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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2021 11:47:59 AM EDT
I have a Rem 870 that I had converted to an AOW back when I lived in a state that did not allow SBSs. I've since moved to a less restrictive state and would like to take that AOW and make it an SBS via Form 1. Anybody know of this is possible? FWIW, the AOW was done on a Form 4.
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Posted: 9/14/2021 12:03:21 PM EDT
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Yup, just form 1 it as normal.
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Posted: 9/14/2021 1:33:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vengarr: Yup, just form 1 it as normal. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 1:35:37 PM EDT
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new stamp. May as well keep it an AOW and do something else with SBS if you have more donors. Then you got options.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2021 1:39:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steviesterno16: new stamp. May as well keep it an AOW and do something else with SBS if you have more donors. Then you got options. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2021 1:47:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vengarr: Yup, just form 1 it as normal. Since this is already on a Form 4 are there any nuances that should be considered when submitting the Form 1? |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 1:53:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steviesterno16: May as well keep it an AOW and do something else with SBS if you have more donors. Then you got options. AOWs don't need a 5320.20 to travel interstate, but SBSs do. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2021 2:53:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: +1 AOWs don't need a 5320.20 to travel interstate, but SBSs do. Eh, I have no intention of traveling with a shotgun. Handguns and rifles fill that roll better anyway. The AOW was cool when it was the only NFA item I was able to own. Now, not so much. It really needs a stock to be usable. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 3:35:31 PM EDT
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If it’s even slightly collectible or cool I’d sell the AOW and form 1 a different gun but I understand the simplicity of just working with what you have on hand. Seems like a waste to have gone through the wait and paperwork just to do it again.
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Posted: 9/14/2021 4:09:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KM6: Since this is already on a Form 4 are there any nuances that should be considered when submitting the Form 1? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2021 4:52:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KM6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: If it’s even slightly collectible or cool I’d sell the AOW and form 1 a different gun but I understand the simplicity of just working with what you have on hand. Seems like a waste to have gone through the wait and paperwork just to do it again. Just a regular old Remington 870, nothing special. If I convert the AOW I'm out $200 plus the cost of a buttstock but it will allow me to get use out of an otherwise useless gun. If I keep the AOW and SBS another gun I'm still out $200 plus the cost of a gun and the AOW will most likely collect dust in the back of my safe in perpetuity. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 4:59:19 PM EDT
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What's wrong with selling it?
Someone might actually want to buy it in-state, and of course the transfer tax is only $5. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2021 6:04:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: What's wrong with selling it? Someone might actually want to buy it in-state, and of course the transfer tax is only $5. Nothing in particular. I may explore that option. So the tax stamp cost would stay at $5, even when transferring between individuals? |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 6:20:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KM6: So the tax stamp cost would stay at $5, even when transferring between individuals? |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 9:21:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KM6: So the tax stamp cost would stay at $5, even when transferring between individuals? An AOW being transferred is the one $5 option out there. Doesn’t matter who it’s transferring from or to, assuming it’s a paid transfer. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 9:22:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KM6: Since this is already on a Form 4 are there any nuances that should be considered when submitting the Form 1? To clarify…it’s not “on a Form 4”. That’s just the last form it transferred on. The next transaction won’t care about the last one. |
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Posted: 9/14/2021 9:24:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon: To clarify…it’s not “on a Form 4”. That’s just the last form it transferred on. The next transaction won’t care about the last one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon: Originally Posted By KM6: Since this is already on a Form 4 are there any nuances that should be considered when submitting the Form 1? To clarify…it’s not “on a Form 4”. That’s just the last form it transferred on. The next transaction won’t care about the last one. It's somewhat common terminology. I usually hear it in regards to a gun being on a Form 3 ready to transfer out of state. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2021 9:46:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon: To clarify…it’s not “on a Form 4”. That’s just the last form it transferred on. The next transaction won’t care about the last one. Thanks for clarifying. |
