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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2010 10:20:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By KJB:
GI 2 qt canteen straps and the "original" homemade "V-tac" was also common. It's made from the lower part of of an ALICE pack strap and a M3 grease gun sling. These are still used as some guys can not find the money to pruchase their own sling like a VTAC and the issued three point sling the Navy gives out is not that great. I show people how to make these out of a marksmanship sling and the lower strap of a ALICE pack when I instruct patrolling. The parts are easy to get as the ALICE packs and replacement components are still out there as well as the simple 1 1/4" wide marksmanship sling. I usally tell the troops to use a buttstock adaptor from Specter Gear or Spec Ops Brand for attachment to our M16A2E3 rifles as these are either issued or easy to come by used and are rugged simple attachments. For the front attachment on a issued weapon you can use para cord but I prefer one of those air craft cable key chain things as they hold up to heat better. You can also use a HK hook or MASH on the regular fron sling loop and it works fine. The best is if the armorer will attach a side sling swivel mount like on the M16 equipped with a M203. I used to think 3 points were the shiznit until all the straps got in the way then I discovered the quick adjust two point sling and all was right in the world. 
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Posted: 9/27/2010 2:49:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Morg308]
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Originally Posted By machinegunseabee:
Originally Posted By KJB:
GI 2 qt canteen straps and the "original" homemade "V-tac" was also common. It's made from the lower part of of an ALICE pack strap and a M3 grease gun sling. These are still used as some guys can not find the money to pruchase their own sling like a VTAC and the issued three point sling the Navy gives out is not that great. I show people how to make these out of a marksmanship sling and the lower strap of a ALICE pack when I instruct patrolling. The parts are easy to get as the ALICE packs and replacement components are still out there as well as the simple 1 1/4" wide marksmanship sling. I usally tell the troops to use a buttstock adaptor from Specter Gear or Spec Ops Brand for attachment to our M16A2E3 rifles as these are either issued or easy to come by used and are rugged simple attachments. For the front attachment on a issued weapon you can use para cord but I prefer one of those air craft cable key chain things as they hold up to heat better. You can also use a HK hook or MASH on the regular fron sling loop and it works fine. The best is if the armorer will attach a side sling swivel mount like on the M16 equipped with a M203. I used to think 3 points were the shiznit until all the straps got in the way then I discovered the quick adjust two point sling and all was right in the world. We would REALLY like to see pics of examples of this! (We don't get out much)  Show us!
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Posted: 9/28/2010 1:24:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gunnut003]
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Originally Posted By rozzi:
I have been reading this thread with great interest. I just finished up a replica of Sergeant First Class Randall Shughart 's M14 using my M1A. During my research I came across the following photo off "onesixthwarriors.com". I thought it could help some members out. It is a close up from a paining made by Jim Dietz, entitled "Valiant Stand". I have read that only 100 prints were made and all went to vets/family members of the Battle of Mogadishu. It is my understanding that Mr. Dietz did a lot of research for the painting and was granted access to members of Delta to "get it right". With all the discussion of Aimpoints being used, it appears to me that both MSG Gordon and SFC Shughart are using Aimpoints in the painting. I don't know for sure what model Master Sergeant Gordon is using, but SFC Shughart's looks to be a 3000. Maybe some of you will see things differently. Anyway, hope this information can help. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj152/36coupe/valiantstand.jpg Those could be 3000s or 5000s. They both came in the short and long versions. Looking at pictures online, the major way to tell them apart is the brightness control KNOB. The 3000 has a longer pointier KNOB, whereas the 5000 is more like the Comp M2, M3, M4 versions. Looking at the "93 era military pictures I could see 3000s for sure, possible 5000s, and as was mention maybe even a CompM.  ...Although I kinda know why some members of the military where not so concerned with the hardware they used, as long as it worked. My brother asked me about some technical info of my BMW 335i, and I just responded with "I dont have to worry about the technical haves and nots and performance, I just use the car, I dont have to worry about specs...."
