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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:01:53 PM EDT
Won a M1 Carbine on Gunbroker. Seen the ad sunday night with 10 min left. Looked at the pics and it looked decent. A plus is that its a local (1hr away) shop. Put a bid in totally expecting that it would be outbid. Nope. Won it. 1st gun I bought on gunbroker.
Its a Universal M1 Carbine. From what I could find out looking up the serial number, its around a 63-64 model. Ad said its an early build with some USGI parts. Picked it up today after work. Looks A LOT better in person than the photos did. Bolt doesnt wiggle like most I looked at in gun shows, Metal finish and bore is great and the stock only has a couple small dents in it. Even came with a sling. Now to find some ammo to go play with it. Came with 1 15 round mag.  |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:17:01 PM EDT
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Congrats
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 9:53:16 PM EDT
[#2]
Sweet!
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Posted: 4/16/2024 11:16:48 PM EDT
[#3]
Now find us some surplus ammo!
 Nice rifle. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 11:39:28 PM EDT
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So how much did you pay?
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Posted: 4/16/2024 11:47:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GrimesSU]
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Any reason you bought a Universal?
If you had bought a USGI, it would have history at least. I don't mean to bring you down if you plan to use it as a plinker, but hopefully you didn't pay too much. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 6:06:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrimesSU: Any reason you bought a Universal? If you had bought a USGI, it would have history at least. I don't mean to bring you down if you plan to use it as a plinker, but hopefully you didn't pay too much. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:00:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TontoGoldstein]
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Beware of any carbine ammo that comes in crappy little paper boxes marked 7.62mm. The head stamp will be LC 52. It is berdan primed. The primer lacks sealant.
It is Chinese knock off of real LC 52 ammo. It is prone to head separations and is to be treated has highly corrosive. The M1 carbine was never designed to shoot corrosive ammo. It's short gas tappet system was not designed to be removed and cleaned in the field. Ergo, don't shoot it unless you are willing to get the proper tool to remove the tappet and clean immediately.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 5:04:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TontoGoldstein: Beware of any carbine ammo that comes in crappy little paper boxes marked 7.62mm. The head stamp will be LC 52. It is berdan primed. The primer lacks sealant. It is Chinese knock off of real LC 52 ammo. It is prone to head separations and is to be treated has highly corrosive. The M1 carbine was never designed to shoot corrosive ammo. It's short gas tappet system was not designed to be removed and cleaned in the field. Ergo, don't shoot it unless you are willing to get the proper tool to remove the tappet and clean immediately. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/333347/M1_carbine_ammo_jpg-3190300.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TontoGoldstein: Beware of any carbine ammo that comes in crappy little paper boxes marked 7.62mm. The head stamp will be LC 52. It is berdan primed. The primer lacks sealant. It is Chinese knock off of real LC 52 ammo. It is prone to head separations and is to be treated has highly corrosive. The M1 carbine was never designed to shoot corrosive ammo. It's short gas tappet system was not designed to be removed and cleaned in the field. Ergo, don't shoot it unless you are willing to get the proper tool to remove the tappet and clean immediately. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/333347/M1_carbine_ammo_jpg-3190300.JPG Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: So how much did you pay? |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 7:33:10 PM EDT
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Not to rain on your parade but that is a ridiculous high price for a universal.
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Posted: 4/17/2024 10:27:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TontoGoldstein: Beware of any carbine ammo that comes in crappy little paper boxes marked 7.62mm. The head stamp will be LC 52. It is berdan primed. The primer lacks sealant. It is Chinese knock off of real LC 52 ammo. It is prone to head separations and is to be treated has highly corrosive. The M1 carbine was never designed to shoot corrosive ammo. It's short gas tappet system was not designed to be removed and cleaned in the field. Ergo, don't shoot it unless you are willing to get the proper tool to remove the tappet and clean immediately. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/333347/M1_carbine_ammo_jpg-3190300.JPG It is berdan primed however. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:33:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jerret_S]
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Should have bought a real one because if you are like me you will always think about having the real deal.
I had a IAI one 20 years ago or more. Didn't scratch the itch, sold it, and years and years later got a real deal one. Luckily i kept the ammo and other things all that time. One of the reasons I don't buy a GI looking new made 1911 even though I really want a 1911. I think I may get bored with it. |
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Posted: 4/17/2024 11:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerret_S: Should have bought a real one because if you are like me you will always think about having the real deal. 
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 12:26:50 AM EDT
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The early Universal carbines are not terrible. No collector value, but may be a decent shooter.
