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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:47:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joshua_CapitolArmory: I can. The quick synopsis is a lot of folks have a misunderstanding of what and why this is the case. If you order one item at once and pay $30 for shipping, that doesn't even cover the hard costs of shipping for one package. Two to three items on one shipment, not much more cost on our end... so no problem there. We eat a bit, but no big deal. The issue involves multiple items on one order that get approved in quick succession, but folks choose not to wait even a few minutes, hours, or days. Now, instead of one 4473, one CLEO notice, and one shipment, it doubles everything, in turn costing us substantially more in both hard costs and employee time. It's also a labor-intensive process and significantly slows down everything. We just ask that folks expecting another approval in the very near future exercise just a bit of patience because it saves everyone involved substantial time and money. We aren't asking people to wait six months, or demanding they pay extra for arbitrary reasons. The ATF also does screwy things, and we aren't trying to profit off of random delays... but if they want to have expedited service and double the labor and costs, we simply ask they help cover that. (Again, we're talking about approvals that are expected to happen all about the same time... many times the notifications are within minutes or hours apart.) But I really don't want to wait a week to fill out my 4473 just in case another F4 is approved during that time. I paid shipping for three separate orders. That should cover mailing the three 4473s. Then if they are all in process for the waiting period, ship all the cans in the same box at the end. It's still going to cost less than if the three cans were approved each a month apart. I don't get where an extra $39 shipping charge is coming from for three separate orders that each had their own shipping charges. That would be kind of like my local dealer charging me extra over the three transfer fees because he had to do them all at the same time. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:07:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: Yeah, I don't mind that. I just had my Sonus and Tirant from separate orders delivered in the same box last week. But did they give you a notice that they wanted to charge you an extra $39 when you logged in to fill out your 4473? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: Originally Posted By Glocked: I should be getting 3 delivered today from 3 separate orders today with 3 separate shipping charges. I paid X price and they'll be delivered for that price. If Capitol can make a few extra bucks, or not lose money during the process, I don't mind. But did they give you a notice that they wanted to charge you an extra $39 when you logged in to fill out your 4473? Yes, but I’d seen a thread last month on r/NFA where CA explained it applied to multiple suppressors purchased on the same order. Not multiple different orders with multiple different shipping charges paid. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 10:57:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Yes, but I'd seen a thread last month on r/NFA where CA explained it applied to multiple suppressors purchased on the same order. Not multiple different orders with multiple different shipping charges paid. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 6:25:53 PM EDT
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Still waiting on my cleo notification. Hopefully that comes soon.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 11:01:00 AM EDT
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Has anyone certified with CA in the past couple days? Heard there are some issues with the other guys due to eForms mods or changes.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2024 11:50:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: Has anyone certified with CA in the past couple days? Heard there are some issues with the other guys due to eForms mods or changes. I called back the next day and had no problems. They said it randomly happened to some people but not everyone. I certified another later in the week and everything went smoothly. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2024 4:55:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: Has anyone certified with CA in the past couple days? Heard there are some issues with the other guys due to eForms mods or changes. We’ll see. I just bought my first can from them yesterday, if the process is painless and the ATF approval times stay quick I’ll be wearing out my CC with them. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:32:31 PM EDT
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If the problem you’re referring to is the Silencer shop certification issue, that only started on Friday 3/29, when ATF changed the form for individual submissions only. Anything before that date, or for trusts, is something not related. Hopefully CA can clear this up, but my experience certifying with CA is that they are doing a screen share with the actual eForm on the ATF site, so any changes in the form don’t really matter. You see the form as it is and simply answer the questions as they are, and they manually use the next button to step through the pages. My impression with SS is they are using some software that overlays, or ties into, the eForm that highlights the boxes you have to answer, auto refreshes every time you answer a question, and once their software senses all of the questions are answered, it automatically moves to the next page. This is what’s failing on SS. The software isn’t registering that the last question is answered, doesn’t refresh, and won’t move to the next page. I asked my dealer about simply manually pushing the next button on the bottom of the page, but he said that would screw it up. It seems like SS designed the certification process to only work with their Full Auto software and you can’t certify without their software functioning properly.
