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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:40:24 PM EDT
Dealer is using the eform to transfer my latest suppressor. I dropped off the fingerprint cards, etc... to them and they filed the forms electronically. They said that I would receive an e-mail from the ATF for paying the $200 tax. I've been waiting over 3 weeks now. Seeing people getting their transfer go through in a matter of days and I'm wondering if the dealer might have done something incorrectly since they just started using the eforms. How long does it typically take before that e-mail comes?
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USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:45:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tranzformer]
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When I have my dealer do my form 4 efile, I just give my dealer my CC info right there and he enters it in and then submits right there. No need to wait. Under 40 hr approval time for my last 4 cans.
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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:46:26 PM EDT
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The payment confirmation email comes 30 seconds after the $200 payment is made.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:52:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: The payment confirmation email comes 30 seconds after the $200 payment is made. How is the payment supposed to be made? Were they supposed to take it? |
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USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:56:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: How is the payment supposed to be made? Were they supposed to take it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: Originally Posted By bigbore: The payment confirmation email comes 30 seconds after the $200 payment is made. How is the payment supposed to be made? Were they supposed to take it? Yes. If your dealer is doing an efile form 4 from their own dealer account, yes they would enter your payment info and your ATF efile account info when they fill everything out before submission. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:00:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Yes. If your dealer is doing an efile form 4 from their own dealer account, yes they would enter your payment info and your ATF efile account info when they fill everything out before submission. Pretty sure they didn't take my ATF efile info. They may have taken my CC info at the same time I was paying their transfer fee, now that I think about it. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:03:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: Pretty sure they didn't take my ATF efile info. They may have taken my CC info at the same time I was paying their transfer fee, now that I think about it. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:06:44 PM EDT
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Silencershop or a standard dealer? When doing an eForm you have to digitally sign yourself, at the end of the verification process. The email comes seconds later. Sounds like your form hasn’t actually been submitted yet.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:10:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kombayotch]
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Standard dealer. No $200 charge on my CC.
I suspect they aren't doing something right. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:19:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tranzformer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: Standard dealer. No $200 charge on my CC. I suspect they aren't doing something right. My dealer does the efile submission through their dealer account. They upload my .eft and photo, include my ATF account username, I give them my CC info and boom it's done. I get a email confirmation from the ATF that my form 4 submission has been submitted/in process within a minute. Done. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:24:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: The payment confirmation email comes 30 seconds after the $200 payment is made. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:24:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: I suspect they aren't doing something right. Sounds accurate. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:30:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mindfull]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: Standard dealer. No $200 charge on my CC. I suspect they aren't doing something right. Either they haven't submitted the form yet or they messed up the submission. Its one of those two things. Did they use your right email? Something to check as well. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 3:07:14 PM EDT
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Like those above my dealer did everything efile and my cc was charged immediately.
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Posted: 5/1/2024 4:57:46 PM EDT
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I don’t think it matters which form you do before you can submit it you get redirected to a payment portal.
I could be wrong. Are you sure when he did the eform he selected “tax paid form”? If I’m wrong here then just ignore with my apologies. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:47:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Princeton: I don’t think it matters which form you do before you can submit it you get redirected to a payment portal. I could be wrong. Are you sure when he did the eform he selected “tax paid form”? If I’m wrong here then just ignore with my apologies. Not sure what was selected. Went there tonight and they say they are going to look into it. Kept telling me that the payment doesn't go through until someone at the ATF starts to examines it. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:47:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OwO]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Sounds accurate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By Kombayotch: I suspect they aren't doing something right. Sounds accurate. I think the applicant (seller) is supposed to pay the tax when they submit the application. Every commercial silencer I bought, the seller charged me for the silencer and the transfer tax, then they paid the ATF. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:30:30 PM EDT
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Watch this video.
Payment info starts at 23 minutes.  ATF eForm4 Tutorial |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:51:40 PM EDT
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You should get an email from [email protected] pretty much immediately after certifying your application. This email will have your control number on it. If you did not get this email, you haven’t certified your eForm 4 application yet. I don’t believe I’ve ever gotten an email that my $200 tax was paid, but then I’ve done all mine through SS. It you definitely should have gotten your email from the above address with your control number. If you didn’t, go back to your FFL and let them know this hasn’t been submitted yet.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:56:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: Not sure what was selected. Went there tonight and they say they are going to look into it. Kept telling me that the payment doesn't go through until someone at the ATF starts to examines it. That's wrong. Every eform1 I've filed myself and every eform4 my FFL has filed for me has dinged my credit card immediately. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:17:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: Not sure what was selected. Went there tonight and they say they are going to look into it. Kept telling me that the payment doesn't go through until someone at the ATF starts to examines it. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:51:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gentleman4561: Unfortunately, you are dealing with a moron. So it would appear... |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:24:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: Not sure what was selected. Went there tonight and they say they are going to look into it. Kept telling me that the payment doesn't go through until someone at the ATF starts to examines it. Definitely not right, can’t submit it until payment is sent through separate portal. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 7:10:25 AM EDT
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You get an email from reforms stating that you submitted, it has always been immediate after I certified. That email is your confirmation it has been submitted.
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Posted: 5/2/2024 3:20:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kombayotch: Dealer is using the eform to transfer my latest suppressor. I dropped off the fingerprint cards, etc... to them and they filed the forms electronically. They said that I would receive an e-mail from the ATF for paying the $200 tax. I've been waiting over 3 weeks now. Seeing people getting their transfer go through in a matter of days and I'm wondering if the dealer might have done something incorrectly since they just started using the eforms. How long does it typically take before that e-mail comes? |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 3:35:09 PM EDT
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OP, do they have the can actually on hand already? About the only thing that half makes sense to explain what you're presented is that they're getting the can from another dealer or the manufacturer and are waiting for the Form 3 to finish and get it in hand before starting the transfer process to you.
