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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 6:14:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Odinforever2000]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skyler2000: Saw this video review of the MDRX, and he says his MDRX rear sling mounting point broke off. Anyone know if this has been fixed in the Wlvrn?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzC3X1gAyvsThe rear sling mount is updated in the Wlvrn. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 1:04:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: The rear sling mount it updated in the Wlvrn Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: Saw this video review of the MDRX, and he says his MDRX rear sling mounting point broke off. Anyone know if this has been fixed in the Wlvrn? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzC3X1gAyvsThe rear sling mount it updated in the Wlvrn Well they really thought of everything then. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 1:26:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skyler2000: Well they really thought of everything then. Well...except the price is kinda high. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 10:47:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Odinforever2000]
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 11:08:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Odinforever2000]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Box4: Desert Tech said the channel is aluminum with steel insert in high friction area. Can someone confirm? In the Comments from MACs Wlvrn vid   They didn't specify if this was all calibers..or a specific one.. And of course..Everyones burning question.. 
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Posted: 4/12/2024 11:34:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: Desert Tech said the channel is aluminum with steel insert in high friction area. And of course..Everyones burning question.. https://i.imgur.com/RdYv246.jpeg I give them props for that one. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 12:32:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: I give them props for that one. Right? If you know you got something good..It shouldnt matter who reviews it. Customer or Pro Tuber |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:59:51 PM EDT
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308 Wlvrn came in today, not much time with it, stripped it down and that. Odd thing was I noticed black flakes of something around the trunnion area, it like was coming off the barrel, no ideal wtf it is, scrapes off with my finger nail. Paint maybe? Scaling?
Overall fit and finish seems good, trigger and mag release has some grit to it, but feels like it's smoothing out. Didn't take many pic as I'm limited on time tonight. OSS muzzle brake wont fit thru the handguard, BUT you can pull the barrel all the way out with the handguard in place. So no issue doing barrel swaps with larger muzzle devices. Will be taking it to the range weekend.  
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2024 10:31:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Odinforever2000]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: 308 Wlvrn came in today, not much time with it, stripped it down and that. Odd thing was I noticed black flakes of something around the trunnion area, it like was coming off the barrel, no ideal wtf it is, scrapes off with my finger nail. Paint maybe? Scaling? Overall fit and finish seems good, trigger and mag release has some grit to it, but feels like it's smoothing out. Didn't take many pic as I'm limited on time tonight. OSS muzzle brake wont fit thru the handguard, BUT you can pull the barrel all the way out with the handguard in place. So no issue doing barrel swaps with larger muzzle devices. Will be taking it to the range weekend. https://i.imgur.com/r6V8jpe.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/e99GOdI.jpeg Nice! I can't wait to see what you do with it. Pulling the barrel through with the handgaurd in place is a change from the previous generation. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 10:56:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: 308 Wlvrn came in today, not much time with it, stripped it down and that. Odd thing was I noticed black flakes of something around the trunnion area, it like was coming off the barrel, no ideal wtf it is, scrapes off with my finger nail. Paint maybe? Scaling? Overall fit and finish seems good, trigger and mag release has some grit to it, but feels like it's smoothing out. Didn't take many pic as I'm limited on time tonight. OSS muzzle brake wont fit thru the handguard, BUT you can pull the barrel all the way out with the handguard in place. So no issue doing barrel swaps with larger muzzle devices. Will be taking it to the range weekend. https://i.imgur.com/r6V8jpe.