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Posted: 12/9/2023 5:26:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SteveOak]
Looking for one that is not larger than a Colt 380 Goverment in EVERY dimension, length, width, height, weight.
Is there such an animal?  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 6:37:20 PM EDT
[#1]
Kimber micro pistols
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Posted: 12/9/2023 6:52:18 PM EDT
[#2]
Sig 938 should be close.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:25:02 PM EDT
[#3]
Originally Posted By SteveOak: Looking for one that is not larger than a Colt 380 Goverment in EVERY dimension, length, width, height, weight. Is there such an animal? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/415919/colt-government-380-acp-c16623_jpg-3054695.JPG Mine was called a "Mustang", in the 80s. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:40:14 PM EDT
[#4]
Kahr PM9/CM9 is slightly smaller, though heavier.
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/kahr-pm9-vs-colt-mustang |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:45:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AdLucem]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CCHGN: Mine was called a "Mustang", in the 80s. Mustangs were 380 their miniture 9mm was the colt pocket 9: 
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Posted: 12/10/2023 9:24:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BM-ARM-DPMS-guns: Sig 938 should be close. This. I have one. Amazing accuracy for such a tiny pistol. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 12/10/2023 10:07:08 AM EDT
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Glock G43 ??
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/10/2023 10:29:53 AM EDT
[#8]
Rohrbaugh R9 is my favorite pocket 9mm. It's the same size as my Ruger LCP 380acp, but a tad heavier. Trigger is a smooth DAO. Recoil is a tad harsh. But it's been reliable. Not a cheap gun at around $1K and not made anymore so harder to find.
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Posted: 12/10/2023 5:46:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AdLucem]
[#9]
Scott McDougal colt pony .380 and G42 not 9mm
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Posted: 12/10/2023 11:30:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bfoosh06]
[#10]
This webpage might help... look up the Colt Mustang v. ?
The link offers great visual comparison. https://www.handgunhero.com/ As an example... https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/colt-mustang-vs-ruger-lc9s |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2023 10:28:02 AM EDT
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Smith CSX will be close. Single action as well.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2023 10:56:46 AM EDT
[#12]
Kahr cm9 is smaller and lighter. A cw9 is smaller
in all dimensions but the height, which it’s .35” taller than the colt. I choose the cw9 for myself, the little bit of size difference is made up for by being easier to shoot with the longer grip. |
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Posted: 12/11/2023 5:13:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
[#13]
Edit:
Disregard. My dumass read the OP incorrectly. 
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Posted: 12/11/2023 5:29:37 PM EDT
[#14]
Sig P365 is going to be really close.
According to the Handgun Hero website above: P365 is a little larger than the Colt Mustang:  Attached FileP365 is quite a bit smaller than the Colt 1903:  Attached FileThe P365 is smaller that the G43 by the way. Basically the same size as the G42. |
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Posted: 12/11/2023 5:32:29 PM EDT
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S&W SHIELD
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Posted: 12/18/2023 12:41:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BM-ARM-DPMS-guns: Sig 938 should be close. It is, very. My 238 fits in my rear pocket just fine, concealed My 938 peeks, just a little |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2023 1:57:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mini14jac: Sig P365 is going to be really close. P365 is a little larger than the Colt Mustang: I think the P365 is the answer. Note that Mustang is smaller than Government (basically the same deal as PP and PPK). If Government is the yardstick, P365 makes it easily. But it's a far better gun than other small alternatives. People at PF rack 40,000 rounds through their P365. Try that with a Rohrbaugh. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/21/2023 5:37:03 PM EDT
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It looks like the SIG P365 is about the same size/just slightly shorter in length than a Glock 26/27, so they're not exactly an ultra-compact pistol.
