark" and see how much light is lost compared to a 40mm objective. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2024 11:31:00 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: Im more excited about the GLX Microprism. Hopefully a 3x will follow I was really hoping they would release a 3-5x full size glx with all the typical PA prism features and integrated forward positioned 12oclock rds mount. |
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Posted: 1/20/2024 1:31:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Just10mm: I wouldn't count on it, the PLxC’s have not gone on any sales and the coupon codes never work for them. As hot as these are going to be I don’t see the price going lower, hopefully Im wrong. * unless you are .mil or a first responder, I think they have a pretty generous program for those folks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Just10mm: Originally Posted By ar15ken: Like the FFP, it will probably be around 1200-1300 after the dust settles. I wouldn't count on it, the PLxC’s have not gone on any sales and the coupon codes never work for them. As hot as these are going to be I don’t see the price going lower, hopefully Im wrong. * unless you are .mil or a first responder, I think they have a pretty generous program for those folks. Being it's not FFP it hopefully will be a tad less $. |
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Posted: 1/20/2024 8:32:08 AM EDT
[#19]
PA is saying on their IG that it’s the same price as their current FFP compact.
They also announced an SLX Nova 1-10 in SFP. |
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Posted: 1/20/2024 8:52:15 AM EDT
[#20]
I guess I don't see the point. It's essentially a Delta Stryker with an extra 2x on top for 2x the price.
What would be really interesting would be something FFP in 1-8x with high-end glass, a nuclear bright reticle, and the same compact size and ~17oz weight at the same ~$1500 price point as the current PLX-c. Oh wait, that's an NX8. A direct alternative for the NX8 would be interesting. Or even better, a cheaper alternative... |
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Posted: 1/20/2024 11:03:57 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HunterKiller86: I was really hoping they would release a 3-5x full size glx with all the typical PA prism features and integrated forward positioned 12oclock rds mount. I would buy that quickly |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2024 1:12:15 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: Im more excited about the GLX Microprism. Hopefully a 3x will follow I’m loving both these two new options, but this is what I’m most excited about too. Hopefully a 3x GLX will have a touch more eye relief than the slx |
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Posted: 1/20/2024 1:19:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s4s4u: Meh. FFP doesn't have much value in a 1-6, and can be a detriment if they F up the reticle, which most seem to do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s4s4u: Originally Posted By PacNW5: I think this is a good move for them going from SLX to platinum glass, although I think there will be some disappointment that this isn't a FFP scope like their current Compact. I'm guessing they'll continue to sell that model as well. Meh. FFP doesn't have much value in a 1-6, and can be a detriment if they F up the reticle, which most seem to do. It being SFP seems like a plus to me. FFP LPVOs tend to be a mess with their reticles at one end or the other of their mag, or often, at both ends. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2024 8:43:21 AM EDT
[#24]
I'm sure that a lot of people are going to like the scope, but it just doesn't interest me at all. Sure, the bright reticle is great, but I don't see why they can't put that on the FFP version.
