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Posted: 9/20/2023 9:30:06 PM EDT
I now know that the following are valid reasons to want to build a supressor.
- Chicks Dig Silence - Addicted to Whisper Pickles - Testing to find out which is more satisfying - Length or Girth - Test the maxim "Anything can be a dildo if you're brave enough" |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 11:07:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Amish_Bill: I now know that the following are valid reasons to want to build a supressor. - Chicks Dig Silence - Addicted to Whisper Pickles - Testing to find out which is more satisfying - Length or Girth - Test the maxim "Anything can be a dildo if you're brave enough" Braver man than I for testing that last one. I'm getting a little frustrated with them lately. I think tomorrow will be 8 weeks on my oldest submittal. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 11:09:30 AM EDT
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Whisper pickles
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Posted: 9/21/2023 11:31:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BASE: Braver man than I for testing that last one. ... I mean, we can't lie on a Govt tax form, now can we? 
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Posted: 9/21/2023 11:34:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Amish_Bill: I now know that the following are valid reasons to want to build a supressor. - Chicks Dig Silence - Addicted to Whisper Pickles - Testing to find out which is more satisfying - Length or Girth - Test the maxim "Anything can be a dildo if you're brave enough"   
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Posted: 9/21/2023 11:45:19 AM EDT
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On form 1 suppressors what is and is not okay to buy? Can you still buy form 1 kits? I’ve been interested in giving it a go and sending it to ecco to clean it up after I finish. But I don’t even know where to start. How do you get the threads in the end for mounting systems?
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Posted: 9/21/2023 12:09:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Amish_Bill]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOldRepublic: Whisper pickles Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOldRepublic: Whisper pickles  Originally Posted By StillGonnaSendIt: On form 1 suppressors what is and is not okay to buy? Can you still buy form 1 kits? I've been interested in giving it a go and sending it to ecco to clean it up after I finish. But I don't even know where to start. How do you get the threads in the end for mounting systems? |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 12:27:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Amish_Bill: Three of the serial numbers are PICKLExxxxx Kits are pretty much gone now that the ATF considers an uncompleted kit the same as a completed suppressor. I'm not even sure what I can suggest without bumping into COC rules. Well I guess my question is, is it legal to buy a tube that is already threaded to accept HUB mounts? Can I do a form 1 and after it’s approved buy stuff and get the tube? What can I do? I wanted to make an octane 45 clone. But have no idea where to start. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 12:31:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AR_Dale]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StillGonnaSendIt: On form 1 suppressors what is and is not okay to buy? Can you still buy form 1 kits? I’ve been interested in giving it a go and sending it to ecco to clean it up after I finish. But I don’t even know where to start. How do you get the threads in the end for mounting systems? Kits are done, you need a Lathe to make one. If you were planning to send it to Ecco, might as well just have them or someone make you a custom one and Form 4 it. I did a Form 1 can that's a clone of a YHM R9, it's wasn't that much cheaper than buying an R9 not counting my labor. ETA: My Octane 45K is least favorite pistol can. I got it BOGO. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2023 12:39:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR_Dale: Kits are done, you need a Lathe to make one.. Or you need to go Old School and use freeze plugs or valve spring retainers. Freeze plugs can do a better job than you might expect, but they are heavy and VSR's need some work with a drill press (or lathe) for the best results. And there was that one guy that made an UZI suppressor out of square stock and angle iron . . . 
