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Posted: 2/14/2024 9:39:16 AM EDT
Just checked the website and my email, no changes/announcements. Vaporware or just lousy at updating their website?
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Posted: 2/14/2024 1:05:45 PM EDT
[#1]
This the notification function does not even work, which is a tad irritating....
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KY, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2024 7:25:57 PM EDT
[#2]
I emailed them regarding the beltfed upper, but never received a reply.
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Posted: 2/18/2024 10:08:37 PM EDT
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I saw they added the item to their website, but it's out of stock and the stock alert feature is being weird.
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Posted: 2/18/2024 10:27:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deny_Everything: I saw they added the item to their website, but it's out of stock and the stock alert feature is being weird. Its been on the website (OOS) for a month plus at least withthe release date oif 2/14. I signed for notifications the minute I saw it, havent heard anything. |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 11:46:31 PM EDT
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A belt fed upper is an immensely complex piece of manufacturing, and all it takes is one process of a single part to delay it.
Most likely they are just a bit behind on having it fully finished, I wouldnt bust their balls for no updates yet. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 11:54:59 PM EDT
[#6]
I think I speak for us all when I say:
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MP, USA
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Posted: 2/19/2024 5:39:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JoshNC]
[#7]
I don’t see it anywhere on their website.
Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: A belt fed upper is an immensely complex piece of manufacturing, and all it takes is one process of a single part to delay it. Most likely they are just a bit behind on having it fully finished, I wouldnt bust their balls for no updates yet. Sven Manticore Arms Agreed. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 8:41:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: I don’t see it anywhere on their website. Agreed. @JoshNC https://www.cryostructure.com/product/mcr-cloned-belt-fed-upper-receiver/ |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 9:14:37 AM EDT
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Why do I get the tingly feeling this is Ares Shrike: Part Deux!
All It’s missing is Charlie Sheen. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:08:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnew007: Why do I get the tingly feeling this is Ares Shrike: Part Deux! All It’s missing is Charlie Sheen. So 6 year delay ? |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 2/19/2024 11:39:08 PM EDT
[#11]
didnt it take like six years to get the Shrike on the market?
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USA
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:16:32 PM EDT
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I may have recently received a whistleblower's word that the folks over at FightLite Industries are very pissed about Paul at Cryostructure, and may be pursuing some sort of action...
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MP, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:18:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKzgalore: I may have recently received a whistleblower's word that the folks over at FightLite Industries are very pissed about Paul at Cryostructure, and may be pursuing some sort of action... I wonder on what grounds. FL/Ares patent is expired. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 1:39:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: I wonder on what grounds. FL/Ares patent is expired. It was discussed somewhere on arfcom, iirc the bolt/piston patent was active still thru '27 ?? Not in front of the desktop so I'm not going to find the patent info right now. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:53:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo: didnt it take like six years to get the Shrike on the market? My cousin waited 10 years. Between the time that he put down a $1,000.00 deposit and when they told him that he needed to send in the $1,500.00 to complete the sale was a few months shy of 10 years. Scott |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 11:09:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By canon3825: My cousin waited 10 years. Between the time that he put down a $1,000.00 deposit and when they told him that he needed to send in the $1,500.00 to complete the sale was a few months shy of 10 years. Scott I recall guys selling their deposit/place in line after a year or 5 of waiting. Sturmgewehr/subguns etc |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 4:59:50 PM EDT
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I had some other dealings with him and during the course of correspondence I asked about the belt fed uppers. He conveniently ignored the question, lol. I know how long it takes to bring something to market so I'm sure there was a hiccup along the way.
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NH, USA
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Posted: 2/29/2024 4:34:52 PM EDT
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Personal, I think that the "hiccup" was that Mr . Herring misjudged the cost of producing the upper. So he used those deposits for other products while waiting for those that asked for their deposit back. He finally got to the point of being able to produce the number of uppers that he was going to loose money on to get to the doubled in price new orders. Of course that was also ten years of the patent, inwhich he was not making the upper, but the clock was ticking on the patent.
