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Posted: 8/24/2006 12:13:40 PM EDT

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It's also not supposed to glow, creating an obvious anomoly that will definitely attract the eye.

Posted: 8/24/2006 12:22:52 PM EDT

[#2]

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So what is it? Use two patterns or use MultiCam?

Does anyone even have ONE picture of multicam in nature that DID NOT come from the guys trying to sell it? Those obviously doctored photos always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Can you offer any proof of this?

OR is this just your uneducated assumption?

Posted: 8/24/2006 12:30:45 PM EDT

[#3]

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So what is it? Use two patterns or use MultiCam?

Does anyone even have ONE picture of multicam in nature that DID NOT come from the guys trying to sell it? Those obviously doctored photos always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Can you offer any proof of this?

OR is this just your uneducated assumption?

Give me a break! Look at their website - isolate JUST the uniform from the pictures, and compare them with each other. Unless they are claiming color-morphing technology, how else do you explain them?

Better yet - if Crye wants me to spend several hundred dollars ON A PAIR OF PANTS - they should be the ones offering proof.

Posted: 8/24/2006 12:35:07 PM EDT

[#4]

I would say you cant really judge camo' from close up when comparing to the background and other camo'.

Its meant to blend in and break up the silhouete at long distances, not make a person disapear at 10 feet.

I would say just the opposite, 10 feet is where you really need it to work. If it works close up it will work even better at long distance. What happens if you are fighting someone in a heavily wooded or jungle type environment where the terrain and vegetation doesn't allow for long distance engagements. If your camo doesn't work close up you’re fucked. I must agree with the majority on this one, the Army really dropped the ball with the ACU pattern. Next thing you know some idiot with stars on his shoulder will want to give everyone berets.

Posted: 8/24/2006 12:54:06 PM EDT

[#5]

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So what is it? Use two patterns or use MultiCam?

Does anyone even have ONE picture of multicam in nature that DID NOT come from the guys trying to sell it? Those obviously doctored photos always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Can you offer any proof of this?

OR is this just your uneducated assumption?

Let this picture be your guide

(read the text! lol)

While I don't know if these multicam pictures on their site are touched up (I don't think they are), I do believe the lighting and background are carefully selected to best showcase the multicam.
I find the ACU is pretty good when the background is asphalt or rocky sand, I can take some pictures to illustrate how wonderful it is, and indeed it would be, but these pics do not tell the whole story.
We just need to remember that the stuff on a manufacturer's site is designed to sell its products, I doubt if they'd show how it sucks (if it does suck). When was the last time you went to dell.com and see Dell stating their customer satisfaction rating had dropped?

It's advertising, people!

Posted: 8/24/2006 12:59:37 PM EDT

[#6]

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So what is it? Use two patterns or use MultiCam?

Does anyone even have ONE picture of multicam in nature that DID NOT come from the guys trying to sell it? Those obviously doctored photos always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Can you offer any proof of this?

OR is this just your uneducated assumption?

Let this picture be your guide

(read the text! lol)
i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/ME109.jpg

I'm sure that the use of photo enhancement is commonly used to doctor photos.

But for someone to just assume that every image is altered because they don't agree with it is nonsense.

ETA P.S.I wonder if I can get my car cammo'd like this plane.

Posted: 8/24/2006 1:03:28 PM EDT

[#7]

Sure thing, and it'd look as awesome so long as you only drive it on rocky desert roads when the sun shines a certain way during a brief few minutes that casts shadows on rocks like that which match your paint scheme

Posted: 8/24/2006 1:14:11 PM EDT

[#8]

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Sure thing, and it'd look as awesome so long as you only drive it on rocky desert roads when the sun shines a certain way during a brief few minutes that casts shadows on rocks like that which match your paint scheme

Well,I plan on using the car in Arizona.I was thinking that cammo would halp keep me safe from aerial bombardment.

