What benefits would a VCOG bring to the party compared to a Vortex RAZOR?

Does any know what the bore over height is for a VCOG?

VCOG is Navy approved.

Outside of that, it's got longer battery life with its AA battery vs a CR2032 and it has an integral mount.

I'd rather have the Razor though.

I've seen a lot of Razors but have never seen a VCOG.

Should be 1.54” or thereabouts HOB.

It’s also measurably worse in just about any category that matters, at least as far as the 1-6x VCOG is concerned.

All VCOG are ffp
Razor gen II is sfp
Razor gen III is ffp

So depending on which Razor you are talking about, VCOG may have an advantage in ranging and hold overs at every magnification except maxed out.

It's the ultimate SHTF optic.  No other optic can do it, except EOTech.

That would be the mount height, not the height over bore. With a 1.54 mount you have to add the bore height to the Pic rail and that is roughly 1.25". So for a 1.54" optics mount you have a 2.79" height over bore. With a 1.7" mount you have 2.95" and so on.

Durability would be the only benefit over a Razor I’d expect.

Yeah, sorry, I misspoke there.  Optical centerline should be 1.54”, or thereabouts.

End of the day, HOB is going to be equivalent to most other scopes in a standard height AR mount.

I have used a VCOG for 3+ years over the issues atacr and it has better glass and a usable reticle from 1-8x with or without illumination. Gen 3 razors are not that great clarity wise and I rather use a gen 2 over it but the reticle is way better and vortex stuff is hit or miss with durability. 1.54 height but a KRAM 5.5 spacer is like 1.75 or so and is comfortable and clears a laser.

I don't currently own a Razor but have spent time behind the 1-6 Gen2 (I do have it's closest Trijjicon equivalent in a Credo HX 1-6). I also still own a VCOG 1-6. I don't know if it's fair to compare a Razor and a VCOG. Other than them both being 1-6 glass tubes used to direct projectiles onto a target, they're built to emphasize slightly different needs. The Razor or Credo are "better in every way" in the way a Ferrari is better than a Ford F-150 in every way if your criteria is as a sports car. Razor has wider FOV, flatter image, minimal reticle with a nuclear bright LED dot, & a thin housing bezel that does a better job of disappearing with both eyes open. It's fast, it's a race car. That's why it's so popular for run & gun shooting sports.

The VCOG is a different beast. Its glass is protected in a burly forged aluminum body. It definitely feels more like you're looking through a thicker tube because you are. The housing, integrated throw lever & integrated mount are as no fuss, no snag as possible. I really like the throw lever or more accurately named "fin". Very smart design vs the portruding big "catch me on something" screw in posts or clamp on rings. Some have complained about the weight of all this. True, it's no lightweight optic but only 2oz heavier than a bare Razor so all said and done a Razor is heavier, clunkier, and no added durability benefit. I also appreciate the VCOG use of AA battery power over a coin battery. I NEVER worry about battery life. Batteries age out before they run out. I literally swap a new battery into my VCOG and pass the used battery onto TV remotes till they're flat. As for the VCOG in use, yeah, it's no Razor but I don't use it like a Razor. I use it like a variable power Eotech. At 1x its segmented circle works the same way. At 6x it gets out of the way well enough to use the crosshairs at distance. Everyone asks why they made it FFP when it's an LPVO. I can agree that no one's probably using intermediate magnification for precision long range holds. I think of it and use it differently. I'll often run it at a 2x or 4x default outdoors like an ACOG so those FFP holds still work.

So that IMO is a VCOG and what it's good for. It's not a sports car but it has some useful features that your conventional tube in a clamp scope doesn't. It's not right for everyone but I would say it is probably an overall better thing to issue to Marines for many reasons beyond superior glass clarity.

The 1-8 vcog has a better 1 power than the 1-10 razor. The razor has a better reticle. The vcog seems more robust. Weights are comparable.  Glass is comparable. Razor is more money.

Razor is for gaming, vcog is for everything else.

If you have a different assessment, you are wrong.

So you think socom is wrong and all the warriors using lpvo over the vcog in extreme conditions because you say so..

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Net Weight savings on the VCOG

Provided manufacturer listed weights are accurate:

Razor vs 1-6x VCOG, it’s going to be a wash given you aren’t using a brick of a mount with the Razor.

Razor vs 1-8x VCOG and the Razor w/mount is going to be 4-5oz lighter.

Yes. I don’t disengage my brain and blindly follow anyone.

Check your meter, or have have it replaced.

Lmao mkay. Typical clueless 2023  that has done jack all for their country talking out their ass about crap they know nothing about to someone that has been there and done that for most of his life..



If you knew anything about the issues of the m16 in the origins you would know it had to do with 1 the change of the propellent being used and 2 soldiers being told not to clean and maintain their firearms..

The m9 was poorly maintained and was worn out.. it was a better option for the masses over the 1911 though however I think the p226 would have been better. But that being said, in socom and on my team I had more options than just the m9 and once I left the reg army I never carried it again.

Socom T&e programs are far superior to the standard army and the people conducting them are far more knowledgeable about firearms and in most cases are actual shooters and combat vets.

Lmao. I don't blindly follow anyone. I have actual real world experience in some of the toughest environments using my weapons for the intended purposes. You people that think you are right and anyone who disagree are wrong are a complete joke. The lpvo is a great option and used a hell of a lot more in tougher environments than the vgog. The atacr and gen iii does not have a problem holding up or outperforming the vcog.

Net Weight… that VCOG makes your wallet SUPER LIGHT.  

1.  I reject your appeal to authority.
2.  The VCOG.....IS....an lpvo.
3.  Your sarcasm meter is irreparably broken.
4.  Chill the f___ out.

ETA:  When I said I don't blindly follow anyone, I was referencing myself.  I don't care what you do.

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Low blows.  Uncalled for in tech, or anywhere else.

This is gonna kill nice thread.

My issue is people making blanket statements and thinking theirs is the only answer. If you were just bsing around and being sarcastic ok cool. If someone prefers one over the other, that's personal preference and there is plenty of room for personal preference.  Just no room for absolute when there is a lot of subjective preferences. My point was that the atacr and gen iii have every bit the performance and durability of the vcog and are currently used in some of the harshest conditions. They are viable options just as is the vcog and no absolutes..

I broke 6 atacrs in mom's basement just last week, but VCOG improved with use.  See, SOCOM don't basement like I do.

I new this was going to happen eventually with him.

He did the same identical thing to another veteran here under another screen name over a year or so ago, and got booted.

He just can't help himself this time either.

This thread is a good one with some good info in between the BS.

For fuck’s sake, dude, give it a rest.

You need a meter too.

The Venn digram of scenarios and uses where they are excellent choices is nearly a circle. Speaking only of tge 1-6 models: The .223 BDC on the VCOG is better for human-sized targets. Essentially perfect with 12.5” and 14.5” barrels using 62-70gr projectiles. Presumably it would work well with other bullets and barrels in the 223/556 range. The JM-1 in the Razor is absolutely optimized for shooting sports, but it’s a top contender for human-sized targets also.

I’m not especially enamored with the reticles on the higher powered versions of either, but I’m also not particularly attracted to LPVOs greater than 6x for a fighting or general-purpose carbine.

The battery life on my green VCOG is stellar, and well-suited to military use by conventional troops. Or for cops. I often forget to turn my LPVOs off, so it works well for me, also.

If a child soldier/E3 is ever going to touch/carry/mount it, the VCOG is peerless.