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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 9:24:03 PM EDT
New to the game, and have a DA Wolfman.. I don't have much in the way of threaded barrels, but gotta start somewhere. Looking to get started in a mounting system that I can hopefully use for everything. I will mostly use the WM on a banshee 9mm, and a 300AAC pistol. I'm starting to realize the WM is an oddball, and a pain trying to find something that fits it (and in stock). The xeno/zero seems like the easy choice, but not sure if it's the wise choice.
seems like everyone is on the plan A bus these days. So from your experience and mistakes, which direction would you go? Thx! |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 9:38:44 PM EDT
[#1]
Could be wrong, but I think the Wolfman uses its own unique thread pitch for mounting systems. Meaning it’s not the typical HUB/1.375-24 that is pretty standard. Definitely limits choices I imagine.
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Posted: 4/10/2024 10:09:28 PM EDT
[#2]
SIG / Q Tapered Direct Thread.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 10:39:08 PM EDT
[#3]
Very happy with Plan A. I’d have no problem with Plan B, either. FYI Ecco machine makes a nice Plan A adapter for the Wolfman, which I have on mine.
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Posted: 4/11/2024 2:52:53 AM EDT
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I've been Plan A for almost my whole time in cans, I did have a 51t that Ecco eventually converted for me. There are just so many thread options from Griffin. I have a couple guns with Plan Bs, and they work awesome too. I'd standardize on Plan A immediately if I was doing it all over.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 6:11:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: amphibian]
[#5]
Originally Posted By Skunkape71: I will mostly use the WM on a banshee 9mm, and a 300AAC pistol. I'm starting to realize the WM is an oddball, and a pain trying to find something that fits it (and in stock). The xeno/zero seems like the easy choice, but not sure if it's the wise choice. seems like everyone is on the plan A bus these days. So from your experience and mistakes, which direction would you go? Thx! If so, I would consider 3 lug....but me personally, I only like the old school 'Bixler' 3 lug which mount up rock solid with no wobble unlike the typical push/turn 3 lug mount. Fortunately for you Shaw Armament actually has them in stock right now on their site for the oddball DA thread pattern of: 1.203-28 https://www.shawarms.com/products/thundercan-41182-11646-5176 The suppressor side is made from Titanium while the nut is stainless steel.  The nut is about 1.128" in Diameter so it will also fit just about any handguard in existence for the CMMG RDB. Barrel below has a 3 lug inside the rail which BTW is my .40SW CMMG RDB that I run in full auto.  Bixler mount below  Setup below is 300BLK which I know isn't typical to use 3 lug for that but I'm doing it here. The Bixler mount can handle even full auto .308 while you can't do that with the typical push/turn 3 lug mounts as you will kill the temper of the springs and melt the o-rings. Neither of which exist in the Bixler design.  My previous CMMG 9mm RDB setup which I also use with the Bixler mount. 3 lug is recessed in this small ID MI Combat rail that no push/turn 3 lug mount can fit inside of but is fine with the Bixler nut.  Another example using the CMMG 9mm RDB Dissent that finally uses a fixed ejector that I modified for use of the buffer tube for tuning and full auto. https://c3junkie.com/?page_id=1733   |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 7:24:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Could be wrong, but I think the Wolfman uses its own unique thread pitch for mounting systems. Meaning it's not the typical HUB/1.375-24 that is pretty standard. Definitely limits choices I imagine. Ecco Machine makes a Plan A adapter for the Wolfman. DA has a Xeno adapter. JMac has their X20 mount that fits the Wolfman. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 7:31:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
[#7]
Originally Posted By Skunkape71: So from your experience and mistakes, which direction would you go? Thx! I switched to Griffin Plan A due to the combination of a wider range of barrel thread patterns supported and a much larger muzzle device selection available. I still use DA Xeno Xero with my 9mm PCCs. I switched to Xero from 3-lug because Xeno is simpler, lighter, shorter and cheaper. However, if I were to start over again, I'd use Plan A for that too. I may eventually switch but I just bought the Xeno Xero stuff last year. I don't see Plan B having any advantage over Xeno. Xeno is just Plan B with a reverse thread. YHM SRX also seems very limited in muzzle device selection and thread patterns supported. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 7:45:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210:*SNIP* Xeno is just Plan B with a reverse thread. *SNIP* I did start over from the beginning, and ended up with Plan A (and L, XL) on all my Hub cans that aren’t destined for A2s. It’s versatile, reasonably priced, secure, comes off easily enough when you take it off on purpose, simple, lightweight, and as short or long as you desire. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 10:27:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Skunkape71: New to the game, and have a DA Wolfman.. I will mostly use the WM on a banshee 9mm, and a 300AAC pistol. So from your experience and mistakes, which direction would you go? Thx! I have the DA Wolfman for 9mm and 300BLK ARs. I started using it on my 9mm/direct thread. I preferred direct thread but after finishing the 300, which has a different thread pattern, I went Xeno. No big deal once i got what I needed! It all seems to be in stock now and there are used options on different sites. I went with Wee Brake on 9mm and the Xeno Brake on the 300. I don't get too exited about this and that mounts but have no regrets with going Xeno, I like it and it is working out well for me. I thought about getting a thread adapter and staying with direct thread but the backordered adapter came in so I just dropped that plan. I understand there are brakes and flash hiders from other manufacturers but I found what I needed with DA Xeno. Look forward to seeing what you do. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 11:51:24 AM EDT
[#10]
I'd pick plan a, again
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 12:01:02 PM EDT
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Plan A was my do-over. Started with the YHM stuff. If I started again today, I'd look closer at Plan B, but probably end up with Plan A. I think it covers the most bases in terms of muzzle device styles, supported thread patterns, different length adapters, etc.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 12:50:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1168RGR: Notably longer, too. I get why that did it that way, and it isn't a dealbreaker amount of length, but it is there. That's a personal preference that was discussed in the other recent mount thread. Cherry Bomb fans like the tool feature in the front and mitigate the muzzle device coming off with the suppressor other ways. All these taper mounts work. It's just a matter of the fine details and what's most important to the buyer. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:09:19 PM EDT
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What diameter is the Wolfman can? I would like to look into making a plan b adapter for those if the options are that limited.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:15:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: What diameter is the Wolfman can? I would like to look into making a plan b adapter for those if the options are that limited. Some info in this post might be useful: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Dead-air-wolfman-key-micro-threading/20-511677/ |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:17:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Skunkape71:] So from your experience and mistakes, which direction would you go? Thx! For rifle cans, I'd standardize everything on A2/Gate-Lok mounts wherever possible. For pistol and rimfire, I'd adopt EZ-Lok a lot sooner. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:23:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: What diameter is the Wolfman can? I would like to look into making a plan b adapter for those if the options are that limited. 1.203x28 |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:16:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: Good point, and as it's alluded to, the added length is a tradeoff to add the ability to use a wrench on the rear of muzzle device. That's a personal preference that was discussed in the other recent mount thread. Cherry Bomb fans like the tool feature in the front and mitigate the muzzle device coming off with the suppressor other ways. All these taper mounts work. It's just a matter of the fine details and what's most important to the buyer. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:43:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amphibian: Do you ever plan on getting an MP5 which typically have 3 lug barrels? If so, I would consider 3 lug....but me personally, I only like the old school 'Bixler' 3 lug which mount up rock solid with no wobble unlike the typical push/turn 3 lug mount. Fortunately for you Shaw Armament actually has them in stock right now on their site for the oddball DA thread pattern of: 1.203-28 https://www.shawarms.com/products/thundercan-41182-11646-5176 The suppressor side is made from Titanium while the nut is stainless steel. https://cdn.filestackcontent.com/AUcm0ze0SHM76x9FhaHgpz/resize=width:450,height:300/cache=expiry:max/https://cdn.filestackcontent.com/BdmhdvNPToSZUlBCMHt6 The