Posted: 8/24/2006 1:22:28 PM EDT

[#9]

I hope it won't work so well your fellow drivers fail to notice your car and run into what they thought was a part of the road

Posted: 8/24/2006 1:26:33 PM EDT

[#10]

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I hope it won't work so well your fellow drivers fail to notice your car and run into what they thought was a part of the road

Hmmm...You're right.I guess for short trips

to the grocery store,I'll have to tape orange

construction cones to the top of my car.

Posted: 8/24/2006 1:31:36 PM EDT

[#11]

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So what is it? Use two patterns or use MultiCam?

Does anyone even have ONE picture of multicam in nature that DID NOT come from the guys trying to sell it? Those obviously doctored photos always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Can you offer any proof of this?

OR is this just your uneducated assumption?

Let this picture be your guide he i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/ME109.jpg

While I don't know if these multicam pictures on their site are touched up (I don't think they are), I do believe the lighting and background are carefully selected to best showcase the multicam.
I find the ACU is pretty good when the background is asphalt or rocky sand, I can take some pictures to illustrate how wonderful it is, and indeed it would be, but these pics do not tell the whole story.
We just need to remember that the stuff on a manufacturer's site is designed to sell its products, I doubt if they'd show how it sucks (if it does suck). When was the last time you went to dell.com and see Dell stating their customer satisfaction rating had dropped?

It's advertising, people!

True, the ACU worked fantastic in the graveled FOBs and when standing against the ACU rack at clothing sales. As for being a "universal" pattern, it's universally detected at great distance. The kids on the short bus could've done a better job with graph paper and a box of crayons. As far as any real concealment is concerned, the ACU sucks moose cock and gargles walrus cum. There, I said it.

Posted: 8/24/2006 7:25:07 PM EDT

[#12]

I don't want the ACU to fail...but I sure hope someone up there in the stratosphere with stars on their shoulders has been made aware there is a problem.

ACU can succeed as a "Universal Pattern", at least so much as that is possible...alll that needs to be done is tweak the colors a bit. For the troop's sake I hope this is done soon.

Posted: 8/24/2006 7:39:39 PM EDT

[#13]

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I don't want the ACU to fail...but I sure hope someone up there in the stratosphere with stars on their shoulders has been made aware there is a problem.

ACU can succeed as a "Universal Pattern", at least so much as that is possible...alll that needs to be done is tweak the colors a bit. For the troop's sake I hope this is done soon.

Thats the problem. They've gone full steam ahead pumping the ACU out without any soldier feedback, at least color wise.

Posted: 8/24/2006 11:16:45 PM EDT

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I hope it won't work so well your fellow drivers fail to notice your car and run into what they thought was a part of the road

uhm, i don't think the road is "sand with rocks" colored in az

Posted: 8/25/2006 11:43:45 AM EDT

[#15]

As soon as I get off work and doff my BDUs I'll get my MC's on and take a bunch of photos for you guys showing how they work in a real enviorment, not doc'd up or one of the sell images from the websites. ETA about 3-4 hours.

I love my MCs

Posted: 8/25/2006 1:57:06 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

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So what is it? Use two patterns or use MultiCam?

Does anyone even have ONE picture of multicam in nature that DID NOT come from the guys trying to sell it? Those obviously doctored photos always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Can you offer any proof of this?

OR is this just your uneducated assumption?

Give me a break! Look at their website - isolate JUST the uniform from the pictures, and compare them with each other. Unless they are claiming color-morphing technology, how else do you explain them?

Better yet - if Crye wants me to spend several hundred dollars ON A PAIR OF PANTS - they should be the ones offering proof.

why should they? they are not catering to you

Posted: 8/25/2006 3:00:35 PM EDT

[#17]

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Give me a break! Look at their website - isolate JUST the uniform from the pictures, and compare them with each other. Unless they are claiming color-morphing technology, how else do you explain them?

Better yet - if Crye wants me to spend several hundred dollars ON A PAIR OF PANTS - they should be the ones offering proof.

