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Posted: 12/16/2022 12:49:56 PM EDT
I've just started doing some reading, and found some references to firearm scopes not being rated for air guns. Will a scope that handles a 7mm mag really be ruined by a springer air rifle?
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Yes, it's possible, due to the method used to mount the reticle. The spring and piston reverses the recoil of the rifle.
I sold a 300S that uses an action that moves to counter recoil. I have some regret as it was accurate, but I didn't care for chambering a pellet in a break barrel gun. I kept a Walther LGR. Air rifle scopes are not necessarily extravagantly expensive. |
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Keep your powder dry, and watch your back trail.
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Recoil of a spring air rifle is forward. If the scope is designed for rearward recoil, it will come apart internally very quickly. I placed a 1x4 scope on a pump Mossberg 500 and destroyed the scope in two rounds, by pumping forward too hard.
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Amazing. I never even had the thought that they'd build for the force only coming from one direction. I thought they'd be locked in, from any type of force.
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Potentially Yes
The recoil impulse is very different. It’s not about the push of energy kicking you in the shoulder, it’s more about the sharp FWD metal to metal harmonic reverberation that goes through the optic. |
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I spent the last four days researching scopes and it will make your head spin.
Some questions for you and comments: - what gun are you mounting the scope onto? If it's a PCP or pneumatically charged gun, you might not have as big of an issue like you will on a springer. - lets assume springer. Do you know the energy of the gun, or, ft/lb engery (FPE)? I have a Beeman R7 .177 and the energy at the barrel is 4-7 FPE depending on pellet. I also have a Weihrauch HW97 .22 with muzzle energy of 14/16 FPE. - What is your budget? Include $20/$80 for rings or one-piece mount. - So, I needed to run a fully dedicated springer scope on the HW97 (Hawke Airmax 4-12x40) AMX but chose the Hawke 2-7x32 Vantage for the R7. - I also bought a really nice mount for the HW97 which is reported to have dampening built in. Sportmatch DM-60 Damps ($72) - Googling will give you some paths to follow depending on what gun you have (from people a lot smarter than me). Look for reviews and input from sites like Airgun Nation and Gateway to Airguns. Some stuff I learned? - Leupold and Nikon (when they still made them) with EFR rating can stand up to springers - Hawke Airmax line, but there are some haters out there - UTG Leapers, did not like the "36 color" lighted reticle and is reported to have heavy/thick recital lines - This scope and mount gets a ton of positive reviews for holding up to magnum (17 FPE+) air rifle. I couldn't buy in but it's only $80 and a 4-12x40 Here on Amazon - You will read a lot of "I heard Burris, BSA, Vortex, ect" are springer rated... Heard and verified are two different things. - Lots of love for SWFA fixed zoom scopes. Fixed = less moving parts to subject to spring recoil. - Read up on First Focal Plane and Second Focal Plane. I went SFP. Good sites explain what it is and what you might want. SFP is more common but FFP is catching on. All about sight picture and if your hunting, target, etc. - Probably want a scope that focuses down to 10m (yards) - There are a ton more, it's a rabbit hole Others with more knowledge will chime in, hope this helps. |
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Thanks for all the info. I should be able to answer more questions Sunday, because tomorrow evening I'm getting a springer from an ARF-friend.
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now get yourself a homemade pellet trap and see what kind of groups it shoots.
Look up "artillery hold for springer". It shows how to hold the front stock on a springer for best accuracy. here is one |
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I read about that hold. It'll take some practice, but I will do it.
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How about a green dot? I found some that say they're for crossbows, air rifles, and airsoft. Will dot sights generally hold up to a springer/break barrel?
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Originally Posted By 67Firebird: How about a green dot? I found some that say they're for crossbows, air rifles, and airsoft. Will dot sights generally hold up to a springer/break barrel? View Quote Reading about "red" dots over at Airgun Nation, many have used them with no issues. I think your fine. I'll add, if your red dot is a Weaver set up, you will need a 11mm dovetail to Weaver adaptor. thread here |
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Cool! I'm guessing that I'd need a dovetail-to-pic rail mount, but I may go for it.
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Thanks. I'll order one of those today.
Edit - Ordered. |
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I hope it warms up for a range report.
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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That should work for vermin. Make a quick bag rest out of rice inside a one-gallon Ziplock, then put that in a fabric bag. Works pretty well unless you have a dedicated rest bag.
Good shooting. |
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Perfect... any European Starlings around? If so, hang a suit block up and have at it.
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Originally Posted By 67Firebird: A little update; I've tried three different brands of pellets that I bought, and a friend on here sent me several others to try. I've found these two to be the most accurate and consistent, and some marauding squirrels have been dispatched. I think the RWS might have a slight edge in accuracy, but the red tips on the Gamos make loading easier for me. (Without putting my reading glasses on). I appreciate all the help getting me rolling on this, and I'm happy with the results now that I've had time to test and adjust. The artillery grip is so different. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51036/2023-6-21_Pellets-2859736.jpg View Quote If you can get the BB tip gamo pellets they penetrate like crazy. I have shot several skunks with my RWS 34 in .177. |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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I may try that too. Thanks.
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