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2010 5:46:09 PM EDT
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/machinegunseabee/sling.jpg
A close up of the quick adjust. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/machinegunseabee/sling2.jpg An over view of the working half of the sling. HK hook for attachment to front sling swivel. You do not get as much movement room out of these as you would a VTAC but they do work if adjusted right. No special sewing involved just some weaving of webbing into buckles. You could use other attachments from other straps like a 2 quart canteen but I like this its simple and cheap. You could use a M60 or 240 sling for a padded version. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2010 5:52:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By machinegunseabee:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/machinegunseabee/sling.jpg A close up of the quick adjust. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/machinegunseabee/sling2.jpg An over view of the working half of the sling. HK hook for attachment to front sling swivel. You do not get as much movement room out of these as you would a VTAC but they do work if adjusted right. No special sewing involved just some weaving of webbing into buckles. You could use other attachments from other straps like a 2 quart canteen but I like this its simple and cheap. You could use a M60 or 240 sling for a padded version. That is very cool ! Since I am mildly retarded, would it be possible to show one attached to a weapon, and how it adjusts in and out? I was dropped a lot as a baby. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2010 9:21:58 PM EDT
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http://www.vikingtactics.com/video_instruction.html#
Your best bet is to check out VTAC videos and their website. I would recommend you get a real VTAC either version for real work shooting but you can use the one I put up pictures of if you are short on funds. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2010 2:33:06 PM EDT
[#7]
not from somalia, but still similar and cool...
from the movie blood diamond 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/9/2010 8:50:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MattNificent:
not from somalia, but still similar and cool... from the movie blood diamond http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/5/54/Car15bd.jpg/800px-Car15bd.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/images/9/98/Vlcsnap-298391.jpg Great film in my humble opinion. It really showed west Africa for what it is. A really, really violent place. ka |
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Posted: 10/9/2010 11:10:06 PM EDT
[#9]
Originally Posted By MattNificent:
not from somalia, but still similar and cool... from the movie blood diamond http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/5/54/Car15bd.jpg/800px-Car15bd.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/images/9/98/Vlcsnap-298391.jpg That was set in 1999! Not retro! Joking
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Posted: 10/9/2010 11:41:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jtb0311:
That was set in 1999! Not retro! JokingLOL. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2010 1:00:41 AM EDT
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LOL, 93 aint retro either!!
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Posted: 10/10/2010 11:19:35 AM EDT
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NV, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2010 3:07:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jtb0311:
Originally Posted By MattNificent:
not from somalia, but still similar and cool... from the movie blood diamond http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/5/54/Car15bd.jpg/800px-Car15bd.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/images/9/98/Vlcsnap-298391.jpg That was set in 1999! Not retro! JokingI'm willing to bet the weapons for both movies were provided by the same prop company (Bapty, UK). |
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Posted: 10/29/2010 6:31:35 PM EDT
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damn I knew I should not have came in here
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CA, USA
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Posted: 10/31/2010 11:40:59 PM EDT
[#15]
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Originally Posted By DocMike:
Well, it's official, I'm collecting parts for a BHD build. I picked up this just a couple of days ago off Gunbroker. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/Aimpoint1000Buy.jpg Now I've got to start looking for a flashlight and mount. Doc I finally hunted mine down. Its an Aimpoint Mark III. It looks similar to the 1000. Still works. I was amazed. Its mounted up. Now I too, am off to hunt the elusive flashlight mount. http://www.aimpoint.com/cache/ttf/0eec04d450ee9f639f.jpg Hm, I was given one of those for free. How much do those fetch? -Ben |
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Posted: 10/31/2010 11:55:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BePhreed:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Originally Posted By DocMike:
Well, it's official, I'm collecting parts for a BHD build. I picked up this just a couple of days ago off Gunbroker. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/Aimpoint1000Buy.jpg Now I've got to start looking for a flashlight and mount. Doc I finally hunted mine down. Its an Aimpoint Mark III. It looks similar to the 1000. Still works. I was amazed. Its mounted up. Now I too, am off to hunt the elusive flashlight mount. http://www.aimpoint.com/cache/ttf/0eec04d450ee9f639f.jpg Hm, I was given one of those for free. How much do those fetch? -Ben $1....wanna sell it?