You obviously do not own a set of Multicam.I do.They do appear to be darker in some lighting situations than others.

Color morphing technology?No.Just well thought out.

Several hundred dollars for a pair of pants?You are mistaken.You can get a pair of Crye Multicam pants for $85.In short,buy a set and try them out before you make wild assumptions.

Posted: 8/25/2006 3:14:19 PM EDT

[#18]

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Hey! How the heck have you been?

why should they? they are not catering to you

Aint that the truth. I'd really love to see the numbers comparing their sales to private security folks and to airsofters.

We've had this discussion before - but I still think if thier product is as good as everyone says, those photos on their website cheapen it. If you offer a premium product, it should stand on its own merit. Staged camouflage tricks should be beneath them.

Posted: 8/31/2006 5:57:34 PM EDT

[#19]

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Again, I hear some who have claimed to have seen darker versions only to find out they're looking at them new vs. washed several times with the wrong detergent. I have to see it personally to believe it. Which I won't until the Army realizes it still need two seperate uniforms. IMHO, the Marines have it right, with two uniforms and gear in coyote that actually does do well in different environments. It's obvious to me that politics and/or a serious dumb-ass attack happened at the top because even a blind man can see multi-cam beats ACU hands down. So much for the press release bullshit about the ACU designed "for the soldier, by the soldier".

I just don't see the Army admitting it fucked up. It is a valiant attemp, but a utter failure.

So what is it? Use two patterns or use MultiCam?

Does anyone even have ONE picture of multicam in nature that DID NOT come from the guys trying to sell it? Those obviously doctored photos always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Multicam second from the left in both photos. US Army photos.

muzepix.com/ar/camo/ffw-comp2-sm.jpg

muzepix.com/ar/camo/ekspforest2wg.jpg

I have a few more of multicam collected from the 'net but they're airsofters and I don't want to get flamed.

What are the other patterns? Looks like a flek pattern to me - German or Danish?

-K

Posted: 8/31/2006 6:03:44 PM EDT

[#20]

Virginia National Guard Staff Sgt. Charles Prosser, 47, spots an unidentified truck coming up a hill east of the Nogales as he crouches down in a blanket of poppies in Nogales, Ariz. Francisco Medina / Tucson (Ariz.) Citizen / AP Photo

Posted: 8/31/2006 6:06:45 PM EDT

[#21]

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From the army.mil images today. I really don't know what to say about this one:

Staff Sgt. Jay Antenocruz, from the Guam Army National Guard, and a Kenyan soldier participate in Exercise Natural Fire in Nginyang, Kenya. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

www.army.mil/imagesource/2006/CSA-2006-08-23-084836.jpg

Funny how the only thing that blends in on the ACU's is the tan boots.

-K

Posted: 8/31/2006 6:59:57 PM EDT

[#22]

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Again, I hear some who have claimed to have seen darker versions only to find out they're looking at them new vs. washed several times with the wrong detergent. I have to see it personally to believe it. Which I won't until the Army realizes it still need two seperate uniforms. IMHO, the Marines have it right, with two uniforms and gear in coyote that actually does do well in different environments. It's obvious to me that politics and/or a serious dumb-ass attack happened at the top because even a blind man can see multi-cam beats ACU hands down. So much for the press release bullshit about the ACU designed "for the soldier, by the soldier".

I just don't see the Army admitting it fucked up. It is a valiant attemp, but a utter failure.

So what is it? Use two patterns or use MultiCam?

Does anyone even have ONE picture of multicam in nature that DID NOT come from the guys trying to sell it? Those obviously doctored photos always leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Multicam second from the left in both photos. US Army photos.

muzepix.com/ar/camo/ffw-comp2-sm.jpg

muzepix.com/ar/camo/ekspforest2wg.jpg

I have a few more of multicam collected from the 'net but they're airsofters and I don't want to get flamed.