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/e99GOdI.jpeg I don't know, but you're right - that's weird. I would be careful that it could be left over maloniting salts. Maybe not - probably not, but I don't know what the Hell that is. Please test to see if they dissolve in water. If they do - please come back before you go shooting this weekend... |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:06:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: I don't know, but you're right - that's weird. I would be careful that it could be left over maloniting salts. Maybe not - probably not, but I don't know what the Hell that is. Please test to see if they dissolve in water. If they do - please come back before you go shooting this weekend... Hmm maybe that. I'll put some in water and see if they dissolve tomorrow. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:37:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: Hmm maybe that. I'll put some in water and see if they dissolve tomorrow. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: I don't know, but you're right - that's weird. I would be careful that it could be left over maloniting salts. Maybe not - probably not, but I don't know what the Hell that is. Please test to see if they dissolve in water. If they do - please come back before you go shooting this weekend... Hmm maybe that. I'll put some in water and see if they dissolve tomorrow. Yea definitely report back on that. IF (and this is only IF) that's maloniting salts - failure to remove there, could also mean failure to correctly and fully remove from your bore. Which would mean your 7.62mm diameter bore, isn't 7.62mm diameter. That's all a big if that could be wildly in error, but sometimes mysteries are worth a moment to try and figure out. Also! As a request - when you do go shoot and do accuracy testing; would you be willing to do a couple tests for me? In particular, I want to see the behavior of two ammunition's specs: 1) A mild and light load of the lightest weight bullet you can find - fired in an unsuppressed gun. 2) a hot load of a heavy bullet, fired in an unsuppressed gun. From that I want to see two things A) what is the MOA of each (of course) B) What did the POI of each do when you changed ammo. Did it shift wildly (and in a semi-horizontal fashion)? My 6.5CM MDRx POI shifted considerably between those two specs. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:16:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Yea definitely report back on that. IF (and this is only IF) that's maloniting salts - failure to remove there, could also mean failure to correctly and fully remove from your bore. Which would mean your 7.62mm diameter bore, isn't 7.62mm diameter. That's all a big if that could be wildly in error, but sometimes mysteries are worth a moment to try and figure out. Also! As a request - when you do go shoot and do accuracy testing; would you be willing to do a couple tests for me? In particular, I want to see the behavior of two ammunition's specs: 1) A mild and light load of the lightest weight bullet you can find - fired in an unsuppressed gun. 2) a hot load of a heavy bullet, fired in an unsuppressed gun. From that I want to see two things A) what is the MOA of each (of course) B) What did the POI of each do when you changed ammo. Did it shift wildly (and in a semi-horizontal fashion)? My 6.5CM MDRx POI shifted considerably between those two specs. Ya Im gonna go to the local store and pick up a few various boxes of match ammo, so I try to find some lighter stuff as well as heavier 175s. I also want to test the return to zero of the barrel mounting. I have a lot I want to test, so I'll do as much as I can this weekend. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:18:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Yea definitely report back on that. IF (and this is only IF) that's maloniting salts - failure to remove there, could also mean failure to correctly and fully remove from your bore. Which would mean your 7.62mm diameter bore, isn't 7.62mm diameter. That's all a big if that could be wildly in error, but sometimes mysteries are worth a moment to try and figure out. I put the flakes in water this morning and let them sit for about 20 minutes, didn't seem like they dissolved any. I'll check on them again when I go home. I'll be running a brush down the barrel to verify its clear, but it was clearly test fired, so its probably fine. Though I will be honest, seeing this does raise some concerns about desert techs QC. Might be much ado about nothing, but still, not something I like to see on a new "premium" gun. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:53:46 AM EDT
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@tavorsterling, or anyone else looking to feed a .308. if your looking for ammo I suggest checking out PSA. They make .308 ammo under their AAC brand, I have only shot a few boxes but have had good luck. Pretty much the best prices for both FMJ and OTM/SMK type ammo on the market right now. Particularly if your trying to test different weights and bullet types, this is likely the only single manufacturer where you can do that at a reasonable price.