Check to see if it is a single op rod or double op rod. The better ones are single |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:08:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeremy2171: Been shooting that 25 years now. No case issues and it's not corrosive. It is berdan primed however. I defer to your experience with it. I had a head separation in my stock Underwood. Given how little we know about this ammo, I stick by my contention that it is better to err on the side of caution. Carbines are way too valuable to risk on an ammo intentionally mismarked from an unknown era of unknown ingredients of unknown quality by a country known for shoddy standards and outright lying. As an aside.....dear Lord, man! How much of that stuff did you buy? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:25:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stevec223: The early Universal carbines are not terrible. No collector value, but may be a decent shooter. Check to see if it is a single op rod or double op rod. The better ones are single |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:29:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ggibbs]
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Many congrats to you, you got one of the hidden gems in the M1 Carbine world. These Carbine's are perfect for those of us who are more interested in shooting than just owning. I've owned two 1st Generation Universal's (30XXX and 70XXX) and they both consistently shoot circles around the dozen or so GI Carbine's I've owned. The older of the two was mostly GI parts in the trigger and bolt group. The newer of the two took some tweaking to get the POI regulated to the sights, but the older one was on perfectly and like yours was very nice looking.
  If there's any down side to them it's uninformed talking-out-of-the-ass comments from people who have never owned one let alone fired one. Case in point- Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By captain127: Not to rain on your parade but that is a ridiculous high price for a universal. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:26:21 AM EDT
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Good score OP!
I recently purchased an Auto Ordnance M1 carbine as a range toy so I don't put to much stress on my 6-44 dated Inland. IMHO, any commercial carbine yo can score for under $800,00 is a good buy. Gary |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:14:40 PM EDT
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The early commercial ones were quite good. The later ones were boomamatics.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 3:03:37 PM EDT
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Well got a bonus last night. My brother had a Spanish Mauser that has feeding issues from the left side of the mag and wanted me to see if I can figure it out. Well last night he told me to keep it, he doesnt want it anymore.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 3:36:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob940: Well got a bonus last night. My brother had a Spanish Mauser that has feeding issues from the left side of the mag and wanted me to see if I can figure it out. Well last night he told me to keep it, he doesnt want it anymore. So much potential with those Spanish Mausers!  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:02:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tep0583]
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Quote History If there's any down side to them it's uninformed talking-out-of-the-ass comments from people who have never owned one let alone fired one. Case in point- Quote History If there's any down side to them it's uninformed talking-out-of-the-ass comments from people who have never owned one let alone fired one. Case in point- Originally Posted By captain127: Not to rain on your parade but that is a ridiculous high price for a universal. Agreed. For an early Universal, that's a pretty good price. For a later one? I wouldn't do it, no. EVERYTHING in the Carbine market has gotten expensive, even the clones. Yeah, I SHOULD have bought a dozen, when they were inexpensive through the CMP. Those days are long gone. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:31:25 PM EDT
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As long as you don’t spend that kind of money on the later ones with the wretched skeleton hole op rod. Those were trashy.
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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:11:48 AM EDT
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There is a lot of Universal Carbine Hate, but for the early ones, they are good to go. Mine has A lot of GI parts on it, If you want a shooter, its great. If your a collector not the best choice but the early ones are well made and not typically worn. I've seen a lot of worn "GI" and rebuilt GI guns that never run as well as mine.