This was my first SS can purchase in a long time, having used CA for recent purchases over the last couple of years. The can I bought was actually in stock at the dealer, so no waiting for Form 3. I figured it would be pay, a quick certify, and then I can pick it up as soon as it’s approved. I’m done with SS after this, even if they’re cheaper. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2024 7:43:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: We'll see. I just bought my first can from them yesterday, if the process is painless and the ATF approval times stay quick I'll be wearing out my CC with them. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2024 7:46:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: If the problem you're referring to is the Silencer shop certification issue, that only started on Friday 3/29, when ATF changed the form for individual submissions only. Anything before that date, or for trusts, is something not related. Hopefully CA can clear this up, but my experience certifying with CA is that they are doing a screen share with the actual eForm on the ATF site, so any changes in the form don't really matter. You see the form as it is and simply answer the questions as they are, and they manually use the next button to step through the pages. My impression with SS is they are using some software that overlays, or ties into, the eForm that highlights the boxes you have to answer, auto refreshes every time you answer a question, and once their software senses all of the questions are answered, it automatically moves to the next page. This is what's failing on SS. The software isn't registering that the last question is answered, doesn't refresh, and won't move to the next page. I asked my dealer about simply manually pushing the next button on the bottom of the page, but he said that would screw it up. It seems like SS designed the certification process to only work with their Full Auto software and you can't certify without their software functioning properly. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:34:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Sierra5]
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Sweet, time to certify.
Was 11th and took about 18 minutes. Guy was awesome to talk with. Now the approval wait. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:52:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Yes, but I’d seen a thread last month on r/NFA where CA explained it applied to multiple suppressors purchased on the same order. Not multiple different orders with multiple different shipping charges paid. This is correct. The "problems" arise when someone has say, 4 silencers on one order. Maybe 3 22 cans and a can on promotion. $29 is paid to ship all 4. Say the approvals come in within a 24 hour period, but they want to do 4 separate 4473s, 4 CLEO notices, and 4 different shipments. It starts getting real expensive and quite labor-intensive. Waiting a day or so to fill out the 4473 would resolve everything. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 7:16:21 PM EDT
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FYI, do not use your State Police Commander as your CLEO any more. I just got this notice about my recent 4473. I used the State Police as it was on my Form 4 (as I've always done and I think Joshua recommended earlier somewhere in this thread)
We reviewed your 4473, and unfortunately, the information provided prohibits us from beginning the transfer process. The CLEO you selected does not have jurisdiction in the city or county where you reside. Please refer to the approval email to log in and begin the 4473 again. Please visit your county sheriff's website and provide their correct mailing address. PLEASE NOTE: Due to mandates from the NFA branch of the ATF, the state police, highway patrol, and department of public safety will no longer be accepted as CLEO options |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 7:27:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: FYI, do not use your State Police Commander as your CLEO any more. I just got this notice about my recent 4473. I used the State Police as it was on my Form 4 (as I've always done and I think Joshua recommended earlier somewhere in this thread) I got the same email for a 4473 I just did except it was for my sheriff. One sheriff resigned (I’m thinking cancer), his appointee served until DeSantis appointed our now current sheriff last month. I knew we’d switched sheriffs once, but I’ve been out of town for almost two months and didn’t know we’d switched again in late February. The new guy’s info wasn’t in their system, so I had to fill it all out. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 7:39:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: FYI, do not use your State Police Commander as your CLEO any more. I just got this notice about my recent 4473. I used the State Police as it was on my Form 4 (as I've always done and I think Joshua recommended earlier somewhere in this thread) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: FYI, do not use your State Police Commander as your CLEO any more. I just got this notice about my recent 4473. I used the State Police as it was on my Form 4 (as I've always done and I think Joshua recommended earlier somewhere in this thread) We reviewed your 4473, and unfortunately, the information provided prohibits us from beginning the transfer process. The CLEO you selected does not have jurisdiction in the city or county where you reside. Please refer to the approval email to log in and begin the 4473 again. Please visit your county sheriff's website and provide their correct mailing address. PLEASE NOTE: Due to mandates from the NFA branch of the ATF, the state police, highway patrol, and department of public safety will no longer be accepted as CLEO options That's interesting because in NH, the sheriff is really just a guy who runs the jail with his deputies transporting prisoners/serving paperwork. No real LE role. Meanwhile, many towns do not have police departments and contract with NHSP for emergency response and a couple hours of patrolling-like mine. Note taken though-will use the sheriff. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 8:03:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: That's interesting because in NH, the sheriff is really just a guy who runs the jail with his deputies transporting prisoners/serving paperwork. No real LE role. Meanwhile, many towns do not have police departments and contract with NHSP for emergency response and a couple hours of patrolling-like mine. Note taken though-will use the sheriff. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 8:03:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: Well, I think the point is, use the CLEO info from the dropdown list that CA gives you (assuming that's up to date unlike Carboard Killer's). That is vetted by them for ATF blessing I guess. They said the ATF has gotten very particular. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: Originally Posted By FDC: That's interesting because in NH, the sheriff is really just a guy who runs the jail with his deputies transporting prisoners/serving paperwork. No real LE role. Meanwhile, many towns do not have police departments and contract with NHSP for emergency response and a couple hours of patrolling-like mine. Note taken though-will use the sheriff.
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Posted: 4/2/2024 8:05:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: FYI, do not use your State Police Commander as your CLEO any more. I just got this notice about my recent 4473. I used the State Police as it was on my Form 4 (as I've always done and I think Joshua recommended earlier somewhere in this thread) This is disappointing. The 4473 sent to my sheriff's office usually takes two or more attempts and a week or more to get proof of delivery whereas the state police is usually just a few days. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 8:23:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WVUSIG: This is disappointing. The 4473 sent to my sheriff's office usually takes two or more attempts and a week or more to get proof of delivery whereas the state police is usually just a few days. It's just more ATF security theater. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 8:52:42 PM EDT
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Finally got my griffin recce 5k delivered today. Submitted back in October. The whole process with capital armory was very convenient and pretty simple. I have an explorer 223 pending as well. Highly recommend this to your door process.
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Posted: 4/2/2024 9:12:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sierra5]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: FYI, do not use your State Police Commander as your CLEO any more. I just got this notice about my recent 4473. I used the State Police as it was on my Form 4 (as I've always done and I think Joshua recommended earlier somewhere in this thread) Hey @Joshua_Capitolarmory, any info on this? What’s happening with the forms that have it on there. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 9:31:07 PM EDT
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What do I do now?
I got the digital fingerprints done, didn’t see anywhere to upload the .etf file. Called CA and was told by the rep to just email them the file. Order still says “Awaiting Profile and/or Prints”. Did I miss something? |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 10:18:24 PM EDT
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In Maryland the law used to require NFA sign off to be done by the state police, and they still do a MG license at state level. It should not be problem here.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 10:53:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: FYI, do not use your State Police Commander as your CLEO any more. I just got this notice about my recent 4473. I used the State Police as it was on my Form 4 (as I've always done and I think Joshua recommended earlier somewhere in this thread) Is this on the eForm 4 too, or just on the 4473 form? CA hasn’t really given me the option on the submitted eForm 4. They fill in the State police, even as recently as a submission a week ago. For the 4473 form, I use my county sheriff for CLEO. Think last year, I had to manually fill it in, but this year it was in the drop down. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:25:19 AM EDT
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I received two approved Form 4s in February and 2 more in March. All 4 approved Form 4s had my state police chief on the actual Form 4, but for the non over the counter post approval 4473 we have used my local county sheriff. Takes about 7 or 8 days for my county sheriff to accept/receive the certified mail, but it is what it is. Not having to leave the house for my suppressors has been great!