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USA
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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:50:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: I'm sure that a lot of people are going to like the scope, but it just doesn't interest me at all. Sure, the bright reticle is great, but I don't see why they can't put that on the FFP version. Getting a reticle that bright in FFP takes a specific technology that is very expensive. The NX8 has it and is priced similarly, so there might be other factors at play? |
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Posted: 1/21/2024 12:07:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gman556]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: I'm sure that a lot of people are going to like the scope, but it just doesn't interest me at all. Sure, the bright reticle is great, but I don't see why they can't put that on the FFP version. I don't understand the complaints here about this because we now have both options. If you don't like sfp then buy the ffp, it's pretty simple, no? Unless you don't like the chevron then I can understand. |
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Posted: 1/21/2024 12:11:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gman556: I don't understand the complaints here about this because we now have both options. If you don't like sfp then buy the ffp, it's pretty simple, no? Unless you don't like the chevron then I can understand. You give up daylight bright in the FFP, though |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2024 12:25:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: s4s4u]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrapple: I'm sure that a lot of people are going to like the scope, but it just doesn't interest me at all. Sure, the bright reticle is great, but I don't see why they can't put that on the FFP version. That reticle would suck in FFP, it would join a long list of shitty FFP afterthought reticles. |
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Posted: 1/21/2024 1:18:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gman556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: You give up daylight bright in the FFP, though Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Originally Posted By gman556: I don't understand the complaints here about this because we now have both options. If you don't like sfp then buy the ffp, it's pretty simple, no? Unless you don't like the chevron then I can understand. You give up daylight bright in the FFP, though True but the example of the one that I had it wasn't really necessary. The crosshairs are all the way across on 1x and were thick enough to be visible on bright sunny days especially with snow cover. I needed the illum at dusk or when viewing into darker areas. The problem with the FFP at 1x was the center with that horseshoe and chevron covered up a lot of the target once you got beyond 50 yards. At 100 it would almost completely cover up an 18x12 steel target. Yeah you could just bump the magnification up a bit when that happens ,but I like to be able to use them at 1x out to 100 and not have them completely cover up a target of that size. YMMV. |
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Posted: 1/21/2024 1:20:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Yojimbo]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhon: Based on how good my SLX Nova is, this is going to be awesome. I really like my PA 1-6 Nova, I was hoping for a Glx so there wasn’t such a price jump. My wallet is not liking this…
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Posted: 1/21/2024 1:27:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gman556: True but the example of the one that I had it wasn't really necessary. The crosshairs are all the way across on 1x and were thick enough to be visible on bright sunny days especially with snow cover. I needed the illum at dusk or when viewing into darker areas. The problem with the FFP at 1x was the center with that horseshoe and chevron covered up a lot of the target once you got beyond 50 yards. At 100 it would almost completely cover up an 18x12 steel target. Yeah you could just bump the magnification up a bit when that happens ,but I like to be able to use them at 1x out to 100 and not have them completely cover up a target of that size. YMMV. I think your statement is generally true if the targets are high contrast. So, if you have a white or brown target in sunlight, it will be visible. However, once you have targets in shadow or even blacked-out targets, it’s very hard to make out center reticles without daylight bright illumination. |
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Posted: 1/21/2024 1:46:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: I think your statement is generally true if the targets are high contrast. So, if you have a white or brown target in sunlight, it will be visible. However, once you have targets in shadow or even blacked-out targets, it’s very hard to make out center reticles without daylight bright illumination. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Originally Posted By gman556: True but the example of the one that I had it wasn't really necessary. The crosshairs are all the way across on 1x and were thick enough to be visible on bright sunny days especially with snow cover. I needed the illum at dusk or when viewing into darker areas. The problem with the FFP at 1x was the center with that horseshoe and chevron covered up a lot of the target once you got beyond 50 yards. At 100 it would almost completely cover up an 18x12 steel target. Yeah you could just bump the magnification up a bit when that happens ,but I like to be able to use them at 1x out to 100 and not have them completely cover up a target of that size. YMMV. I think your statement is generally true if the targets are high contrast. So, if you have a white or brown target in sunlight, it will be visible. However, once you have targets in shadow or even blacked-out targets, it’s very hard to make out center reticles without daylight bright illumination. I just left the illum on so that was never a problem with both high contrast and "blackened" targets. Only reason I didn't keep mine was I didn't like the chevron at 8x, but that's just me. |