What are the other patterns? Looks like a flek pattern to me - German or Danish?
-K

Those were the four finalists in the Army camo tests/trials a few years back. Other than multicam, the other three were .mil developed test patterns. Left to right in those pics was first through fourth place in their scoring. How they went from the first and second place finishers there, to ACU is hard to fathom.

Posted: 8/31/2006 7:18:10 PM EDT

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From the army.mil images today. I really don't know what to say about this one:

Staff Sgt. Jay Antenocruz, from the Guam Army National Guard, and a Kenyan soldier participate in Exercise Natural Fire in Nginyang, Kenya. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

www.army.mil/imagesource/2006/CSA-2006-08-23-084836.jpg

Funny how the only thing that blends in on the ACU's is the tan boots.

Maybe because the boots are the color of...dirt.

Who would have thought that something DIRT color would blend in anywhere there is...dirt

-K

Posted: 8/31/2006 10:55:14 PM EDT

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www.militarycity.com/frontline/photos/2006/08/30/083006front3.JPG
Virginia National Guard Staff Sgt. Charles Prosser, 47, spots an unidentified truck coming up a hill east of the Nogales as he crouches down in a blanket of poppies in Nogales, Ariz. Francisco Medina / Tucson (Ariz.) Citizen / AP Photo

Ok, in that place only Ronald McDonald and Bozo the clown wouldn't stand out.

Posted: 8/31/2006 11:01:29 PM EDT

[#25]

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From the army.mil images today. I really don't know what to say about this one:

Staff Sgt. Jay Antenocruz, from the Guam Army National Guard, and a Kenyan soldier participate in Exercise Natural Fire in Nginyang, Kenya. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

www.army.mil/imagesource/2006/CSA-2006-08-23-084836.jpg

Funny how the only thing that blends in on the ACU's is the tan boots.

-K

That's the only thing in that picture that doesn't quite stand out. And even those are noticeable. But, really everything is standing out.
And until we finally develop the predator type camo, this will continue to happen, no matter what type of camo satisfies the internet commandoes. Even deserts have grassy and green areas, and even Western Washington has brown areas, especially in the few months we don't get the rain.

Posted: 9/1/2006 7:19:40 AM EDT

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www.militarycity.com/frontline/photos/2006/08/30/083006front3.JPG
Virginia National Guard Staff Sgt. Charles Prosser, 47, spots an unidentified truck coming up a hill east of the Nogales as he crouches down in a blanket of poppies in Nogales, Ariz. Francisco Medina / Tucson (Ariz.) Citizen / AP Photo

Ok, in that place only Ronald McDonald and Bozo the clown wouldn't stand out.

Wrong. But why would you notice all the green shit in the pic when you're focused on the the artistic shot of yellow flowers?

Posted: 9/1/2006 3:04:34 PM EDT

[#27]

On the up side, with the ACU soldiers no longer have to wear road guard vests during road marches and directing traffic.

Posted: 9/1/2006 3:30:08 PM EDT

[#28]

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i110.photobucket.com/albums/n107/akrebs71/acu-pic02.jpg
Hmmmm. Worse than a sore thumb

While I am no fanboy of the chosen pattern (just the concept), I do not recognize the uniform frequently shown in this - and other - pics. I can only assume it must be the result of the intense flash used by photographers, but the uniform hanging next to me would actually blend in quite well to the ground, and be a little lighter than the background.

Another problem may be Soldiers ignoring the instructions not to use detergent with optical brighteners.

Yup...

I've had folks tell me my ACUs were 'dirty' (most of mine came in a more tan-ish color), and ask why I didn't wash them with some bleach (said folks have very BRIGHT white based uniforms)...

Of course, some of the same people insist on ironing theirs & put sheet-metal strips in behind the nameplates because it 'looks good'....

The cult of the .45 is now joined by the cult of the parade-pretty uniform....

Posted: 9/1/2006 3:36:50 PM EDT

[#29]

Saw a guy in town today who I think is a local NG member, his ACU's looked different than ones I've seen in the past. The light color actually looked like tan and the green was more distinct. Still didn't impress me, but looked a little better.