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:56:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StaccatoC2: In Maryland the law used to require NFA sign off to be done by the state police, and they still do a MG license at state level. It should not be problem here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StaccatoC2: In Maryland the law used to require NFA sign off to be done by the state police, and they still do a MG license at state level. It should not be problem here. Originally Posted By willi3d: Is this on the eForm 4 too, or just on the 4473 form? CA hasn't really given me the option on the submitted eForm 4. They fill in the State police, even as recently as a submission a week ago. For the 4473 form, I use my county sheriff for CLEO. Think last year, I had to manually fill it in, but this year it was in the drop down. Basically, select their recommendation from the dropdown list where you select your state and county when you do the 4473. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 7:24:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: What do I do now? I got the digital fingerprints done, didn’t see anywhere to upload the .etf file. Called CA and was told by the rep to just email them the file. Order still says “Awaiting Profile and/or Prints”. Did I miss something? All your RP info like prints and photos will be uploaded to the second account you’ll create with them, with the link they send you after your first purchase. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 10:01:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Mblades]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: All your RP info like prints and photos will be uploaded to the second account you’ll create with them, with the link they send you after your first purchase. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By Mblades: What do I do now? I got the digital fingerprints done, didn’t see anywhere to upload the .etf file. Called CA and was told by the rep to just email them the file. Order still says “Awaiting Profile and/or Prints”. Did I miss something? All your RP info like prints and photos will be uploaded to the second account you’ll create with them, with the link they send you after your first purchase. I already did that, didn’t realize it was a totally separate system. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:47:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Sierra5]
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2 day approval, less than 48 hours.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 12:11:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sierra5: 2 day approval, less than 48 hours. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124206/1C27FDF9-62F5-42CC-AA4E-06FA19AC56DB-3177119.jpg |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 1:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: Well, I think the point is, use the CLEO info from the dropdown list that CA gives you when you enter your state and county (assuming that's up to date unlike Carboard Killer's). That is vetted by them for ATF blessing I guess. They said the ATF has gotten very particular. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: Originally Posted By FDC: That's interesting because in NH, the sheriff is really just a guy who runs the jail with his deputies transporting prisoners/serving paperwork. No real LE role. Meanwhile, many towns do not have police departments and contract with NHSP for emergency response and a couple hours of patrolling-like mine. Note taken though-will use the sheriff. My CLEO was not in the drop down menu. I had to manually enter it in. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 1:43:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sierra5: 2 day approval, less than 48 hours. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124206/1C27FDF9-62F5-42CC-AA4E-06FA19AC56DB-3177119.jpg wow cool. I had one of those out of the 3 I had out there. still waiting on the other two going on 12 days now. Funny before I was happy at 100 days. now its like where is my 30 min approval...proves were never happy I guess. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 1:44:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bad2006z71: My CLEO was not in the drop down menu. I had to manually enter it in. Me too. I find it hard to believe I am the first one in my county to use CA. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 2:07:44 PM EDT
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Regarding the CLEO nonsense... the short answer is the ATF is difficult.
The ATF defines CLEO as what you see on the normal Form 4. Sheriff, Chief, head of state police, AGs, etc. The ATF said you're good, in writing, with all these people. That was cool for a decade, then they said "NO! Sheriff, Chief, or State Police only!" Fine. Ok ATF, we'll use those three even if it's not what we have in writing from you. Then it was "You can't pick! The customer has to pick!" That was followed by "You can't tell them to use the state police, but if they pick it then that's ok, we can't stop it." Now they're on the kick of "Use the Sheriff or Police Chief!" That's the rule! (Well it's not really the rule, but we'll say it is and be a problem unless you do exactly what we want.) It would be much easier if we could just pick the head of state police who was good at receiving notices... but alas, we have to listen to our overlords demands. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 2:29:48 PM EDT
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So sheriff or chief now only?