I think if he had been honest with the depositors and asked for another $500, or whatever his break even point would be, I think that most would have given him the money and been able to use the upper for ten years. There were no "winners" in how things played out. Sure, there would have been a few that held out for the $2,500 price. Ten plus years was a ridiculous time to wait. This is just my opinion. YMMV. Scott |
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Posted: 3/18/2024 3:12:16 PM EDT
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still nothing on the website. anyone have any news?
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NM, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2024 9:42:31 AM EDT
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Hadn't heard of these before. Definitely interested. Anyone know what would be required to get one to run with a RLL? Standard BCG milling?
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Posted: 3/22/2024 12:39:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By linuxgnar: Hadn't heard of these before. Definitely interested. Anyone know what would be required to get one to run with a RLL? Standard BCG milling? I can't speak to the Cryo vaporware upper but the Ares/Fightlight version, yes you just need to mill the carrier. The original "semi" Ares carriers were close to if not drop in as they were SP1 spec. The new ones all come with full auto spec carriers that I have seen and require milling the carrier back. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 3/23/2024 4:36:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TonyRumore]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo: didnt it take like six years to get the Shrike on the market? I got on the Shrike waiting list in October of 1998. Ares took my deposit in July of 2002. I think I finally got the unit around 2012. Tony |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 3:28:37 PM EDT
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The MCR-clone barrel page says April 30 now.
https://www.cryostructure.com/product/belt-fed-upper-cold-hammer-forged-heavy-16-5-barrel/ |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2024 3:56:56 PM EDT
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And they raised the price by $100.
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Posted: 4/5/2024 8:48:11 PM EDT
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 6:18:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stonia: Posted today https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203509/1000003374_jpg-3179338.JPG The fact it's a picture of the CAD model and not a photo of a prototype part sure doesn't inspire much hope. I doubt we're going to see the uppers for years. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:13:11 PM EDT
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email response from the owner paul.
Technically, we are taking orders now, but delivery is not until July currently. Price is $3,300 and includes a customized JP type of silent buffer spring that is balanced to the bolt carrier group. We also have a 6 position gas system so that it will work with any 5.56 mm ammo. Current backlog is 153 uppers. Order of satisfaction 1) Pre-paid orders 2) 1/2 deposit orders 3) Previous Belt Fed Lower orders 4) Previous 80% belt-fed lowers orders (quantity 2 or more) 5) Belt fed Barrel Assembly orders 6) Previous Cryostructure order customers 7) General public |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 2:12:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CleverNickname]
[#28]
Per an email reply, they're now saying by June 30 for barrel orders.
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Posted: 5/2/2024 2:50:30 PM EDT
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"Two More Weeks"
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:45:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CleverNickname: Per an email reply, they're now saying by June 30 for barrel orders. They're making the uppers available to barrel buyers on June 30? Or they're shipping barrels on June 30? |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:15:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NWRed: They're making the uppers available to barrel buyers on June 30? Or they're shipping barrels on June 30? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NWRed: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Per an email reply, they're now saying by June 30 for barrel orders. They're making the uppers available to barrel buyers on June 30? Or they're shipping barrels on June 30? They said barrels by June 30. I only asked about barrels since that's all I ordered; I already have an MCR. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 5:05:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VidaEterna]
[#32]
He’s been pretty communicative with me. Give him some time, or don’t, either way you’ll likely get your barrel soon. He’ll just suffer more stress as he’s hustling to get this order done. I would like to see him be successful in the gun community. His lower on my MCR has been boobies. These barrels are pretty inexpensive, and probably of good quality. We’ll see won’t we.
I asked to be placed on the list for the BF 308 upper. If he gets that to work, that could be fun |
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Posted: 6/2/2024 4:03:13 PM EDT
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Anyone heard of updates? When I bought my lowers, he said June.