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USA
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Posted: 12/21/2023 5:40:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feudist: Kahr PM9/CM9 is slightly smaller, though heavier. https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/kahr-pm9-vs-colt-mustang This is my vote, although they aren't without their compromises... |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 6:43:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stahlgewehr762: This is my vote, although they aren't without their compromises... @Stahlgewehr762 Although that is a Mustang and not a 380 Gov't. What are the limitations of the PM9 you refer to? |
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USA
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Posted: 12/21/2023 7:05:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nickel_Plated]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mini14jac: Sig P365 is going to be really close. According to the Handgun Hero website above: P365 is a little larger than the Colt Mustang: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2614/P365_vs_ColtMustang_jpg-3056710.JPG P365 is quite a bit smaller than the Colt 1903: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2614/P365vsColt1903_jpg-3056711.JPG The P365 is smaller that the G43 by the way. Basically the same size as the G42. Just a heads-up. I found some of the pictures on Handgun Hero's site aren't really quite to the correct scale, which makes them kind of useless for any real size comparisons. Not saying that's the case with the ones you used. But maybe it is. No real way to know, that's the problem. I remember spotting it a while ago comparing different 2011s I think and seeing 2 guns overlayed over eachother being completely different scales. When it was basically 2 2011s that should overlay each other perfectly except grip and barrel length. I'm betting it's from the fact that they basically just copy-paste stock manufacturer specs and images which may not always match each-other or be out of date. For example the listed height was maybe measured with a mag inserted that has a slightly extended baseplate, picture was taken without mag. Handgun Hero assumes that the measurements were taken as pictured and scales the image accordingly. So now the whole thing is off by a 1/4". Sometimes the pictures are not taken entirely square or at the same distance from the gun, that screws up the perspective, which can be enough to noticeably screw up the scale. Sometimes it's minor. Sometimes it'll try to tell you that a Glock 19 and a MK23 are the "same size". |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 7:14:55 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SteveOak: @Stahlgewehr762 Although that is a Mustang and not a 380 Gov't. What are the limitations of the PM9 you refer to? I don't think there are many trade offs - I like Kahrs - Probably the most challenging thing a user of a Kahr will note is The CM9/PM9 has a double action pull to trip the striker. It isn't a bad trigger in my opinion, it isn't real heavy but its not a short light pull and not a short reset - it was designed for defensive actions. The grip is small - that shouldn't be a surprise. If you can handle a small pistol this isn't different. Some have had bad reliability experiences with the PM9 but many do not. At one time there was a 200rd break-in period for them to be reliable. I've used a friends and its 100% reliable - I just bought one. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 8:40:22 PM EDT
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I don't think they make it anymore, but I'm sure if you look around you can find a Boberg XR9S. 7+1 9mm out of a 3.4 inch barrel. Only downside is you have to run crimped ammo or it will separate the bullet from the cartridge sometimes when cycling and jam you up pretty hard. Never had a problem with crimped ammo though.
 
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USA
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Posted: 12/21/2023 10:26:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Stahlgewehr762]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SteveOak: @Stahlgewehr762 ...What are the limitations of the PM9 you refer to? Some of them have feeding issues with some hollowpoint profiles. This is due, in part, to their extremely steep and narrow feed ramp. Also, their uneven round spacing/stacking in the magazine results in irregular feed angles, which can cause rounds to "nosedive" into the feed ramp. There used to be manufacturing QC issues, particularly with the polymer frames, but that may be in the past. |
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Posted: 12/21/2023 11:41:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Elvis121: I don't think they make it anymore, but I'm sure if you look around you can find a Boberg XR9S. 7+1 9mm out of a 3.4 inch barrel. Only downside is you have to run crimped ammo or it will separate the bullet from the cartridge sometimes when cycling and jam you up pretty hard. Never had a problem with crimped ammo though. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/70083/boberg_xr9s-690030.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/70083/20210619_214126-1984569.jpg Now made in Grandbury, Texas, as the Bond Arms Bullpup. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:20:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Now made in Grandbury, Texas, as the Bond Arms Bullpup. Bond also re-designed one critical element: the cam. So the new production guns no longer require the uniquely formulated grease. https://www.bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/bond-arms-bullpup/ But no matter how much I admire Bond, I think P365 is a better match for OPs requirements. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 9:23:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SteveOak]
[#27]
Thank for all the input.
The P365 is interesting. The Kahr PM9 is smaller in every dimension and lighter. AIWB carry is the driver. I wanted to move up from a 380 (Kahr P380) to a 9mm. I ordered a Vedder AIWB holster today. They are having a 20% off sale for a couple more days. Thanks for all the input. Learned some cool stuff. I had forgotten about the Pocket 9. I think there was an issue with Colt copying something from Kahr so they only made it one year. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 9:26:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fxntime]
[#28]
Star Firestar has to be very close.