nut is about 1.128" in Diameter so it will also fit just about any handguard in existence for the CMMG RDB. Barrel below has a 3 lug inside the rail which BTW is my .40SW CMMG RDB that I run in full auto. https://c3junkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/40SW-3lug-AlphaRail2.png Bixler mount below https://c3junkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/40SW-Bixler-CT-AlphaRail.png Setup below is 300BLK which I know isn't typical to use 3 lug for that but I'm doing it here. The Bixler mount can handle even full auto .308 while you can't do that with the typical push/turn 3 lug mounts as you will kill the temper of the springs and melt the o-rings. Neither of which exist in the Bixler design. https://c3junkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/NEA-MGI-AR-300BLK-3Lug-CT9KS-1024x356.png My previous CMMG 9mm RDB setup which I also use with the Bixler mount. 3 lug is recessed in this small ID MI Combat rail that no push/turn 3 lug mount can fit inside of but is fine with the Bixler nut. https://c3junkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/300BLK-A5-RB5005-40SWBolt-NoCan-1024x525.jpg Another example using the CMMG 9mm RDB Dissent that finally uses a fixed ejector that I modified for use of the buffer tube for tuning and full auto. https://c3junkie.com/?page_id=1733 https://c3junkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Dissent-Bixler1-1024x311.jpg https://c3junkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Dissent-Bixler2-1024x332.jpg Thanks for letting it be known that they are making these with Dead Air's proprietary thread. I'm a big fan of the Bixler mount too. Just ordered one to try out with Mojave. SilentMike Dead Air AAC 1998-2018 |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 9:58:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1168RGR: Agreed, but what I was getting at wasn't the tool flats on the muzzle device. While those do add length, its the combination of that and the way tool features are added to the adapter that makes me say that it's long in comparison to other taper adapters. But, I get why they did it that way. Pappas' experience as an auto mechanic may have been a factor... This is why we have so many mounting options. We all have different priorities. That is also why I really don't like when suppressor manufacturers corner us in to their own idea of the best mounting system. Maybe it's best to them. Or a particular agency. Or some vocal people on Reddit. Not necessarily for me. Rugged for example. I'll never buy one of their rifle cans except for maybe that one Hub can they have. I'd much rather all cans came with Hub threads and no mount at all. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 10:40:35 AM EDT
[#20]
I kinda lucked into it a few years ago, but griffin taper mounts are awesome and I would choose again.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:29:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Underaid702]
[#21]
i hear a lot of people like SF.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:12:21 PM EDT
[#22]
I enjoy my xeno stuff. It stays tight and works well for me. I'd probably stick with it given the opportunity again. I like easily swapping stuff around and seeing the differences. It's not terribly expensive or heavy either.
Length isn't really a priority for me, although I understand why it is for others. I like the generous wrench flats on the mount. Makes installation a breeze. I prefer this over spanner style stuff. I had an LMT xeno mount that was a touch shorter, but someone at KG made decided they needed it more than me when I sent them my Sierra 5. I haven't been able to track down another. I haven't needed a "weird" thread pitch xeno MD yet, but I'm surprised to see there's no metric stuff/other pitches out yet. I thought for sure jmac would have this covered, but I'm not seeing anything. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I know FCD makes stuff but I'm sure it's only in 1/2 and 5/8. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:26:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Underaid702: i hear a lot of people like SF. Seems absurd to me to suggest Surefire… $150 muzzle device and $400+ for a custom adapter and no factory support. I have 2 Surefires and I’d have them converted to something else before switching other cans to Surefire’s mounting system. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:28:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: Seems absurd to me to suggest Surefire $150 muzzle device and $400+ for a custom adapter and no factory support. I have 2 Surefires and I'd have them converted to something else before switching other cans to Surefire's mounting system. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:43:26 PM EDT
[#25]
Xeno made the most sense to me at first and I'm not unhappy with it at all. I do think that it's a little longer than it needs to be and do wish that there were more muzzle device options available.
