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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:08:17 AM EDT
[#1]
The basic CA3 is on sale now for $939-even though these are rumored to be built by PTR for a few hundred more I can have one I know is built by PTR and stamped PTR.
I’ll be passing on this offering from Century. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 6:33:05 PM EDT
[#2]
The rifles are built by PTR under contract for Century .
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:28:50 AM EDT
[#3]
There are enough HK91 clones out there, I’m more interested in a HK93 clone.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:24:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: N_Parker]
[#4]
Yep... Need 93/53/33
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:37:29 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: There are enough HK91 clones out there, I'm more interested in a HK93 clone. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:37:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:18:01 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: There are enough HK91 clones out there, I’m more interested in a HK93 clone. x1000x. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:01:05 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By N_Parker: Yep... Need 93/53/33 Well said. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:25:11 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: The rifles are built by PTR under contract for Century . https://atlanticfirearms.com/media/cache/sylius_shop_product_original/product/century-arms-ca3-308-para-rifle-1.jpg What will these run? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cms81586: What will these run? https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-arms-ca3-308-para-rifle |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 2:18:17 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: They've been for sale for a few days. https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-arms-ca3-308-para-rifle Yeah I saw them after I posted. Those look like ass. For the price you think they’d hit them with a little cerakote at least. Guess I’ll keep waiting for MKE or Zenith to eventually offer a new G3. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:27:05 PM EDT
[#12]
I will wait for a G3 clone or a Zenith that has a chrome lined barrel.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 1:18:32 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By themao: I will wait for a G3 clone or a Zenith that has a chrome lined barrel. Zenith has their G3 clone listed on their website now. No price or mention of chrome lining, but the barrel is CHF. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 1:30:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By themao: I will wait for a G3 clone or a Zenith that has a chrome lined barrel. Even HK never built a single G3, HK91, or 93 with a chrome lined barrel |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 10:04:11 AM EDT
[#15]
I would buy one right now. But in Colorado, I can't buy any magazines.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 10:05:44 AM EDT
[#16]
So drive to a neighboring state (in Minecraft). Most surplus G3 mags are 60’s and 70’s date coded anyways.
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Posted: 6/3/2024 12:02:02 AM EDT
[#17]
Bump?
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Posted: 6/3/2024 12:06:51 AM EDT
[#18]
Waiting for an actual MKE built 91.
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Posted: 6/7/2024 10:51:16 AM EDT
[#19]
Has there been any more news on these? I really want a 91 as well.
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Posted: 6/7/2024 11:03:18 AM EDT
[#20]
Last update from Atlantic was BATF was reevaluating some of the imports. It did not sound very encouraging. Im guessing we'll need regime change in the executive branch to get this moving again. I hope Atlantic comes right along behind me and makes this post age very, very badly.
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Posted: 6/21/2024 12:19:35 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA: Last update from Atlantic was BATF was reevaluating some of the imports. It did not sound very encouraging. Im guessing we'll need regime change in the executive branch to get this moving again. I hope Atlantic comes right along behind me and makes this post age very, very badly. I wonder what the ATF is reevaluating, if it's the same as the MKE Z43P? |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 7:38:38 AM EDT
[#22]
Currently the ATF is not happy with rifle caliber pistols being submitted for import. B&T was importing some with 14 & 16 inch barrels and they pulled their previously approved permits and you no longer see those coming in.
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Posted: 6/21/2024 8:23:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: Currently the ATF is not happy with rifle caliber pistols being submitted for import. B&T was importing some with 14 & 16 inch barrels and they pulled their previously approved permits and you no longer see those coming in. Thanks for the clarification. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 6/21/2024 8:34:31 AM EDT
[#24]
It is long overdue to sue the government over 925(d)(3) and 922(r). Our import restrictions are absurd and completely unconstitutional.
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Posted: 6/23/2024 9:52:45 PM EDT
[#25]
Just build the 91 as a rifle the way it should be. Not as a pistol.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2024 10:43:49 PM EDT
[#26]
So here's the question - if form 6's were filed to import these (assuming that they actually were, as there are conflicting claims from SHOT attendees that Century was not interested in importing), then they are either pending or denied. Which is it?