Looks like they have almost every .308 load in stock right now, which is unusual. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:01:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shenendoah_rifleman: @tavorsterling, or anyone else looking to feed a .308. if your looking for ammo I suggest checking out PSA. They make .308 ammo under their AAC brand, I have only shot a few boxes but have had good luck. Pretty much the best prices for both FMJ and OTM/SMK type ammo on the market right now. Particularly if your trying to test different weights and bullet types, this is likely the only single manufacturer where you can do that at a reasonable price. Looks like they have almost every .308 load in stock right now, which is unusual. Too bad the 556 offerings are all sold out..Ive had a few request to test those.. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:09:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shenendoah_rifleman: @tavorsterling, or anyone else looking to feed a .308. if your looking for ammo I suggest checking out PSA. They make .308 ammo under their AAC brand, I have only shot a few boxes but have had good luck. Pretty much the best prices for both FMJ and OTM/SMK type ammo on the market right now. Particularly if your trying to test different weights and bullet types, this is likely the only single manufacturer where you can do that at a reasonable price. Looks like they have almost every .308 load in stock right now, which is unusual. I have some of their AAC 150 fmj ammo, so far its been decent in my Tavor 7, so it will be included in the testing. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:12:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: Too bad the 556 offerings are all sold out..Ive had a few request to test those.. I have a box or two of their 77 otm left. X95 didn't like it far as accuracy, but then again, it seems the X95 refuses to do anything under 2moa no matter what ammo you use, match or cheap bulk. I do have a 5.56 wlvrn kit on order, so try to save it for that. Unless i run it thru my Brn-4 sbr before then. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:40:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Odinforever2000]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: I have a box or two of their 77 otm left. X95 didn't like it far as accuracy, but then again, it seems the X95 refuses to do anything under 2moa no matter what ammo you use, match or cheap bulk. I do have a 5.56 wlvrn kit on order, so try to save it for that. Unless i run it thru my Brn-4 sbr before then. You could try some of that Fiocchi Field 50gr Vmax. Thats averaging 1.5moa in my Tavor Sar.  I also have a Wlvrn conversion kit on order in 308(sounds like it will be here in may)..So..I guess we can compare notes lol I'll also be going back out to the range for a 3rd and final time. Maybe I can time my video relase to yours so I can direct folks to your 308 review |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 7:34:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Odinforever2000]
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 The New Desert Tech WLVRN (vs The MDRx) 308 also present. Seems to be working. No mag drops. 77gr Fed Premium in the Wlvrn vs the MDRx. 1 (5) round group each. No accuracy test on the 308..Probably because they don't have a 308 MDRX to compare it to. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:12:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI-wmqbCdp8308 also present. Seems to be working. No mag drops. 77gr Fed Premium in the Wlvrn vs the MDRx. 1 (5) round group each. No accuracy test on the 308..Probably because they don't have a 308 MDRX to compare it to. Ya watching the ejection on their 308 leads me to believe mine has something wrong with it, ejector, extractor, gas system, who knows. Mine goes from barely working, then one click up on the gas, it starts stove piping. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:20:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI-wmqbCdp8308 also present. Seems to be working. No mag drops. 77gr Fed Premium in the Wlvrn vs the MDRx. 1 (5) round group each. No accuracy test on the 308..Probably because they don't have a 308 MDRX to compare it to. Thanks. They overdismiss the flyers and say "it was the shooter" pointing to 3 of the 5 being tight, and 2 being wild. In both groups fired (one MDRx, one WLVarn). While their gun-mount system was terrible (its actually difficult to shoot good groups from a tripod), bo - that probably was not the shooter. These guns shoot flyers - don't dismiss them - in five shots, 40% going wild isn't ok. That's the gun. Looks like WLVRN flyers are slightly better, but it's doing it too |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:05:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FrozenIceman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Thanks. They overdismiss the flyers and say "it was the shooter" pointing to 3 of the 5 being tight, and 2 being wild. In both groups fired (one MDRx, one WLVarn). While their gun-mount system was terrible (its actually difficult to shoot good groups from a tripod), bo - that probably was not the shooter. These guns shoot flyers - don't dismiss them - in five shots, 40% going wild isn't ok. That's the gun. Looks like WLVRN flyers are slightly better, but it's doing it too The MDRx in 5.56 doesn't seem to do the same flier thing as the 308 flavor. At least in the community test data that we have. But if they are using those groups to represent the gun, and their discussion as to what is valid vs not... I am thinking they probably aren't precision shooters in general. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:53:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrozenIceman: The MDRx in 5.56 doesn't seem to do the same flier thing as the 308 flavor. At least in the community test data that we have. ... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrozenIceman: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Thanks. They overdismiss the flyers and say "it was the shooter" pointing to 3 of the 5 being tight, and 2 being wild. In both groups fired (one MDRx, one WLVarn). While their gun-mount system was terrible (its actually difficult to shoot good groups from a tripod), bo - that probably was not the shooter. These guns shoot flyers - don't dismiss them - in five shots, 40% going wild isn't ok. That's the gun. Looks like WLVRN flyers are slightly better, but it's doing it too The MDRx in 5.56 doesn't seem to do the same flier thing as the 308 flavor. At least in the community test data that we have. ... Yep. In 5.56 the system is still enough to hold. In .308 class - it's not. |
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