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/1/2010 12:09:34 AM EDT
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I've got $20
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Posted: 11/1/2010 12:32:24 AM EDT
[#18]
This thread caused me to go the BHD route with my 727 build. Mostly correct thus far, but I left he barrel mounted sling swivel on the 6921 barrel I found (so, yes, the FSB is wrong, too). I have no idea when the sling swivels came out, but mine is at least the earlier reversible kind. I'll post pics later. I still only have a 6P, but I'll remedy that when I can.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/1/2010 5:28:33 PM EDT
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Sorry guys, may just have to build a BHD rifle now!
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/1/2010 5:30:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Here's what the Aimpoint Mark III looks like mounted up. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/5027316889_673ab84dfb_z.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5027317899_357fbbb3a5.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/5027321067_7899824cd9.jpg It looks like they were discontinued in January 1986. Incredibly nice rifle! I would love this same thing except with a M4 profile barrel. -Ben |
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Posted: 11/1/2010 7:59:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 103]
[#21]
Here is mine for now. It's just a basic 727 build, but I decided to paint it up. I'll eventually find a proper light for it, but for now it's ok. Also, the sling is just a V-tac 2 point. I'll replace it with something more appropriate later. Also, there's a gray Colt 727 upper under that paint.
6921 barrel Colt 727 upper M14 light mount Early variation Colt barrel mounted sling swivel Colt Bolt Carrier BCM Bolt NDS M16A1 lower Colt semi FCG Spare parts LPK a random 4 position Milspec tube a random Milspec carbine stock Krylon 
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Posted: 11/1/2010 8:24:42 PM EDT
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Looks very nice 103!
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2010 11:43:18 PM EDT
[#23]
Aimpoint 3000 on ebay, ending very soon!
It's not mine and I have no affiliation with the seller but I know some people are probably looking for one for their builds...Aimpoint 3000 |
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Posted: 12/1/2010 3:29:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoinTheRukus:
Aimpoint 3000 on ebay, ending very soon! It's not mine and I have no affiliation with the seller but I know some people are probably looking for one for their builds...Aimpoint 3000 Sure, my "defence budget" is pretty much depleted for the year so I let my guard down and that's when an Aimpoint 3000 goes up for auction and it sells for a pretty reasonable price. 
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CA, USA
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Posted: 12/1/2010 4:21:31 PM EDT
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Ya Doc, I feel your pain. I had to turn my head and whistle for about 15 minutes there. . .
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CA, USA
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Posted: 12/1/2010 7:39:12 PM EDT
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Doc, I know how you feel. I just purchased an Aimpoint 1000 and Surefire Round Body so I had to pass on this one as well. There is a 2000 that is currently selling as well.
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Posted: 12/10/2010 1:09:17 AM EDT
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I just got an Aimpoint 1000 off Gunbroker for my BHD build. What is the correct mount? ARMS short?
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Posted: 12/19/2010 1:09:41 AM EDT
[#28]
Here's a crappy cell phone pic of my gun. I'll break out my camera tomorrow and take a decent picture.
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Posted: 12/19/2010 11:00:56 AM EDT
[#29]
Good looking build. That looks a whole lot like my BHD Tribute rifle did a while back.....even with the same incorrect flashlight. If you are looking for the correct flashlight keep looking, they are out there.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2010 4:49:55 AM EDT
[#30]
Not the greatest pics, but might be of some help to someone...
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Posted: 12/20/2010 5:14:40 AM EDT
[#31]
Finally took a better picture. Painted the ARMS mount, but I'm going to leave the Aimpoint unpainted. Also, yes, I am looking for a proper light. I'm in no rush, though. The sling is made by me with a SAW sling and an Alice pack strap. I got to use the gun for low-light carbine drills Friday, and it was awesome. Only things that are really off about it are the front sling swivel (but at least it's the older style––no idea when they came out) and I have an XS same plane rear iron.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2010 5:18:45 AM EDT
[#32]
I beg your pardon guys, but which Aimpoint is correct on the M16s?
...and a few more pics from the movie. 