It doesn't matter whether the ATF isn't happy with "rifle caliber" pistols. They are not happy with you owning any guns to begin with. But this isn't Schrodinger's Cat (or Schrodinger's form 6). If the forms were filed, then we either have an answer, or we don't, regardless of how the ATF "feels." Sure, we don't want to be too optimistic and set ourselves up for disappointment, but taking rumors at face value from guntubers/influencers and anonymous and apocryphal industry sources isn't any wiser. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2024 11:02:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot: Just build the 91 as a rifle the way it should be. Not as a pistol. They can most definitely bring in neutered versions that can be debanned. Springfield Armory SAR-8's and PARS XG3S came in that way. For the 5.56 guns I recall ATI had a neutered version that was sold briefly. |
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Posted: 6/23/2024 11:47:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: So here's the question - if form 6's were filed to import these (assuming that they actually were, as there are conflicting claims from SHOT attendees that Century was not interested in importing), then they are either pending or denied. Which is it? It doesn't matter whether the ATF isn't happy with "rifle caliber" pistols. They are not happy with you owning any guns to begin with. But this isn't Schrodinger's Cat (or Schrodinger's form 6). If the forms were filed, then we either have an answer, or we don't, regardless of how the ATF "feels." Sure, we don't want to be too optimistic and set ourselves up for disappointment, but taking rumors at face value from guntubers/influencers and anonymous and apocryphal industry sources isn't any wiser. They can make “pending” painful and lengthy. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2024 3:25:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Apec]
[#29]
My guess is that Century never actually filed import paperwork. It begs the question why they would partner with PTR to make CA3's, and import MKE G3's when the latter would be a superior product at the same price point.
MKE had set up a booth at SHOT 2023. Ever since then, we have not seen any official press releases from Century announcing these imports. Remember, they actually announced the AP5's in 2020-2021, and the example their rep showed on video had the taped over Zenith markings - they didn't even have a Century marked product in hand. I would like to be proven wrong, but I personally think the lack of these imports is due to the lack of an importer. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2024 2:28:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Evintos]
[#30]
https://x.com/GreenGewehr/status/1804516641369169969/photo/1
Turkish 🇹🇷 firm MKE signed a contract worth 30 million USD to manufacture semi-automatic small arms in the USA 🇺🇲. Türkiye’s MKE secures $30M deal at Eurosatory - June 19, 2024 Türkiye’s Machinery and Chemical Industry (MKE) has signed a significant deal at Eurosatory, one of the world’s leading defense industry fairs. At the fair, a contract was signed for the sale of over $30 million worth of semi-automatic light weapons targeting the American market. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/25/2024 11:23:12 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOk, it's interesting that it says they will be manufactured in the US instead of exported to the US |
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Posted: 6/25/2024 3:50:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Ok, it's interesting that it says they will be manufactured in the US instead of exported to the US Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Ok, it's interesting that it says they will be manufactured in the US instead of exported to the US The only article I can find seems to be the Türkiye Today in the second link, which only mentions signing a $30 million dollar contract. The only US based “manufacturing” that makes sense is 922r conversions. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 6/25/2024 7:10:42 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryThat’s great news. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 11:28:47 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: The only article I can find seems to be the Türkiye Today in the second link, which only mentions signing a $30 million dollar contract. The only US based “manufacturing” that makes sense is 922r conversions. That's exactly what Zastava is doing. B&T also to a certain extent. Although I "think" B&T is now making some items in CONUS...including barrels. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 1:13:55 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA: That's exactly what Zastava is doing. B&T also to a certain extent. Although I "think" B&T is now making some items in CONUS...including barrels. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA: Originally Posted By fike: The only article I can find seems to be the Türkiye Today in the second link, which only mentions signing a $30 million dollar contract. The only US based “manufacturing” that makes sense is 922r conversions. That's exactly what Zastava is doing. B&T also to a certain extent. Although I "think" B&T is now making some items in CONUS...including barrels. Thinking about the process, it would seem rather tricky to import a single stack stamped roller delay rifle and then later convert it to double stack (as is standard procedure with just about every other rifle). |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 2:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Thinking about the process, it would seem rather tricky to import a single stack stamped roller delay rifle and then later convert it to double stack (as is standard procedure with just about every other rifle). Not at all; the SCAR was imported with pins in the mag well, if you find older Belgian ones you can see where they cut them out. MKE did this for some variant of the MP5 they imported for ATI years and years ago. As long as it can’t readily accept a “high capacity magazine” the process doesn’t matter as much how; it could be a purpose-built low-cap or no magazine at all. So MKE could weld pins into the mag well in Turkey, leave the barrel unthreaded, and create some crappy abomination of a sporter stock/grip frame to import it as a “sporting rifle”. US facility would then remove the pins, thread the barrel, and replace the grip frame and lower with correct ones. This is actually a pretty decent time for HK-style 922r compliance parts, and I’m sure they’d probably tool up to produce some of their own to better control the process. (Thinking FCG parts here mostly, those seem to be most variable.). They could ship back the sporter parts to be recycled for a future batch or pitch them entirely if they were cheap enough. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 2:09:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HKaltwasser]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreyGhost: The basic CA3 is on sale now for $939-even though these are rumored to be built by PTR for a few hundred more I can have one I know is built by PTR and stamped PTR. I’ll be passing on this offering from Century. I hear that, just having Century stamped on your gun is bad enough. It makes sense when it's much cheaper, but a couple hundo's not worth IMO. A 33k pistol is all I need, but wouldn't mind an MKE 91. I wish they would just get it in gear and import more amber poly MKE91 mags too. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 6/26/2024 2:23:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Evintos]
[#38]
Couple more articles
Azerbaijani news - Turkey sold these weapons to the United States - Agreement Quote HistoryAxar.az reports that the Turkish press reported on this. According to information, the agreement was concluded between the Turkish MKE company and the American "Century Arms" company. According to the agreement, MKE will export $30 million worth of light weapons to the United States. Quote HistoryAxar.az reports that the Turkish press reported on this. According to information, the agreement was concluded between the Turkish MKE company and the American "Century Arms" company. According to the agreement, MKE will export $30 million worth of light weapons to the United States. Turkish Firm MKE Signs Contract to Manufacture Rifles in the U.S. Turkish firm MKE signed a $30 million contract with U.S.-based Century Arms on Tuesday for the latter to manufacture its 7.62mm rifles for the American market. The Defense Mirror article is the only one that I found that specifies manufacture in the US (specifically 7.62mm) other than the twitter post by Global Defense Insight that only specified semiauto small arms. If it is manufacture of 7.62mm in the US, the only one that I can think of that is likely (because it's easier to manufacture) is the MPT-76 and not the roller delayed products, but I could be wrong. The deal could just be an expansion of importation of more of MKE's product line and the manufacturing in the US could be an error, or it could be both the expansion of importation and some limited US production. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/26/2024 10:09:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Apec]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Findsman: So MKE could weld pins into the mag well in Turkey, leave the barrel unthreaded, and create some crappy abomination of a sporter stock/grip frame to import it as a “sporting rifle”. US facility would then remove the pins, thread the barrel, and replace the grip frame and lower with correct ones. This is actually a pretty decent time for HK-style 922r compliance parts, and I’m sure they’d probably tool up to produce some of their own to better control the process. (Thinking FCG parts here mostly, those seem to be most variable.). They could ship back the sporter parts to be recycled for a future batch or pitch them entirely if they were cheap enough. The MKE ATI AT94 and AT43 (9mm and 5.56) were actually brought in this way. Pinned magwells, unthreaded barrels and for some reason they went the extra mile to weld stocks to the lower. You can see some old pics/listings below https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/ati-at-43-tact-hk33-semi-automatic-556-nato-223-remington-17-barrel-101-rounds?a=1810119 https://smallarmsreview.com/mke-at-94a2-9mm-carbine/ Threading the barrel without removing it from the trunnion will be significantly harder on a roller lock, unless you have something like Curtis Higgins' tooling. However it would be possible to just pin/weld a fake suppressor (through the locking mechanism) onto the trilug to make length and effectively disable barrel threads. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 10:50:10 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: The MKE ATI AT94 and AT43 (9mm and 5.56) were actually brought in this way. Pinned magwells, unthreaded barrels and for some reason they went the extra mile to weld stocks to the lower. You can see some old pics/listings below https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/ati-at-43-tact-hk33-semi-automatic-556-nato-223-remington-17-barrel-101-rounds?a=1810119 https://smallarmsreview.com/mke-at-94a2-9mm-carbine/ Threading the barrel without removing it from the trunnion will be significantly harder on a roller lock, unless you have something like Curtis Higgins' tooling. However it would be possible to just pin/weld a fake suppressor (through the locking mechanism) onto the trilug to make length and effectively disable barrel threads. Yeah, I remember looking at one of those ATI abominations shortly after they were discontinued as an “affordable” entry to the MP5 world but ultimately walked away since it would require so much effort. I completely forgot about those welded lowers! Those guns were such a soup sandwich. And yes, doing the threads in the original factory and welding a muzzle nut on would suffice too. Lots of AKs are brought in this way, where the importer then grinds off the weld and cleans it up. Plenty of ways to cover existing threads like the mag well! Long and short, it’s an entirely viable model and Century was the master of it for a long time. More Gucci importers like Arsenal, Zastava, FN, Springfield, etc are just cleaner with the end product. 
