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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:28:17 PM EDT
1k lumens, 22k candela and green laser,
or 800 lumens, 66k candela, no laser. Which and why? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:33:35 PM EDT
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More candela so I can see & identify further. Also I hate lasers since I tend to always try to find them.
I only don’t mind lasers if I’m under nods & have the rifle canted. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 5:42:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: StealthyBlagga]
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Rifle? Highest possible Candela
Handgun? All the Lumens Fuck the laser unless IR under NODS |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 5:47:02 PM EDT
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Laser is pointless.
Rifle or Pistol? And what are the actual models/manufacturers? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:17:21 PM EDT
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I have 2 Surefire M640DF's with 1500 lumens and 16,000 candela, and 2 Cloud Defensive Rein 3.0's with 1250 lumens and 100,000 candela. I much prefer the throw of the Reins over the flood of the Scouts.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:50:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WUPHF]
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There’s a reason OP didn’t specify models.
I’m going to guess he’s comparing the Streamlight TLR-2 HL-G and the Olight PL Turbo as those are the closest fits I can find for those specs from mainstream weaponlight manufacturers. I’m also going to guess he concealed their names thinking most would outright dismiss the Olight because it’s Olight. I’d probably skip both because neither would meet my needs for a pistol mounted WML. The Streamlight because of the laser and the Olight because…well…..Olight. The answer to a pistol light is always X300. If you need IR, it’s X300V. If budget is a concern, it’s TLR-1. As of late, if you need throw or want to put a pistol light on a long gun, X300T. I’m sure many will disagree, but I’ve never gone wrong with any of those suggestions. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:13:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: There’s a reason OP didn’t specify models. I’m going to guess he’s comparing the Streamlight TLR-2 HL-G and the Olight PL Turbo as those are the closest fits I can find for those specs from mainstream weaponlight manufacturers. I’m also going to guess he concealed their names thinking most would outright dismiss the Olight because it’s Olight. I’d probably skip both because neither would meet my needs for a pistol mounted WML. The Streamlight because of the laser and the Olight because…well…..Olight. The answer to a pistol light is always X300. If you need IR, it’s X300V. If budget is a concern, it’s TLR-1. As of late, if you need throw or want to put a pistol light on a long gun, X300T. I’m sure many will disagree, but I’ve never gone wrong with any of those suggestions. It is a mistake to dismiss the Olight for being an Olight. I have half a dozen of the PL Turbo's and I love them. I have an X300T and I dislike the switches. The PL Turbo also has a better beam. It lives on an SBR where the rear press switch is actually useful. If you haven't tried a PL Turbo, you should. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 2:51:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chevrofreak: It is a mistake to dismiss the Olight for being an Olight. I have half a dozen of the PL Turbo's and I love them. I have an X300T and I dislike the switches. The PL Turbo also has a better beam. It lives on an SBR where the rear press switch is actually useful. If you haven't tried a PL Turbo, you should. Jack Daniel of Thunder Ranch documents all product failures in their classes. Guess what light brand breaks most? And it’s not by a few, it’s almost never breaks versus almost always breaks. He takes pictures and videos too, so it’s not like he’s just throwing out claims randomly. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 5:36:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chevrofreak]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Jack Daniel of Thunder Ranch documents all product failures in their classes. Guess what light brand breaks most? And it’s not by a few, it’s almost never breaks versus almost always breaks. He takes pictures and videos too, so it’s not like he’s just throwing out claims randomly. I've seen a few of those pictures and videos. Some of them have actually been Streamlight products and have been falsely attributed to Olight. Most of the Olight's that have issues are the Odin series, most of which have poorly designed mounts. I personally prefer the Javelot Tac, which has the mount machined into the body of the light, and if you ditch the Olight QD mount and use an actual scout mount like the ones from Magpul you end up with a much more rigid end product. The switch is guarded on the Javelot Tac and is difficult to accidentally knock loose compared to the Odin series.  But none of that relates to the PL Turbo, which is a pistol light that uses a screw clamp like a Surefire X300T-B. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:25:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Tomac]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: There’s a reason OP didn’t specify models. I’m going to guess he’s comparing the Streamlight TLR-2 HL-G and the Olight PL Turbo as those are the closest fits I can find for those specs from mainstream weaponlight manufacturers. I’m also going to guess he concealed their names thinking most would outright dismiss the Olight because it’s Olight. I’d probably skip both because neither would meet my needs for a pistol mounted WML. The Streamlight because of the laser and the Olight because…well…..Olight. The answer to a pistol light is always X300. If you need IR, it’s X300V. If budget is a concern, it’s TLR-1. As of late, if you need throw or want to put a pistol light on a long gun, X300T. I’m sure many will disagree, but I’ve never gone wrong with any of those suggestions. Good call, very close! (Olight PL Turbo & Streamlight TLR RM2 G for rifle use)  And, yes, I specifically didn't mention the makes because I wanted input on the specs, not the manufacturers. For the record, I own several of the Olight PL Turbos and have used them on both rifles & handguns. To date none have given me any problems. HOWEVER, I will drop them all like a hot potato should a fatal defect show up, I'm not a fanboi of Olight or anyone else. Should the PL Turbo prove unsatisfactory for my needs, I'm compiling a list of possible replacements for rifle use. I'm undecided on the practical use of visible lasers on rifles, but since my budget dictates affordable options have a lower candela output (I've tried the newish Streamlight HL-X Pro w/50k candela, it's a no-go for me), I'm considering a green laser option (hence the 22k candela Streamlight TLR RM2 G). The RM2 would sit on the optic rail, low enough to not be visible through my optic and would be the best probably location for a light/laser combo. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 3:34:32 PM EDT