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Posted: 1/21/2024 1:51:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gman556: I just left the illum on so that was never a problem with both high contrast and "blackened" targets. Only reason I didn't keep mine was I didn't like the chevron at 8x, but that's just me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gman556: Originally Posted By PacNW5: Originally Posted By gman556: True but the example of the one that I had it wasn't really necessary. The crosshairs are all the way across on 1x and were thick enough to be visible on bright sunny days especially with snow cover. I needed the illum at dusk or when viewing into darker areas. The problem with the FFP at 1x was the center with that horseshoe and chevron covered up a lot of the target once you got beyond 50 yards. At 100 it would almost completely cover up an 18x12 steel target. Yeah you could just bump the magnification up a bit when that happens ,but I like to be able to use them at 1x out to 100 and not have them completely cover up a target of that size. YMMV. I think your statement is generally true if the targets are high contrast. So, if you have a white or brown target in sunlight, it will be visible. However, once you have targets in shadow or even blacked-out targets, it’s very hard to make out center reticles without daylight bright illumination. I just left the illum on so that was never a problem with both high contrast and "blackened" targets. Only reason I didn't keep mine was I didn't like the chevron at 8x, but that's just me. Even my razor that is daylight bright was kept on a medium setting and I used it the same way, and never felt the need to have it "daylight bright" due to the crosshairs. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2024 3:45:41 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDS87: Getting a reticle that bright in FFP takes a specific technology that is very expensive. The NX8 has it and is priced similarly, so there might be other factors at play? I replaced my NX8 with the PLXC and I would be happy if it had illumination. Alternatively, if NF comes out with an optic with BDC and maybe a thinner ocular bezel, that's a winner for me as well. But for now, both optics leave me wanting what the other had. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2024 1:24:22 AM EDT
[#35]
I'd day with it being 1-6 instead of 1-8 and SFP instead of FFP it may come in at a lower price than anticipated.
Excited either way personally. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 1:53:36 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beauseph: I'd day with it being 1-6 instead of 1-8 and SFP instead of FFP it may come in at a lower price than anticipated. Excited either way personally. If it was 1-6x and sfp with a nuclear bright dot, it would have to come in around $700 (half of the current msrp) to be competitive with the delta stryker, which is essentially exactly that. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 10:18:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Yojimbo]
[#37]
Looking at the specs it looks like the 1-8 PLx Nova will have a tighter 1x eyebox than the 1-6 SLx Nova. I know the 1x eyebox difference, thought huge, was noticeable from my PX4i to the SLx Nova.
I am not sure if this is true for all optics but it seems the higher the top end magnification the tighter the eyebox will be at 1x. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 10:19:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WarNerve]
[#38]
Will this be a wire or etched reticle?
ETA: it’s fiber wire. Right on the PA website. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 10:45:57 AM EDT
[#39]
I talked to one of my 3gun buddies at SHOT and he said this new 1-8 Nova looks a lot flatter at 1X than the current SLX Nova.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2024 11:15:19 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: I talked to one of my 3gun buddies at SHOT and he said this new 1-8 Nova looks a lot flatter at 1X than the current SLX Nova. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 12:06:40 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: I talked to one of my 3gun buddies at SHOT and he said this new 1-8 Nova looks a lot flatter at 1X than the current SLX Nova. I would hope so being one is Chinese and the other is Japanese made. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 4:51:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WarNerve]
[#42]
I am extremely happy with my PLxC 1-8. I am not a huge fan of the chevron but the rest of the package more than does it for me. Weight and footprint have always been important factors for me. I have owned all of them, Schmidt Dual CC, Swaro, Kahles, Vortex, NF . . . you name it and PA produces this for $1500. Impressive. I can't wait for the SFP Nova. I have been holding off on a FDE Griffin because I remember from an old thread discussing PA reticles that PA user dropped a hint on something along these lines. I am in for at least 3.