Posted: 9/1/2006 5:01:22 PM EDT

[#30]

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Saw a guy in town today who I think is a local NG member, his ACU's looked different than ones I've seen in the past. The light color actually looked like tan and the green was more distinct. Still didn't impress me, but looked a little better.

I have seen a local NG guy and he had the Tan/Green ACU's. Totally different from mine. Looked good.

Let's hope this is by design and not just manufacturer's varience/user care.

Posted: 9/1/2006 9:18:32 PM EDT

[#31]

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Saw a guy in town today who I think is a local NG member, his ACU's looked different than ones I've seen in the past. The light color actually looked like tan and the green was more distinct. Still didn't impress me, but looked a little better.

I have seen a local NG guy and he had the Tan/Green ACU's. Totally different from mine. Looked good.

Let's hope this is by design and not just manufacturer's varience/user care.

Honestly, I don't know where everyone is seeing all these variations. All I see is soldiers wearing brand new ACU's(slight hint of blueish-green) to washed out the ass(ivory white).

Posted: 9/1/2006 9:21:25 PM EDT

[#32]

The ACU camo is ok for Mout and urban, but I have a set of desert marpat and jungle marpat that works for me. The Army is just trying to make something work like multi-cam style BDU. I think that the Army would be better off if they just went with a set of Multi-cam.

Posted: 9/1/2006 9:29:14 PM EDT

[#33]

I agree completely, however it's obvious to me that politics were involved in the adoption of the ACU. If warfighter soldiers (captain and below) were asked for input, we wouldn't be wearing this garbage.

Posted: 9/1/2006 9:30:57 PM EDT

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One of the Marines on the board has said that Army SF prefers the Desert MCCU for desert missions.

Why is it that Marines are always so jealous of Army guys? Always have to say they are better.

Just a mystery to me. Must be some deep seated insecurity or something.

Marine MCCU's are better IMHO.

Posted: 9/1/2006 9:37:39 PM EDT

[#35]

I've officially worn both and yes MCCU's actually perform well where their supposed to.

I'm in the Army now and I can tell you the Army will not play second fiddle to anyone. No matter how screwed up the ACU is, they won't admit the shortcomings even though the average joe knew it from first sight.

Posted: 9/1/2006 10:19:55 PM EDT

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Saw a guy in town today who I think is a local NG member, his ACU's looked different than ones I've seen in the past. The light color actually looked like tan and the green was more distinct. Still didn't impress me, but looked a little better.

I have seen a local NG guy and he had the Tan/Green ACU's. Totally different from mine. Looked good.

Let's hope this is by design and not just manufacturer's varience/user care.

Honestly, I don't know where everyone is seeing all these variations. All I see is soldiers wearing brand new ACU's(slight hint of blueish-green) to washed out the ass(ivory white).

AGAIN with the negative waves, Moriarity...

Posted: 9/1/2006 10:27:26 PM EDT

[#37]

Sorry, it's a huge issue with me. I'll try control myself

Posted: 9/2/2006 12:05:28 PM EDT

[#38]

Sgt. 1st Class Cary Hathcock (center) and Sgts. David Cortes (left) and Fletcher Sergeant, North Carolina Army National Guard, observe the border with Mexico in San Luis, Ariz., as part of their duties with the U.S. Border Patrol. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

Posted: 9/2/2006 10:36:35 PM EDT

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www4.army.mil/OCPA/uploads/large/2006/CSA-2006-08-30-090519.jpg

Sgt. 1st Class Cary Hathcock (center) and Sgts. David Cortes (left) and Fletcher Sergeant, North Carolina Army National Guard, observe the border with Mexico in San Luis, Ariz., as part of their duties with the U.S. Border Patrol. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

Looks to me that the ACU on the left has more green than the one on the right.

ETA: You can see a definate difference between the shirt and pants on the guy in the middle.