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What are you doing with it? Higher candela usually indicates further throw which may not be the beam pattern you need (HD)
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Posted: 4/29/2024 3:35:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Tomac]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DefenderAO: What are you doing with it? Higher candela usually indicates further throw which may not be the beam pattern you need (HD) @DefenderAO HD, but I like having the option of reach. Do you consider 1k lumens/22k candela a better beam pattern for HD than 800 lumens/66k candela? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:48:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Tomac]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Jack Daniel of Thunder Ranch documents all product failures in their classes. Guess what light brand breaks most? And it’s not by a few, it’s almost never breaks versus almost always breaks. He takes pictures and videos too, so it’s not like he’s just throwing out claims randomly. @-OdieGreen- Do you happen to know the most common failure point on the Olights (emitter, switch, mount, etc)? I ask because I tried an impromptu torture test on one of my Olight PL Turbos: I mounted it at 3 o'clock on one of my Tavor X95 bullpups, stood the Tavor up on its buttplate, then let the rifle fall sideways directly onto the Olight. This was in my garage on a piece of carpeting over the concrete floor. I repeated this 5 times and the Olight is still functioning fine w/no emitter/switch/mount problems. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:58:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomac: @-OdieGreen- Do you happen to know the most common failure point on the Olights (emitter, switch, mount, etc)? I ask because I tried an impromptu torture test on one of my Olight PL Turbos: I mounted it at 3 o'clock on one of my Tavor X95 bullpups, stood the Tavor up on its buttplate, then let the rifle fall sideways directly onto the Olight. This was in my garage on a piece of carpeting over the concrete floor. I repeated this 5 times and the Olight is still functioning fine w/no emitter/switch/mount problems. Looks like mounts primarily but he’s seen cables break too. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:31:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Looks like mounts primarily but he’s seen cables break too. Thx!
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:27:45 PM EDT
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Here are a couple of comparison pics of the 800 lumen/66k candela Olight PL Turbo & the 1k lumen/22k Streamlight TLR RM2 taken in my garage.
Both lights are aimed at the furnace on the left, notice the difference in spill on the right. Olight:  Attached FileStreamlight:  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:30:34 PM EDT
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For what job?
Home defense? Shooting yotes, 100 yards away in the back forty out of the back door of the double wide? |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:35:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: For what job? Home defense? Shooting yotes, 100 yards away in the back forty out of the back door of the double wide? Home defense. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 12:47:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomac: Here are a couple of comparison pics of the 800 lumen/66k candela Olight PL Turbo & the 1k lumen/22k Streamlight TLR RM2 taken in my garage. Both lights are aimed at the furnace on the left, notice the difference in spill on the right. Olight: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1593/Garage_Olight_jpg-3203374.JPG Streamlight: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1593/Garage_Streamlight_jpg-3203375.JPG For HD I’d be picking the Streamlight here. I can see your massive stash of TP in that picture but can’t tell what it is with the Olight. 
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Posted: 5/2/2024 7:27:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: For HD I’d be picking the Streamlight here. I can see your massive stash of TP in that picture but can’t tell what it is with the Olight. Actually, it's paper towels on the bottom shelf & TP on the shelf above it. 
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Posted: 5/2/2024 11:16:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomac: Actually, it's paper towels on the bottom shelf & TP on the shelf above it. May no spill go uncleaned, and no ass go unwiped. 
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Posted: 5/2/2024 11:35:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomac: Home defense. Spill is important. Go with the best spill. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:19:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Tomac]
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Posted: Today 4:42:29 AM EDT
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Final observation:
Just got back from the range (2am). Two target stands at 100yds, appx 25' apart. With the Olight aimed at one stand, the other was not visible at all despite being in the Olight's spill zone. With the Streamlight, the aimed-at target stand wasn't quite as defined as with the Olight, but the other stand, while dim, was still clearly visible. |
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Posted: Today 5:07:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomac: Final observation: Just got back from the range (2am). Two target stands at 100yds, appx 25' apart. With the Olight aimed at one stand, the other was not visible at all despite being in the Olight's spill zone. With the Streamlight, the aimed-at target stand wasn't quite as defined as with the Olight, but the other stand, while dim, was still clearly visible. I think you should try a PL Pro next. |
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Posted: Today 5:17:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Jack Daniel of Thunder Ranch documents all product failures in their classes. Guess what light brand breaks most? And it’s not by a few, it’s almost never breaks versus almost always breaks. He takes pictures and videos too, so it’s not like he’s just throwing out claims randomly. How does Modlight rate? |
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Posted: Today 5:27:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chevrofreak: I think you should try a PL Pro next. Does Olight make a CR123 version? All I see is the rechargeable model. |
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