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NH, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 3:05:12 PM EDT
Rather than doing a separate 5320.20 for every 3 NFA items, is OK to do a single form with say 2 items with a note on the thrisd line that there is an attachment page with XXX items
and then attach a spreadsheet page with any additional items? Or, is a separate 5320.20 required for every 3 items? Anybody successfully used the attachment approach? |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:03:44 PM EDT
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People used to do that, or even make themselves an edited version of the form with more rows, and they'd accept it.
However, they no longer seem to like that, and if you try it they will deny the form and send it back instructing you to just use additional forms. They even added the instruction on the current form: (Complete new forms for additional firearms). |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:12:19 PM EDT
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Nope, doesn't work anymore that I've seen. I just fill out multiples. Its not hard, especially now with emailing them.
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:14:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Glocked]
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Last time I tried an attachment via email it was disapproved. I usually just save a partially completed .20 and just have to enter the firearm info. You can do it all digitally, just make sure your e-signature is wet ink style.
It still sucks, but at least it can be done electronically. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:19:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Nope, doesn't work anymore that I've seen. I just fill out multiples. Its not hard, especially now with emailing them. That gets old when you have 30-40 items going to 3 states 
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:51:49 PM EDT
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The forms are usually downloadable PDFs, right? You should be able to type them to save time. Hit print, change line item, print, repeat. You can fill forms with pdf reader if they aren't completely locked up.
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:53:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -Obsessed-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aksahsalahs: That gets old when you have 30-40 items going to 3 states You know cans and AOWs are exempt right? I'm doubting you have 30-40 MGs SBRs and SBSs. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 4:55:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: aksahsalahs]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: You know cans and AOWs are exempt right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: You know cans and AOWs are exempt right? Yup  Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: I'm doubting you have 30-40 MGs SBRs and SBSs. Currently have 55 that need a 5320.20 |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 5:12:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aksahsalahs: Yup Currently have 55 that need a 5320.20 Well then in that case I say chock it up as a first world problem and enjoy your fruitful life. No sympathy from me.  
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 7:39:52 PM EDT
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People still do a .20? I thought over the past couple years it's turned into a anything goes situation with the ATF.
Oh wait.... the anything goes thing is just for the ATF to get away with. Not us peons. That's right. 
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Posted: 4/13/2024 12:09:53 AM EDT
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Yes, it is possible. I had an attached spreadsheet approved as recently as last fall. But it depends on the examiner. I had another disapproved in early 2023 specifically because it was spreadsheet. I called and explained and they approved it. All were done via email with pictures of the spreadsheet.
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Posted: 4/13/2024 1:07:07 AM EDT
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I have actually had the opposite problem where the NFA branch complains when I have sent them 5320.20 in bulk and I put "1" firearm per form vs. the "3" maximum.
They have come back to me and said..."you know you can put three firearms per form"? I tell them yeah, I know. But you are fucking assholes and if there is anything you don't like about any one esoteric firearm attribute (actualllyyy....our registration shows the caliber was 5.56 vs. NA, etc.) on any individual 5320.20 submission you deny that application and now all three firearms on that specific form are denied vs. just the one you didn't like. So yeah, now you get one firearm per 5320.20 so I can minimize the denial risk and you screwing up my travel plans.. So when I go to a big shoot out of State...enjoy your 50+ individual 5320.20 submissions. The fact that there isn't a more efficient process for bulk submissions much less an eform submission option where I can submit and get an approval in less than a day is just government work at its finest. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2024 6:39:20 AM EDT
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I had one approved in January with the list on a separate sheet of paper. I had originally sent it in with the list on the back of the form (like I have been doing for over ten years) and they rejected it, telling me they wanted it on the separate sheet. Go figure.
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Posted: 4/13/2024 9:14:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: You know cans and AOWs are exempt right? I'm doubting you have 30-40 MGs SBRs and SBSs. You might be surprised. |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 9:34:30 PM EDT
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I cannot fathom asking permission to transport my item that I've already gone through the NFA process to possess.
I will continue to ignore the 5320.20 bs and continue to travel the country with cans and sbrs. |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 9:49:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jbntex: I have actually had the opposite problem where the NFA branch complains when I have sent them 5320.20 in bulk and I put "1" firearm per form vs. the "3" maximum. Yeah, I'm about there. I had an excel sheet that someone had made that looked like the 5320.20 form when printed, but it had lines for something like 12 firearms. And being an excel sheet, it was set up so you fill out the info once on the "control" tab and it would fill out the form on different tabs for whatever states you wanted it to generate forms for. It was great. Fill it out once, print the states you need, save as a PDF, and send it off. Been using it for a few years. So this year, they kicked it back saying to use the "updated" form (keeping in mind, no actual form is required. Per the law, and their instructions, you can just write a letter). So I'm sitting here filling out several versions of the most recent form, which I downloaded from ATF's website. I then go to combine them into a single PDF file with multiple pages. Nope - they have the form password protected so I can't do that. I guess I'll have to e-bomb them with a couple dozen individual attachments. So yeah, if they're going to be stupid about it, I can get stupid too. I'm liking your 1-gun-per-form idea. |
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Posted: 4/13/2024 10:35:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: People used to do that, or even make themselves an edited version of the form with more rows, and they'd accept it. However, they no longer seem to like that, and if you try it they will deny the form and send it back instructing you to just use additional forms. They even added the instruction on the current form: (Complete new forms for additional firearms). This was my experience- what a pain in the ass. |
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Posted: 4/16/2024 11:57:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jbntex: I have actually had the opposite problem where the NFA branch complains when I have sent them 5320.20 in bulk and I put "1" firearm per form vs. the "3" maximum. They have come back to me and said..."you know you can put three firearms per form"? I tell them yeah, I know. But you are fucking assholes and if there is anything you don't like about any one esoteric firearm attribute (actualllyyy....our registration shows the caliber was 5.56 vs. NA, etc.) on any individual 5320.20 submission you deny that application and now all three firearms on that specific form are denied vs. just the one you didn't like. So yeah, now you get one firearm per 5320.20 so I can minimize the denial risk and you screwing up my travel plans.. So when I go to a big shoot out of State...enjoy your 50+ individual 5320.20 submissions. The fact that there isn't a more efficient process for bulk submissions much less an eform submission option where I can submit and get an approval in less than a day is just government work at its finest. |
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