-K

Posted: 9/3/2006 2:49:47 AM EDT

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www4.army.mil/OCPA/uploads/large/2006/CSA-2006-08-30-090519.jpg

Sgt. 1st Class Cary Hathcock (center) and Sgts. David Cortes (left) and Fletcher Sergeant, North Carolina Army National Guard, observe the border with Mexico in San Luis, Ariz., as part of their duties with the U.S. Border Patrol. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

Looks to me that the ACU on the left has more green than the one on the right.

ETA: You can see a definate difference between the shirt and pants on the guy in the middle.

-K

I have 2 official issue NIB sets of ACU that a guy from 173rd ABN gave me: in both sets pants are a little bit darker than the shirts.

Posted: 9/3/2006 6:30:20 AM EDT

[#41]

ive heard that if you put them in the dryer that they fade out quick. i think the laundering instructions say hang dry. my old lady put some in once though, being lazy, but i dont think they got messed up. you know how the old bdus turned into cook whites, the acus will be super bright with no dark at all in them.

Posted: 9/3/2006 7:34:43 AM EDT

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www4.army.mil/OCPA/uploads/large/2006/CSA-2006-08-30-090519.jpg

Sgt. 1st Class Cary Hathcock (center) and Sgts. David Cortes (left) and Fletcher Sergeant, North Carolina Army National Guard, observe the border with Mexico in San Luis, Ariz., as part of their duties with the U.S. Border Patrol. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

Looks to me that the ACU on the left has more green than the one on the right.

ETA: You can see a definate difference between the shirt and pants on the guy in the middle.

-K

I have 2 official issue NIB sets of ACU that a guy from 173rd ABN gave me: in both sets pants are a little bit darker than the shirts.

Thats goofy. Can you tell if the tops and bottorm are of the same manufacturer?

-K

Posted: 9/4/2006 2:56:16 AM EDT

[#43]

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www4.army.mil/OCPA/uploads/large/2006/CSA-2006-08-30-090519.jpg

Sgt. 1st Class Cary Hathcock (center) and Sgts. David Cortes (left) and Fletcher Sergeant, North Carolina Army National Guard, observe the border with Mexico in San Luis, Ariz., as part of their duties with the U.S. Border Patrol. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

Looks to me that the ACU on the left has more green than the one on the right.

ETA: You can see a definate difference between the shirt and pants on the guy in the middle.

-K

I have 2 official issue NIB sets of ACU that a guy from 173rd ABN gave me: in both sets pants are a little bit darker than the shirts.

Thats goofy. Can you tell if the tops and bottorm are of the same manufacturer?

-K

no, everything came from different manufacturers:

1st ACU set:
- top "Bethel Industries, inc." (white label)
- bottom "contractor: Unicor, Beaumont TX / manufacturer: N.C.E.D." (green label)

pic1 top label
pic2 top label

pic3 bottom label
pic4 bottom label

pic5 color difference - coat on the left, trousers on the right

2nd ACU set:
- top "Tullahoma Industries, LLC" (white label)
- bottom "Woolrich, Inc" (white label)

pic6 top label
pic7 top label

pic8 bottom label
pic9 bottom label

edit to add a nice pics I stole from the "AR15 pics thread"

Posted: 9/4/2006 3:52:29 AM EDT

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Ding, ding, ding... A perfect example of the ACU's shortcomings.

Hey, at least we don't have to wear cammie paint on exposed skin anymore, what would be the point?

a buddy of mine who was a medic with the 173rd AB told me his entire battalion (the inf. batt. he worked for) was forced to face paint up in GREEN paint when they jumped into N. Iraq in 2003

the whole point of face paint is to reduce the shininess of human skin. that and to break up the pattern. when they jumped into n. iraq, they probably did it by the cover of dark. green shows up a lot less than fleshy pink at night.