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Posted: 12/20/2010 5:46:26 AM EDT
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I believe it's been covered, but I want to say 1000 and maybe 3000? Aimpoint just changed their website (without so much as proofreading the content), and I can't find the old info on a lot of the discontinued sights.
My understanding is that the Comp-types shown in the movie are wrong for Gothic Serpent. |
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Posted: 12/20/2010 10:11:47 AM EDT
[#34]
Yes, after studying every photo that I have been able to find that was taken at the time of Gothic Serpent it appears that the most common optic used was the Aimpoint 3000. While the movie Blackhawk Down does a pretty good job of telling the story of the tragic events that occurred that day it is not 100% historically correct. In the movie they used currently available optics at the time that the movie was made rather that trying to locate enough out of production optics to outfit all the guns used in the movie. The following photo was taken from the additional footage included with the DVD Blackhawk Down and shows an actual operator using an Aimpoint 3000.
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Posted: 12/20/2010 2:14:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jtb0311]
[#35]
Wow, ever since the "BHD" threads started, I always thought people were trying to build replicas of carbines that were actually used during Operation Gothic Serpent, rather than building replicas of what they saw in the movie.
Can I build a Call of Duty: Black Ops carbine with a flat top and post it here? 
Uploaded with ImageShack.us Would that be retro? 
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Posted: 12/20/2010 2:27:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Calm down. No one is building a movie gun. Movies can be good reference, though. Not this movie, but not everyone knows that.
Side note: I actually put together a Black Ops clone recently. Though with modifications to make it more handy and usable. It's actually an awesome gun. Clearly not a retro, and clearly has nothing to do with this thread. Right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/20/2010 4:31:37 PM EDT
[#37]
Originally Posted By 103:
Calm down. No one is building a movie gun. Movies can be good reference, though. Not this movie, but not everyone knows that. Side note: I actually put together a Black Ops clone recently. Though with modifications to make it more handy and usable. It's actually an awesome gun. Clearly not a retro, and clearly has nothing to do with this thread. Right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You're right. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2011 5:16:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: boywonder777]
[#38]
are these knockoff mounts similar to the surefire mount?
they can be found for less than $5 shipped on ebay. having trouble finding a real surefire mount. 
i'll use a weaver 1" ring since it looks more correct than the ones that come with it. 
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Posted: 1/2/2011 11:02:00 AM EDT
[#39]
Mount looks close, and the Weaver rings in your last pic are correct (same as what Surefire sells you for more $). Here's the Surefire mount though: http://www.opticsplanet.net/surefire-colt-rifles-weaver-mount-for-classic-universal-weaponlight-systems-m16.html
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Posted: 1/2/2011 3:02:10 PM EDT
[#40]
You can sometimes find the mounts cheaper on Gunbroker. I bought mine from a seller named am180 for $24 (he doesn't have any listed at the moment it appears).
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Posted: 1/2/2011 3:49:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jtb0311: Wow, ever since the "BHD" threads started, I always thought people were trying to build replicas of carbines that were actually used during Operation Gothic Serpent, rather than building replicas of what they saw in the movie. Can I build a Call of Duty: Black Ops carbine with a flat top and post it here? http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8715/menumpweaponscommando.png Uploaded with ImageShack.us Would that be retro? If you're gonna do a black ops clone, go for the m16a1 underbarrel flamethrower with red handguards 
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2011 3:52:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Here's what the Aimpoint Mark III looks like mounted up. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/5027316889_673ab84dfb_z.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5027317899_357fbbb3a5.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/5027321067_7899824cd9.jpg It looks like they were discontinued in January 1986. Nice Carbeen! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2011 9:06:35 PM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By Willmar:
You can sometimes find the mounts cheaper on Gunbroker. I bought mine from a seller named am180 for $24 (he doesn't have any listed at the moment it appears). cool i'll keep an eye out. not in a rush, ran across an aimpoint 1000 and have an old surefire so thought the time was right for a bhd build. plus got some a2 uppers that'll never get used if i don't put this one together. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/6/2011 11:32:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By boywonder777:
are these knockoff mounts similar to the surefire mount? they can be found for less than $5 shipped on ebay. having trouble finding a real surefire mount. http://www.sigmall.com/chinatera/galleries/ng456/6047.jpg http://www.sigmall.com/chinatera/galleries/ng456/6047-1.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/jimshop168/Flashlight_Laser_Mount_01.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/jimshop168/Flashlight_Laser_Mount_02.JPG i'll use a weaver 1" ring since it looks more correct than the ones that come with it. http://www.laserdevices.com/webart/productsInd/382.jpg Hmmm. I'm not a fan of buying knock-off crap, but for 5 bucks, how can you go wrong? Even if it ends up being garbage, you're only out the cost of a cheeseburger. If it wasn't for my apprehension of giving some company in Hong Kong my CC info, I'd have ordered one already. Has anyone bought one of these? |
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Posted: 1/6/2011 3:03:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jhud]
[#45]
Originally Posted By machinegunseabee:
[/span][span style='color: red;']I used to think 3 points were the shiznit until all the straps got in the way then I discovered the quick adjust two point sling and all was right in the [/span]world. I came to that conclusion also. The Spec ops Master Blaster is a favorite of mine. Once I found a deal on some mamba slings. I found out how to kitbash it along with some 2" wide webbing and make my own version. Sewing a loops on each end (instead of buckels) makes its more seamless and works great with a M203 sling adapter. Spec Ops makes a beefy adjustable quick release buckle that would be hard to wear out or break. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2011 12:50:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Razzman1:
Hmmm. I'm not a fan of buying knock-off crap, but for 5 bucks, how can you go wrong? Even if it ends up being garbage, you're only out the cost of a cheeseburger. If it wasn't for my apprehension of giving some company in Hong Kong my CC info, I'd have ordered one already. Has anyone bought one of these? haven't picked one up yet, they are set up for paypal so your cc isn't really exposed. |
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Posted: 1/7/2011 5:03:38 PM EDT
[#47]
Originally Posted By boywonder777:
are these knockoff mounts similar to the surefire mount? they can be found for less than $5 shipped on ebay. having trouble finding a real surefire mount. http://www.sigmall.com/chinatera/galleries/ng456/6047.jpg http://www.sigmall.com/chinatera/galleries/ng456/6047-1.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/jimshop168/Flashlight_Laser_Mount_01.jpg http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/jimshop168/Flashlight_Laser_Mount_02.JPG i'll use a weaver 1" ring since it looks more correct than the ones that come with it. http://www.laserdevices.com/webart/productsInd/382.jpg I had the correct weapon light and Surefire mount but sold it - I can tell you that the real Surefire mount actually uses the Weaver ring, so it would be correct, and the knockoff base looks identical, at least in my feeble memory. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2011 12:14:07 AM EDT
[#48]
Originally Posted By Morg308:
i'll use a weaver 1" ring since it looks more correct than the ones that come with it. http://www.laserdevices.com/webart/productsInd/382.jpg I had the correct weapon light and Surefire mount but sold it - I can tell you that the real Surefire mount actually uses the Weaver ring, so it would be correct, and the knockoff base looks identical, at least in my feeble memory. [/quote] cool i thought from the detailed pics on ebay and the surefire ones, they look real close. maybe the peaks of the mounts maybe a little different but you can't tell when mounted. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:33:50 AM EDT
[#49]
OK, so I don't like buying crap from China, but for 5 bucks, I figured I couldn't go wrong. I ordered one of the knock-offs from e-bay, and it showed up a few weeks later. Quality is, I'm sure, not as good as a Surefire, but I'm not kicking in doors, so I think I'll be OK. It seems decent and sturdy, and I think it would take quite a bit of abuse. The only almost-problem I had was that with my pencil thin barrel, the mounting screws that attach the upper and lower brackets were long enough that had I needed to tighten them another 2 or 3 turns, I would have had to cut them a little shorter. I didn't have to, though, so I can't say it was a problem. I happened to have the Weaver mount, so I replaced the scope mount that the light mount came with.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:17:23 AM EDT
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Looks great man!
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