I have an early gun like 1965, that was Registered in the 60s as an M2 Carbine. Its GI except barrel, and receiver (forged) I changed the bolt parts (extractor, springs, ejector) shortly after buying it - zero malfunctions after I upgraded the bolt parts - thousands of rounds so far without a problem. Mine runs on $10 KCI mags too. Destroying the myth M2s only run on old USGI mags. I know a few SOTs with conversion of assumed "better" "GI" guns that can't get theirs to run as well as mine despite replacing most parts. Go ahead and hate Universals, that keep the price low, I buy the early ones for spare parts!!! The later ones I don't have much love for either, but they seem to work for most casual commercial shooters.  Universal M2 Carbine with M1A1 folding stock https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wWKa17yUtHE?feature=share https://www.youtube.behttps://wWKa17yUtHE |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 8:00:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/26/2024 8:16:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ggibbs: Many congrats to you, you got one of the hidden gems in the M1 Carbine world. These Carbine's are perfect for those of us who are more interested in shooting than just owning. I've owned two 1st Generation Universal's (30XXX and 70XXX) and they both consistently shoot circles around the dozen or so GI Carbine's I've owned. The older of the two was mostly GI parts in the trigger and bolt group. The newer of the two took some tweaking to get the POI regulated to the sights, but the older one was on perfectly and like yours was very nice looking. https://i.imgur.com/2dPJh2Ul.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2Xgt6uel.jpg If there's any down side to them it's uninformed talking-out-of-the-ass comments from people who have never owned one let alone fired one. Case in point- Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ggibbs: Many congrats to you, you got one of the hidden gems in the M1 Carbine world. These Carbine's are perfect for those of us who are more interested in shooting than just owning. I've owned two 1st Generation Universal's (30XXX and 70XXX) and they both consistently shoot circles around the dozen or so GI Carbine's I've owned. The older of the two was mostly GI parts in the trigger and bolt group. The newer of the two took some tweaking to get the POI regulated to the sights, but the older one was on perfectly and like yours was very nice looking. https://i.imgur.com/2dPJh2Ul.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2Xgt6uel.jpg If there's any down side to them it's uninformed talking-out-of-the-ass comments from people who have never owned one let alone fired one. Case in point- Originally Posted By captain127: Not to rain on your parade but that is a ridiculous high price for a universal. I have owned and fired plenty of USGI carbines, and unless I got a universal for sub $400 pass. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 9:51:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By captain127: I have owned and fired plenty of USGI carbines, and unless I got a universal for sub $400 pass. But how many Universal's have you fired? A lot of shooters own and shoot a lot of firearms and still don't know chit about them. |
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Posted: 6/26/2024 9:54:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NoMoAMMO]
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That lower left beech stock in my pic is an early universal. All GI except barrel and receiver. Been a great shooter ever since I was a kid.
ETA I had an Alpine several years back with all GI except barrel and rec as well. I wish I still had that one. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 12:03:49 AM EDT
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Took it out to the range 2 weeks ago. Functioned fine on the 50 rounds I shot. Recoil is almost non-existant. Picked up another mag at a gun show. Was ringing steel at 100yds no problem with it. Only "issue" I thought I was having was the mag wouldnt just drop. One of the club RSO's said thats normal and dont worry about it.
Overall its a hoot to shoot. Just wish the ammo wasnt so fucking pricey ($45-50/box locally) |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 9:00:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: backbencher]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By captain127: Not to rain on your parade but that is a ridiculous high price for a universal. Welcome to Bidenomics. Early ones, like OP's, are parts compatible clones so if anything breaks it can be replaced by a high quality GI or Fulton repro. Nice find, OP. Hopefully taking my Da out next week to shoot his IBM w/ mostly Inland parts I helped put together. https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Best-Commercial-M1-Carbine/6-552520/ |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 10:33:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeremy2171: Been shooting that 25 years now. No case issues and it's not corrosive. It is berdan primed however. Concur, I had many boxes of it and never had corrosion issues |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 10:48:39 AM EDT
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I had a universal I traded a $250 scope for back around 2004, and it ran great. Zero problems at all and was a blast to shoot. Enjoy!
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Posted: 7/1/2024 12:56:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By captain127: Not to rain on your parade but that is a ridiculous high price for a universal. It’s on the higher end of the price range but within the price range for an early universal. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 10:32:24 PM EDT
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Took my Da out shooting today w/ his Inland parts IBM & his new Tisas Tank Commander.
Years ago I picked up a stripped IBM receiver at the old Dallas Market Hall gunshow. A few years back I picked up a badly drilled & tapped Inland w/ a chrome bolt & slide & a silver soldered muzzle brake for $500. Made an appointment w/ a carbine collector, and we spun the damaged Inland receiver off the barrel and spun the IBM on. Replaced the folding stock Choate w/ a beat up surplus stock I threw wood filler in and rubbed on several coats of Walmart's finest BLO. Gave it to him for Christmas w/ a repro canvas carrying case and a few mags & ammo. We finally took it shooting today, once I threw some oil on the bolt & slide it ran fine - until the front sight ejected itself from the muzzle brake. I finally rodded the barrel when I got home tonight, & it's almost exactly 18.5" - dunno if that was done to satisfy the 18" requirement prior to the 68 GCA, or if it was a Canadian gun or a gun that traveled into Canada. Could be someone just wanted a muzzle brake, but it appears silver soldered on. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 10:37:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2024 10:56:28 PM EDT
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Is that a lock bar rear sight?
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Posted: 7/10/2024 8:30:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: osprey21]
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Knock it off - this isn't GD.
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