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Posted: 9/15/2021 10:50:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: It's somewhat common terminology. I usually hear it in regards to a gun being on a Form 3 ready to transfer out of state. I know what it’s meant to say. But that doesn’t make it correct. For example, I could make an SBS after filing a Form 1. Then I could transfer it to a SOT using a Form 4. Then they could transfer it to another SOT using a Form 3. Then that second SOT could transfer it to a non-SOT (an individual, an entity, and even a “regular” FFL) using a Form 4. That first SOT I transferred it to could’ve transferred it to an in-state buyer using a Form 4 instead of sending it to another SOT on the Form 3. So…it’s never really “on a Form 1/3/4/5”, that’s just the most recent transaction. All depends on who the transferee and transferor are for the next transaction, which determines which forms can/will be used. |
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Posted: 9/15/2021 10:15:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Homeinvader]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steviesterno16: new stamp. May as well keep it an AOW and do something else with SBS if you have more donors. Then you got options. I’d follow this advice. In Form 1ing an existing AOW into an SBS, you are hurting the resale value and killing demand of the AOW. AOWs transfer for $5, so that alone makes them more desireable on the market. Remington 870-based AOWs are not exactly super-common since the Title I host gun needs to be a virgin receiver or a stockless model. As you stated, several states allow AOW but not SBS, so your gun as an AOW would be open to more buyers. And any shotgun can be turned into an SBS easily on a Form 1, so what would make someone want to buy yours on a Form 4 (or 2 Form 4s)? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2021 3:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Homeinvader: I’d follow this advice. In Form 1ing an existing AOW into an SBS, you are hurting the resale value and killing demand of the AOW. AOWs transfer for $5, so that alone makes them more desireable on the market. Remington 870-based AOWs are not exactly super-common since the Title I host gun needs to be a virgin receiver or a stockless model. As you stated, several states allow AOW but not SBS, so your gun as an AOW would be open to more buyers. And any shotgun can be turned into an SBS easily on a Form 1, so what would make someone want to buy yours on a Form 4 (or 2 Form 4s)? You bring up some good points, although I think the market growth of the "firearm" class of shotguns has actually diminished the value of true AOWs. Why go through the registration process if I can just go pick up a Shockwave over the counter? |
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Posted: 9/16/2021 4:06:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KM6: Why go through the registration process if I can just go pick up a Shockwave over the counter? And if you've already got a bunch of NFA registered firearms, what's one more going to hurt? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2021 4:52:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: Because the gun itself is (and can legally be) shorter in length. And if you've already got a bunch of NFA registered firearms, what's one more going to hurt? Yes, but shorter doesn't automatically make it better or more desirable. And barrier to entry matters regardless of previous NFA ownership status. This is starting to veer a little off topic though. IBTL 
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Posted: 9/16/2021 4:54:11 PM EDT
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That’s why I like them. If I’m going less than 18” it’s going to be short short
Or Super Short |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2021 9:13:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: That’s why I like them. If I’m going less than 18” it’s going to be short short Or Super Short I see what you did there 
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:39:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DashDot]
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I know this is an old thread but seems like knowledgeable folks can chime in here.
I have a tac-14. It used to be an option to have a sb folder and pistol brace. That went away and now it’s just the sb brace. Could i $5 AOW it and add a folder, leave the brace on, and add a vfg? Comeon thread revival. ETA: looks like it’s $200 to go that route.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 4:29:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KitBuilder]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dash_ISpy: Could i $5 AOW it and add a folder, leave the brace on, and add a vfg? ETA: looks like it's $200 to go that route. If your buddy, the local 07/02 SOT, will F2 your new AOW for you, and then you pay the $5 F4 transfer, that'd be the best way to have a new (or just newly registered) AOW. (It'll count against your buddy's 50-gun annual FET exemption, so if he manufactures 50 or more guns that year, he'll have to pay the Federal Excise Tax on all of them.) |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 4:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: Yes, it's $200 to Form 1 a new AOW or SBS, so if you're going the F1 route you might as well make a SBS. If your buddy, the local 07/02 SOT, will F2 your new AOW for you, and then you pay the $5 F4 transfer, that'd be the best way to have a new (or just newly registered) AOW. (It'll count against your buddy's 50-gun annual FET exemption, so if he manufactures more than 50 guns that year, he'll have to pay the Federal Excise Tax on all of them.) Right on. Thank you for the detailed response. Much appreciated. 
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