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Posted: 6/27/2024 10:54:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: USMC_JA]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Findsman: Yeah, I remember looking at one of those ATI abominations shortly after they were discontinued as an “affordable” entry to the MP5 world but ultimately walked away since it would require so much effort. I completely forgot about those welded lowers! Those guns were such a soup sandwich. And yes, doing the threads in the original factory and welding a muzzle nut on would suffice too. Lots of AKs are brought in this way, where the importer then grinds off the weld and cleans it up. Plenty of ways to cover existing threads like the mag well! Long and short, it’s an entirely viable model and Century was the master of it for a long time. More Gucci importers like Arsenal, Zastava, FN, Springfield, etc are just cleaner with the end product. Agreed. Its entirely possible. And with the overwhelming success of the AP5s, one would think MKE would be quick to expand their roller lock offerings. Given ammo prices, Century agreeing to import 7.62mm guns is curious. 5.56 would make more sense. I wish Atlantic would team up with an importer and do the conversions. I'd bet they'd do it right. |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 12:13:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lil_Sig]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: Currently the ATF is not happy with rifle caliber pistols being submitted for import. B&T was importing some with 14 & 16 inch barrels and they pulled their previously approved permits and you no longer see those coming in. Funny how they can just deny a totaly lawful firearm from import. Hinder US business and public Freedoms. Simply because they act as if they are US LAW. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:37:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Apec]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: They can make “pending” painful and lengthy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By Apec: So here's the question - if form 6's were filed to import these (assuming that they actually were, as there are conflicting claims from SHOT attendees that Century was not interested in importing), then they are either pending or denied. Which is it? It doesn't matter whether the ATF isn't happy with "rifle caliber" pistols. They are not happy with you owning any guns to begin with. But this isn't Schrodinger's Cat (or Schrodinger's form 6). If the forms were filed, then we either have an answer, or we don't, regardless of how the ATF "feels." Sure, we don't want to be too optimistic and set ourselves up for disappointment, but taking rumors at face value from guntubers/influencers and anonymous and apocryphal industry sources isn't any wiser. They can make “pending” painful and lengthy. Well seeing as SCOTUS struck down Chevron, they can’t play fuck fuck games anymore since “sporting purposes” language is not codified in the US code consistent with the way that ATF enforces it. Just a lawsuit away. |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 3:31:10 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Well seeing as SCOTUS struck down Chevron, they can't play fuck fuck games anymore since "sporting purposes" language is not codified in the US code consistent with the way that ATF enforces it. Just a lawsuit away. iirc, it's up to the Attorney General to determine what "sporting purposes" means |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 3:35:27 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: iirc, it's up to the Attorney General to determine what "sporting purposes" means Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By Apec: Well seeing as SCOTUS struck down Chevron, they can't play fuck fuck games anymore since "sporting purposes" language is not codified in the US code consistent with the way that ATF enforces it. Just a lawsuit away. iirc, it's up to the Attorney General to determine what "sporting purposes" means And fuck fuck games aren’t specific to legislation. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 11:00:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 0351]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evintos: Couple more articles Azerbaijani news - Turkey sold these weapons to the United States - Agreement Turkish Firm MKE Signs Contract to Manufacture Rifles in the U.S. The Defense Mirror article is the only one that I found that specifies manufacture in the US (specifically 7.62mm) other than the twitter post by Global Defense Insight that only specified semiauto small arms. If it is manufacture of 7.62mm in the US, the only one that I can think of that is likely (because it's easier to manufacture) is the MPT-76 and not the roller delayed products, but I could be wrong. The deal could just be an expansion of importation of more of MKE's product line and the manufacturing in the US could be an error, or it could be both the expansion of importation and some limited US production. After reading the article I believe Century will import the MPT's, both 5.56 and 7.62, not the G3, HK33. But It would be nice to see all of them be imported. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 7/4/2024 11:22:22 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: iirc, it's up to the Attorney General to determine what "sporting purposes" means It’s past time that 925(d)(3) the “sporting clause” was challenged in court. |
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Posted: 7/14/2024 2:46:38 AM EDT
[#48]
BTT
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Posted: 7/14/2024 9:30:26 AM EDT
[#49]
Originally Posted By JoshNC: It’s past time that 925(d)(3) the “sporting clause” was challenged in court. I would agree that "for sporting" purposes should be challenged in GCA 68, the matter of imports however in this case may not apply as its a matter of import restrictions not necessarily prohibiting domestic acquisition. |
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Posted: 7/21/2024 12:55:01 PM EDT
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My HK33 mags and furniture are starting to get dusty.
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