Posted: 9/4/2006 8:46:41 AM EDT

[#45]

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www4.army.mil/OCPA/uploads/large/2006/CSA-2006-08-30-090519.jpg

Sgt. 1st Class Cary Hathcock (center) and Sgts. David Cortes (left) and Fletcher Sergeant, North Carolina Army National Guard, observe the border with Mexico in San Luis, Ariz., as part of their duties with the U.S. Border Patrol. This photo appeared on www.army.mil.

Looks to me that the ACU on the left has more green than the one on the right.

ETA: You can see a definate difference between the shirt and pants on the guy in the middle.

-K

I have 2 official issue NIB sets of ACU that a guy from 173rd ABN gave me: in both sets pants are a little bit darker than the shirts.

Thats goofy. Can you tell if the tops and bottorm are of the same manufacturer?

-K

no, everything came from different manufacturers:

1st ACU set:
- top "Bethel Industries, inc." (white label)
- bottom "contractor: Unicor, Beaumont TX / manufacturer: N.C.E.D." (green label)

pic1 top label
pic2 top label

pic3 bottom label
pic4 bottom label

pic5 color difference - coat on the left, trousers on the right

2nd ACU set:
- top "Tullahoma Industries, LLC" (white label)
- bottom "Woolrich, Inc" (white label)

pic6 top label
pic7 top label

pic8 bottom label
pic9 bottom label

edit to add a nice pics I stole from the "AR15 pics thread"

img369.imageshack.us/img369/8601/p3280011om1.jpg

What's up with that guys helmet cover? Doesn't look like ARPAT to me.

-K

Posted: 9/4/2006 10:28:43 AM EDT

[#46]

Here is a pic I took at a Tactical match (200-1000 yards) yesterday:

Woodland cammo sucks for this area. The guy in the upper part of the pic is wearing BDU's and he stuck out like a sore thumb.

The guy in the middle is wearing issue ACU trousers. Sad to say they do not even conceal against the grey gravel. I could see him from hundreds of yards away.

Tan, such as the guy at the bottom is wearing, stood out too much also.

Several shooters were wearing Desert Marpat, such as the guy to the left of ACU dude, and this was by far the best cammo out there.

Posted: 9/4/2006 10:39:08 AM EDT

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Here is a pic I took at a Tactical match (200-1000 yards) yesterday:

i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/AyeGuy/pic1.jpg

Woodland cammo sucks for this area. The guy in the upper part of the pic is wearing BDU's and he stuck out like a sore thumb.

The guy in the middle is wearing issue ACU trousers. Sad to say they do not even conceal against the grey gravel. I could see him from hundreds of yards away.

Tan, such as the guy at the bottom is wearing, stood out too much also.

Several shooters were wearing Desert Marpat, such as the guy to the left of ACU dude, and this was by far the best cammo out there.

from the limited pics of your area, looks like multicam or maybe the british desert camo would work well.

Posted: 9/4/2006 11:02:12 AM EDT

[#48]

The guy in the ACU at that tac match looks like he has had his legs broken lol

Posted: 9/4/2006 11:12:39 AM EDT

[#49]

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The guy in the ACU at that tac match looks like he has had his legs broken lol

probably at sniper school for having his heels in the air.

Posted: 9/4/2006 11:56:03 AM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Here is a pic I took at a Tactical match (200-1000 yards) yesterday:

i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/AyeGuy/pic1.jpg

Woodland cammo sucks for this area. The guy in the upper part of the pic is wearing BDU's and he stuck out like a sore thumb.

The guy in the middle is wearing issue ACU trousers. Sad to say they do not even conceal against the grey gravel. I could see him from hundreds of yards away.

Tan, such as the guy at the bottom is wearing, stood out too much also.

Several shooters were wearing Desert Marpat, such as the guy to the left of ACU dude, and this was by far the best cammo out there.

from the limited pics of your area, looks like multicam or maybe the british desert camo would work well.

Never tried Multicam.

Desert Tiger Stripe reigns supreme for CA, IMHO.

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