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Posted: 1/26/2024 5:01:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WarNerve: I am extremely happy with my PLxC 1-8. I am not a huge fan of the chevron but it the rest of the package more than does it for me. Weight and footprint has always been important factors for me. I have owned all of them, Schmidt Dual CC, Swaro, Kahles, Vortex, NF . . . you name it and PA produces this for $1500. Impressive. I can't wait for the SFP Nova. I have been holding off on a FDE Griffin because I remember from an old thread discussing PA reticles that PA user dropped a hint on something along these lines. I am in for at least 3. I feel the same way about the PLxC I had. I liked it over the NX8 I had, but my tarded ass couldn't get over the damn chevron. I'm torn now because I was just getting ready to get another one and just deal with the chevron, but now the come out with the nova. Now I have to decide if I need FFP or am ok with SFP. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2024 5:08:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Just10mm]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gman556: I feel the same way about the PLxC I had. I liked it over the NX8 I had, but my tarded ass couldn't get over the damn chevron. I'm torn now because I was just getting ready to get another one and just deal with the chevron, but now the come out with the nova. Now I have to decide if I need FFP or am ok with SFP. I was looking at the FFP variants hard, as a fan of most things ACSS the PLxC reticles (FFP) all look like John Maden had a stroke while going to town on the play board. It would be awesome to have some of the tree elements of the ACSS combined with the Nova but I guess it’s technically difficult or impossible or whatever. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 5:29:15 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Just10mm: I was looking at the FFP variants hard, as a fan of most things ACSS the PLxC reticles (FFP) all look like John Maden had a stroke while going to town on the play board. It would be awesome to have some of the tree elements of the ACSS combined with the Nova but I guess it’s technically difficult or impossible or whatever. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Just10mm: Originally Posted By gman556: I feel the same way about the PLxC I had. I liked it over the NX8 I had, but my tarded ass couldn't get over the damn chevron. I'm torn now because I was just getting ready to get another one and just deal with the chevron, but now the come out with the nova. Now I have to decide if I need FFP or am ok with SFP. I was looking at the FFP variants hard, as a fan of most things ACSS the PLxC reticles (FFP) all look like John Maden had a stroke while going to town on the play board. It would be awesome to have some of the tree elements of the ACSS combined with the Nova but I guess it’s technically difficult or impossible or whatever. That would be the shiznit right there. |
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Posted: 1/26/2024 10:10:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WarNerve]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Just10mm: I was looking at the FFP variants hard, as a fan of most things ACSS the PLxC reticles (FFP) all look like John Maden had a stroke while going to town on the play board. It would be awesome to have some of the tree elements of the ACSS combined with the Nova but I guess it’s technically difficult or impossible or whatever. I am no expert and someone please correct me if I’m wrong but I think to have the floating tree dots you have to have an etched reticle and it is the fiber wire that allows the daylight bright center dot. It must be difficult to have both. I think the Razor is a wire reticle. |
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Posted: 1/27/2024 2:49:23 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WarNerve: I am no expert and someone please correct me if I’m wrong but I think to have the floating tree dots you have to have an etched reticle and it is the fiber wire that allows the daylight bright center dot. It must be difficult to have both. I think the Razor is a wire reticle. It's not difficult just more expensive. I think a lot of companies are worried about pricing it out of the target audience  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/27/2024 9:45:57 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoody2shoez: It's not difficult just more expensive. I think a lot of companies are worried about pricing it out of the target audience https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470854/IMG_20231211_234208_530_jpg-3108836.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoody2shoez: Originally Posted By WarNerve: I am no expert and someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I think to have the floating tree dots you have to have an etched reticle and it is the fiber wire that allows the daylight bright center dot. It must be difficult to have both. I think the Razor is a wire reticle. It's not difficult just more expensive. I think a lot of companies are worried about pricing it out of the target audience https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470854/IMG_20231211_234208_530_jpg-3108836.JPG |
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Posted: 1/27/2024 9:51:08 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: This is the PLx-C's problem - if they COULD add the nuclear bright dot to the FFP version with it's ACSS reticle, it would be more expensive, but the PLX-C already costs about what a NX8 does, which already has detailed + nuclear bright reticles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Originally Posted By WarNerve: I am no expert and someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I think to have the floating tree dots you have to have an etched reticle and it is the fiber wire that allows the daylight bright center dot. It must be difficult to have both. I think the Razor is a wire reticle. It's not difficult just more expensive. I think a lot of companies are worried about pricing it out of the target audience https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470854/IMG_20231211_234208_530_jpg-3108836.JPG Just fyi the scope I posted is sfp |
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USA
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Posted: 1/27/2024 4:48:59 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoody2shoez: It's not difficult just more expensive. I think a lot of companies are worried about pricing it out of the target audience https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470854/IMG_20231211_234208_530_jpg-3108836.JPG Make and model? |
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