I'm thinking about switching over to Rearden now. Shorter, more muzzle device options, and looks cleaner IMO. I definitely want to try their Blyat mount. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:50:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: A lot of people get all kinds of endorphins over using what .mil uses. This must be why I find A2 flash hiders irresistible. 
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Posted: 4/20/2024 2:56:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hoody2shoez]
[#27]
I went from xeno to plan a. Happy with my choice
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Posted: 4/20/2024 3:06:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoody2shoez: I went from xeno to plan a. Happy with my choice What muzzle devices are you using? |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 3:20:25 PM EDT
[#29]
1x Closed tine on the 12.5 (not always suppressed)
1x ez brake on 11.5 (always suppressed) |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 3:26:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pomyluy: For rifle cans, I'd standardize everything on A2/Gate-Lok mounts wherever possible. For pistol and rimfire, I'd adopt EZ-Lok a lot sooner. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pomyluy: Originally Posted By Skunkape71:] So from your experience and mistakes, which direction would you go? Thx! For rifle cans, I'd standardize everything on A2/Gate-Lok mounts wherever possible. For pistol and rimfire, I'd adopt EZ-Lok a lot sooner. This is my plan when I get the ball rolling on a rifle suppressor. I don’t think it makes fiscal sense to buy all new muzzle devices rather than just buy a suppressor that can fit existing ones. I mean, once I hit that fat lottery jackpot maybe, but for now, that’s my plan. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 6:38:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: This is my plan when I get the ball rolling on a rifle suppressor. I don’t think it makes fiscal sense to buy all new muzzle devices rather than just buy a suppressor that can fit existing ones. And even if all your existing A2s were out of spec, Wilsons are ten bucks apiece and fit great. 
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:29:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Duffy]
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We do make 6315XE (2.157"), 6315XE-S (short, 1.9") flash suppressors, and 1215XE (brake, 2.16") for Xeno
 6315XE-S below:  Attached FileQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redshift556: Xeno made the most sense to me at first and I'm not unhappy with it at all. I do think that it's a little longer than it needs to be and do wish that there were more muzzle device options available. I'm thinking about switching over to Rearden now. Shorter, more muzzle device options, and looks cleaner IMO. I definitely want to try their Blyat mount. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:27:33 PM EDT
[#33]
I have the Wolfman and recently went through this. It's on a pistol that has 9mm, 300 blk and 5.56 uppers. Ended up going Plan B. Simple, inexpensive mounts and muzzle devices from Rearden. If you plan on shooting any supers through the 300 blk, make sure your muzzle device is a brake and that your mounting solution offers that.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 9:31:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoody2shoez: 1x Closed tine on the 12.5 (not always suppressed) 1x ez brake on 11.5 (always suppressed) Griffin or did you find a different brand? |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 3:26:42 PM EDT
[#35]
Plan B/Rearden and wouldnt look back. They also make a Wolfman mount so its as easy as it gets.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 3:43:23 PM EDT
[#36]
Plan A, without a doubt
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:21:26 PM EDT
[#37]
I am content. I do have a Mask, so there is a little variety.
 
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:28:40 PM EDT
[#38]
I like taper mounts. They are stone cold simple and reliable. I have taper mount cans from Griffin Armament and Suppressed Armament Systems. Both use a similar system, but they are different enough not to be compatible.
Going forward, any can I buy will be HUB compatible and get a Griffin Armament Plan A installed. Griffin's EZ Brake is rock solid and does not need to be timed. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 4:37:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2024 3:18:44 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Machine_gunner22: What diameter is the Wolfman can? I would like to look into making a plan b adapter for those if the options are that limited. FYI: Rearden makes a Wolfman Atlas: https://www.reardenmfg.com/product/wolfman-atlas/ |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 11:39:13 AM EDT
[#41]
ECCO Adapter for Wolfman
Griffin EZ Brake OP here.. This is what I ended up going with. Of course the WM is an odd duck, but think I'll be happy with the Griffin taper mount stuff going forward. Appreciate all the feedback guys! |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 12:03:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Standard muzzle threads *mic drop*
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