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Posted: 6/3/2024 10:40:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: whiteryno]
[#34]
Response I got from him 6 days agoon an Instagram post was 90 days out and he's already sold 156 uppers
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USA
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Posted: 6/3/2024 12:31:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiteryno: Response I got from him 6 days agoon an Instagram post was 90 days out and he's already sold 156 uppers How exactly would you get on the list for one? Is there a product page on his site I'm missing? |
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Posted: 6/3/2024 1:17:15 PM EDT
[#36]
the Page is here but the signup is bugged out.
https://www.cryostructure.com/product/mcr-cloned-belt-fed-upper-receiver/ best bet seems to reach out by email here https://www.cryostructure.com/contact-us/ |
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Posted: 6/3/2024 3:36:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiteryno: Response I got from him 6 days agoon an Instagram post was 90 days out and he's already sold 156 uppers |
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Posted: 6/3/2024 4:08:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Stonia]
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They recently posted a CAD render of a new lower. Someone in the comments asked about the upper ETA and the response was late
ETA:  Attached File Attached File |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2024 8:41:47 PM EDT
[#39]
So. The barrel assembly website says delivery by June 30,2024 or you get a free barrel assembly. Today is June 30 and I do not have my order. Has anyone else gotten their order or have any updates?
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Posted: 6/30/2024 9:12:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhoule: So. The barrel assembly website says delivery by June 30,2024 or you get a free barrel assembly. Today is June 30 and I do not have my order. Has anyone else gotten their order or have any updates? No. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 9:14:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhoule: So. The barrel assembly website says delivery by June 30,2024 or you get a free barrel assembly. Today is June 30 and I do not have my order. Has anyone else gotten their order or have any updates? May be busy with his 50 BMG project  Attached File |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2024 11:40:23 PM EDT
[#42]
Seems to have a lot of planned ventures and products…….
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Posted: 7/1/2024 1:48:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhoule: Seems to have a lot of planned ventures and products……. Be a lot cooler if he finished A. before he started G. |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 10:19:52 AM EDT
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He also has preorders for HK21 barrels, supposed to ship July 31st
https://www.cryostructure.com/product/hk21-barrel-7-62mm/ |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 12:45:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Type7SOT: May be busy with his 50 BMG project https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490765/1000006660_jpg-3254856.JPG I tried finding that tweet, and boy is his X account something. I don't think there's a conspiracy theory that he thinks is invalid. |
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Posted: 7/1/2024 1:03:00 PM EDT
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I hope he is successful and brings them to market soon. I'd love to have a few. Even have an SBR nut sack lower waiting for an upper....
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/3/2024 8:34:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhoule: So. The barrel assembly website says delivery by June 30,2024 or you get a free barrel assembly. Today is June 30 and I do not have my order. Has anyone else gotten their order or have any updates? Nope, but in answer to my request for an update, he replied, "My guys are still working on their items ~ Looks like you get a free extra barrel system. I added it to system notes ~ Paul" It does worry me that he's pre-selling a lot of vaporware, robbing Peter to pay Paul. My impression is that he is honestly working on it, but it's always dangerous to over-promise. |
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Posted: 7/3/2024 11:24:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManlyMatt: It does worry me that he's pre-selling a lot of vaporware, robbing Peter to pay Paul. That's my fear too. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/3/2024 12:06:49 PM EDT
[#49]
Did you order just a barrel assembly or a complete upper?
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/3/2024 12:07:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManlyMatt: Nope, but in answer to my request for an update, he replied, "My guys are still working on their items ~ Looks like you get a free extra barrel system. I added it to system notes ~ Paul" It does worry me that he's pre-selling a lot of vaporware, robbing Peter to pay Paul. My impression is that he is honestly working on it, but it's always dangerous to over-promise. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManlyMatt: Originally Posted By jhoule: So. The barrel assembly website says delivery by June 30,2024 or you get a free barrel assembly. Today is June 30 and I do not have my order. Has anyone else gotten their order or have any updates? Nope, but in answer to my request for an update, he replied, "My guys are still working on their items ~ Looks like you get a free extra barrel system. I added it to system notes ~ Paul" It does worry me that he's pre-selling a lot of vaporware, robbing Peter to pay Paul. My impression is that he is honestly working on it, but it's always dangerous to over-promise. Did you order a complete upper or just a barrel assembly? |
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