If it's not that, then they appear to have no idea what they're doing and I'd probably just cancel and seek business elsewhere. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:05:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kombayotch]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: OP, do they have the can actually on hand already? About the only thing that half makes sense to explain what you're presented is that they're getting the can from another dealer or the manufacturer and are waiting for the Form 3 to finish and get it in hand before starting the transfer process to you. If it's not that, then they appear to have no idea what they're doing and I'd probably just cancel and seek business elsewhere. Can came from the manufacturer as I had a discount cert for it. First time I've used this FFL, but chose them because they were the only place near by that had an onsite range I could use the can on while waiting for the transfer. They have it and I have been using it on the range. Had I known that transfers would start processing so quickly, I would have used a different FFL. All of my previous cans took over a year, and the eForm1 SBR I did took 11 months, so I was expecting a long wait. Pretty sure at this point it is that they don't know what they are doing with e-forms. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 5:57:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HansohnBrothers: No, you won't get an email from atf to pay. Payment is within the eform process before you certify. Additionally, you won't get an email from atf when the tax is paid, that goes to the dealer's email only. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HansohnBrothers: Originally Posted By Kombayotch: Dealer is using the eform to transfer my latest suppressor. I dropped off the fingerprint cards, etc... to them and they filed the forms electronically. They said that I would receive an e-mail from the ATF for paying the $200 tax. I've been waiting over 3 weeks now. Seeing people getting their transfer go through in a matter of days and I'm wondering if the dealer might have done something incorrectly since they just started using the eforms. How long does it typically take before that e-mail comes? But he should get an email after he certifies, which if the dealer didn't have him use his Efile username and PIN he hasn't certified yet. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:11:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HansohnBrothers: No, you won't get an email from atf to pay. Payment is within the eform process before you certify. Additionally, you won't get an email from atf when the tax is paid, that goes to the dealer's email only. Ok, but when is the tax charged to my card? Even if I don't get an e-mail, I should see the charge on my banking website. It's pushing 4 weeks and the card hasn't been charged. Is that normal? Also, the dealer never asked me for my ATF eforms account info. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:13:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: Ok, but when is the tax charged to my card? Even if I don't get an e-mail, I should see the charge on my banking website. It's pushing 4 weeks and the card hasn't been charged. Is that normal? Also, the dealer never asked me for my ATF eforms account info. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:14:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: networkguru]
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watch the damn video ffs
Or dont, and keep asking questions. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:17:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By networkguru: watch the damn video ffs Or dont, and keep asking questions. I did and yeah, from that it looks like it isn't submitted. Now a dealer enters the convo and seems to imply otherwise. So, yeah, I'm going to ask the dealer to elaborate. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:18:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: Ok, but when is the tax charged to my card? Even if I don't get an e-mail, I should see the charge on my banking website. It's pushing 4 weeks and the card hasn't been charged. Is that normal? Also, the dealer never asked me for my ATF eforms account info. No, it isn't normal. Your card is literally hit with the $200 payment as soon as your dealer hits send and you get a confirmation email back from the ATF regarding your form 4 being pending/submitted. You have done none of this. Your dealer has not completed nor submitted your form 4. You need to go back and do everything all over again. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 6:51:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: Your form isn't submitted man. This, unfortunately. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 7:07:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: networkguru]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: I did and yeah, from that it looks like it isn't submitted. Now a dealer enters the convo and seems to imply otherwise. So, yeah, I'm going to ask the dealer to elaborate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: Originally Posted By networkguru: watch the damn video ffs Or dont, and keep asking questions. I did and yeah, from that it looks like it isn't submitted. Now a dealer enters the convo and seems to imply otherwise. So, yeah, I'm going to ask the dealer to elaborate. Its not filed if what you say is correct. During the filing process, the dealer pays the stamp in the payment "train stop". Then on to the certification process which requires YOU to type in your ATF eforms username and PIN. Then the dealer puts their info in. A screen will pop up saying successful. As ADCO (a dealer) stated, a email will arrive almost immediately . That is my experience as well. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 7:26:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: No, it isn't normal. Your card is literally hit with the $200 payment as soon as your dealer hits send and you get a confirmation email back from the ATF regarding your form 4 being pending/submitted. You have done none of this. Your dealer has not completed nor submitted your form 4. You need to go back and do everything all over again. The dealer could have submitted the $200 payment on their card. I don't think they did, but it's possible. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 8:09:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kombayotch: Ok, but when is the tax charged to my card? Even if I don't get an e-mail, I should see the charge on my banking website. It's pushing 4 weeks and the card hasn't been charged. Is that normal? Also, the dealer never asked me for my ATF eforms account info.  Bottom line, your form has not been submitted, you'll need to have a discussion with your dealer. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 8:16:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HansohnBrothers: If they use your card, you'll see payment hit your card within minutes if not sooner. Never give a dealer your eforms username and PIN. Bottom line, your form has not been submitted, you'll need to have a discussion with your dealer. It's a shame not all dealers are as knowledgeable as Hansohn Brothers. :) You guys should be training other dealers how to do their job. But then you wouldn't have time to process my forms. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 8:43:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers: No, you won't get an email from atf to pay. Payment is within the eform process before you certify. Additionally, you won't get an email from atf when the tax is paid, that goes to the dealer's email only. Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers: If they use your card, you'll see payment hit your card within minutes if not sooner. Never give a dealer your eforms username and PIN. Bottom line, your form has not been submitted, you'll need to have a discussion with your dealer. End of thread.^^^; (Or should be). |
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