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Posted: 9/21/2023 1:09:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR_Dale: Kits are done, you need a Lathe to make one. If you were planning to send it to Ecco, might as well just have them or someone make you a custom one and Form 4 it. I did a Form 1 can that's a clone of a YHM R9, it's wasn't that much cheaper than buying an R9 not counting my labor. ETA: My Octane 45K is least favorite pistol can. I got it BOGO. I love my Octane 9 2 HD and 45 2 HD I just wanted a shorter clone of the 45. Guess I’ll look elsewhere and just get a rex for like $250. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 1:36:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VinnieBoomBahReborn: Or you need to go Old School and use freeze plugs or valve spring retainers. Freeze plugs can do a better job than you might expect, but they are heavy and VSR's need some work with a drill press (or lathe) for the best results. And there was that one guy that made an UZI suppressor out of square stock and angle iron . . . I think the Form1s now get asked how they will make it. If you say a maglite and freeze plugs I think it will be denied. There also use to be thread adapters for oil filters. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 8:58:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: User55645]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR_Dale:Kits are done, you need a Lathe to make one. If you were planning to send it to Ecco, might as well just have them or someone make you a custom one and Form 4 it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR_Dale:Kits are done, you need a Lathe to make one. If you were planning to send it to Ecco, might as well just have them or someone make you a custom one and Form 4 it. Originally Posted By AR_Dale: I think the Form1s now get asked how they will make it. If you say a maglite and freeze plugs I think it will be denied. There also use to be thread adapters for oil filters. You can still buy tubes, mounts, end caps, and "cups". While companies shouldn't be selling "kits", all those other parts are still available and gtg. No, it's smarter to form1, then send to SOT vs form4 a custom. Wait times! You don't need to tell the ATF "how you're going to make it". You can simply state "in a lawful manner". Same as question 4i. Specify why you intend to make firearm. Doesn't need a "real response". Oil filter thread adapters are still sold and, AFAIK, still legal. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 9:00:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By User55645: ... No, it's smarter to form1, then send to SOT vs form4 a custom. Wait times! ... |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 9:05:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Amish_Bill: FYI - my last F1 times for suppressors were 17 and 22 days. (efile, trust, eft) Exactly my point 
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Posted: 9/22/2023 10:41:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By User55645: You don't need to tell the ATF "how you're going to make it". You can simply state "in a lawful manner". Same as question 4i. Specify why you intend to make firearm. Doesn't need a "real response". Have you done one in the last two years? My last was 12/2019 before the kit crackdown. Others have said once they summit they get a reply that addition info is needed for how they plan to make it. Some sent a picture of a lathe or a bar napkin design drawing. You're replying to that with in a lawful manner? |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 10:56:51 AM EDT
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Not only have I filed my own, but I've helped others, too.
Several different wordings, but all to the effect of "All laws to be adhered to, following form approval". Never once have I listed materials, vendors, equipment, etc. @AR_Dale |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 10:57:28 AM EDT
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Last time I was submitting via eforms it did have some BS asking to add pics and documentation regarding the kit vs built thing. I just logged on to look and I cannot find that section anymore, or any evidence that I submitted the word doc or pic I know I uploaded. Either I'm losing it or they removed that crap (or both).
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Posted: 9/22/2023 11:10:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By User55645: Not only have I filed my own, but I've helped others, too. Several different wordings, but all to the effect of "All laws to be adhered to, following form approval". Never once have I listed materials, vendors, equipment, etc. @AR_Dale Interesting. So they are fishing for people to say they bought a kit. Originally Posted By BASE: Last time I was submitting via eforms it did have some BS asking to add pics and documentation regarding the kit vs built thing. I just logged on to look and I cannot find that section anymore, or any evidence that I submitted the word doc or pic I know I uploaded. Either I'm losing it or they removed that crap (or both). That's what many were saying when this started in 2020. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 7:34:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR_Dale: Interesting. So they are fishing for people to say they bought a kit. That's what many were saying when this started in 2020. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR_Dale: Originally Posted By User55645: Not only have I filed my own, but I've helped others, too. Several different wordings, but all to the effect of "All laws to be adhered to, following form approval". Never once have I listed materials, vendors, equipment, etc. @AR_Dale Interesting. So they are fishing for people to say they bought a kit. Originally Posted By BASE: Last time I was submitting via eforms it did have some BS asking to add pics and documentation regarding the kit vs built thing. I just logged on to look and I cannot find that section anymore, or any evidence that I submitted the word doc or pic I know I uploaded. Either I'm losing it or they removed that crap (or both). That's what many were saying when this started in 2020. It's still in there. I submitted another one Friday and it wouldn't let me advance from the line item page until I uploaded a file with documentation of the build process. They are wanting pictures of the parts/materials and written description. I just uploaded a word document that said something like "building from raw materials, nothing purchased yet", then it let me submit. Last time I took a picture of the pile of bar stock I had. I'm hoping they done rejecting applications with no legal basis but who knows. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 10:00:55 AM EDT
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I'm pretty sure both of you are right. They still require the details during submission, but after approval I can't find the supporting info I uploaded. I mean, they can't make it too easy for us to stay consistent with what we've attested as truth on a federal form...
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Posted: 12/26/2023 6:16:51 PM EDT
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Can I sell my unused $200.00 stamp back to them?
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Posted: 12/27/2023 2:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RatSass: Can I sell my unused $200.00 stamp back to them? Sort of - if you haven't done anything you can request a refund within 3 years. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 3:46:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RatSass: Can I sell my unused $200.00 stamp back to them? Can I have it? I’m about to lose my shit hearing about all these 1-2 week turnarounds. I have 2 that just went over 5 months..and a couple more that are like 1-2 months.  These cocksuckers should have some reasonable time limit like with the 4473. |
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