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Posted: 12/25/2023 10:04:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GLOCKshooter]
[#29]
I switched from a Kahr PM9 to a P365 The P365 is just slightly bigger, and a bit heavier. The P365 fits in most PM9 leather holsters, and a minute with a heat gun gets it into kydex ones. The only complaint I ever had with the PM9 is that the rounds will pop out of a spare mag unless it is in a snug mag holster. You cant just put a spare in your pocket or your truck's console and expect it to not shed a round or two.
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Posted: 12/25/2023 10:58:51 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: Star Firestar has to be very close. I miss the one that I had years ago. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/25/2023 11:31:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: barrysuperhawk]
[#31]
I used to have one of the Colt government model 380s and trading it has been one of the biggest regrets of my gun buying career. I recently picked up a Kimber micro and I can confirm that it is every bit the gun that the government model 380 should have been, only in 9 mm...
I am very much a Kahr guy, and that is what I normally carry, but you were specifically asking about the closest you could come to an old skool government 380... |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 12/26/2023 12:08:31 AM EDT
[#32]
Khar cw9
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Posted: 12/26/2023 9:31:17 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrysuperhawk: I used to have one of the Colt government model 380s and trading it has been one of the biggest regrets of my gun buying career. I recently picked up a Kimber micro and I can confirm that it is every bit the gun that the government model 380 should have been, only in 9 mm... I am very much a Kahr guy, and that is what I normally carry, but you were specifically asking about the closest you could come to an old skool government 380... My intent was setting the dimensions of the Colt Gov't 380 as the maximum limit. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2024 9:52:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: xoldsmugglerx]
[#34]
Kimber Micro 9 or Sig P938 are going to be the closest to the mustang. The sig 238 and Kimber micro 380 are really copies of the colt mustang and dimensionally very similar. The 9mm p938 and Kimber micro 9 are just 9mm versions of the colt mustang. No idea about the Colt pocket nine but it's probably very similar to the p938 or Kimber micro 9.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2024 12:42:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xoldsmugglerx: Kimber Micro 9 or Sig P938 are going to be the closest to the mustang. The sig 238 and Kimber micro 380 are really copies of the colt mustang and dimensionally very similar. The 9mm p938 and Kimber micro 9 are just 9mm versions of the colt mustang. No idea about the Colt pocket nine but it's probably very similar to the p938 or Kimber micro 9. What he says or a Glock 43. P365 is much thicker than a Mustang. Kahrs not too far off but lousy trigger. |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 12:14:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gunnut284]
[#36]
Originally Posted By SteveOak: Looking for one that is not larger than a Colt 380 Goverment in EVERY dimension, length, width, height, weight. Is there such an animal? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/415919/colt-government-380-acp-c16623_jpg-3054695.JPG I would think the Kimber Micro 9 would be the closest, with the Sig 938 and Springfield 911 also pretty close. Some others mentioned are similar size but a lot different in design. Depends on what you want. |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 1:31:03 PM EDT
[#37]
The old Rohrbaughs were tiny.
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NE, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:30:21 PM EDT
[#38]
Springfield 911 was a little longer but fairly close.
They have been discontinued but maybe available 2nd hand. I don't know why Springfield quit making them. I have shot the 380 version and it was a nice little pistol. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:39:00 PM EDT
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Comparing a 1985 Government Model .380 - the M&P Shield 9mm is marginally larger than a Colt Gov't .380 stacking them on top of the other. The weight difference is ~2oz loaded, The frame on the .380 is thinner (0.75") but including the grips are essentially the same width as the Shield (0.95" Shield, 1.03" w/Gov't grips). Length for both is ~6.02". The trigger guard is larger on the Shield.
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Posted: 3/11/2024 12:59:16 AM EDT
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Great advice Sir, my experience has been much the same!
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GLOCKshooter: I switched from a Kahr PM9 to a P365 The P365 is just slightly bigger, and a bit heavier. The P365 fits in most PM9 leather holsters, and a minute with a heat gun gets it into kydex ones. The only complaint I ever had with the PM9 is that the rounds will pop out of a spare mag unless it is in a snug mag holster. You cant just put a spare in your pocket or your truck's console and expect it to not shed a round or two. |
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