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Posted: 4/3/2024 2:43:02 PM EDT
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It is best to just put what agency would respond to your address if your dialed 911.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 2:48:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joshua_CapitolArmory: It is best to just put what agency would respond to your address if your dialed 911.   Sorry, that's not helpful. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:04:39 PM EDT
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Is there any Capitol discount codes out there. Went through check out and the $30 shipping made me double take.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:50:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azhunter13: Is there any Capitol discount codes out there. Went through check out and the $30 shipping made me double take. It’s a sellers market. With 48 hour approvals they could tack on an extra 25% and still be selling suppressors like hot cakes. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:50:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kgknight1037: Finally got my griffin recce 5k delivered today. Submitted back in October. The whole process with capital armory was very convenient and pretty simple. I have an explorer 223 pending as well. Highly recommend this to your door process. Glad to hear you got your cans. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 12:03:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joshua_CapitolArmory: It is best to just put what agency would respond to your address if your dialed 911. For my recent paper form 4, state police was used instead of my county sheriff. Do you think the form will get kicked back? |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 12:14:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: It’s a sellers market. With 48 hour approvals they could tack on an extra 25% and still be selling suppressors like hot cakes. Give me a 25% discount for a year wait and I’d be sold |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 7:10:06 AM EDT
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This thread is making my wallet twitch
How the hell do I get electronic finger prints to be able to do this? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 7:57:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarCityShooter: This thread is making my wallet twitch How the hell do I get electronic finger prints to be able to do this? You can do one set of paper prints and send them to CA, who will digitize them and use them for all submissions. Or, if you can go to a place like printscan, who has fingerprint kiosks at a number of places like some UPS stores and get your prints taken and get the digital file yourself. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:04:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeepsnguns81: For my recent paper form 4, state police was used instead of my county sheriff. Do you think the form will get kicked back? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:36:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: You can do one set of paper prints and send them to CA, who will digitize them and use them for all submissions. Or, if you can go to a place like printscan, who has fingerprint kiosks at a number of places like some UPS stores and get your prints taken and get the digital file yourself. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: Originally Posted By StarCityShooter: This thread is making my wallet twitch How the hell do I get electronic finger prints to be able to do this? You can do one set of paper prints and send them to CA, who will digitize them and use them for all submissions. Or, if you can go to a place like printscan, who has fingerprint kiosks at a number of places like some UPS stores and get your prints taken and get the digital file yourself. @Starcityshooter I went the route willi3d outlined above and found a UPS store not too far away. My fingers are pretty worn so it wasn’t as simple as it should have been but I’ve run into that problem with ink prints too. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:40:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: @Starcityshooter I went the route willi3d outlined above and found a UPS store not too far away. My fingers are pretty worn so it wasn’t as simple as it should have been but I’ve run into that problem with ink prints too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By willi3d: Originally Posted By StarCityShooter: This thread is making my wallet twitch How the hell do I get electronic finger prints to be able to do this? You can do one set of paper prints and send them to CA, who will digitize them and use them for all submissions. Or, if you can go to a place like printscan, who has fingerprint kiosks at a number of places like some UPS stores and get your prints taken and get the digital file yourself. @Starcityshooter I went the route willi3d outlined above and found a UPS store not too far away. My fingers are pretty worn so it wasn’t as simple as it should have been but I’ve run into that problem with ink prints too. Thanks fellas!  Off to find a UPS store local that does it |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:47:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azhunter13: Is there any Capitol discount codes out there. Went through check out and the $30 shipping made me double take. You also aren't paying a transfer fee, and someone is still doing all the paperwork and verifying it is correct. (for example they caught my 4473 before sending it because I had the wrong CLEO) |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 10:19:06 AM EDT
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My shipping was $20 via UPS. Did they raise the shipping cost, or you just chose the $30 option instead of a cheaper one?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 12:04:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: My shipping was $20 via UPS. Did they raise the shipping cost, or you just chose the $30 option instead of a cheaper one? |
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