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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:55:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: plaidium]
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Originally Posted By CKxx: How old and how can you tell? Curious. The color and the fact that it's a 90180. The 90180 is really only used on the MK17 and SCAR-H PR in Belgium (and the PR is also automatic). The SCAR anodizing and polymer color varied widely on the original MK17 SCARs. The civilian FNH USA/FREDERICKSBURG, VA SCARs are representative of these SCARs. Such as, - Gold Anodizing, Light Polymer Lower & Stock (the lower and stock basically match) - you'll also see a lot of SCAR 17's in this style or at least I have. - Green Anodizing, Dark Orange Lower, Light Stock (the lower and stock don't match at all) - Light Green/Tan Anodizing, Light Polymer Lower & Stock (the lower and stock basically match) You lower is like the above light colored ones (it nearly matches the stock). And you'll also find MK17s in all of the above colour variants. Later on (around the time of the civilian FN/Columbia SC SCARs), the anodizing and polymer got pretty consistent, with Light Yellow/Tan Anodizing, Orange Lower, Tan Stock. The light colored lower has not been around for a long time. So, you'll often find low serial no. FDE SCARs (like the MK17) with lots of color variation and high serial no. SCARs with consistency. Hopefully that helps. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 12:05:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CKxx: How old and how can you tell? Curious. Also, is there any way to date a barrel? I mentioned earlier it had an aluminum yoke, and also the front sight locks down, nut can be knocked out of the up position. As far as the barrel, I don't know of a 100% accurate way to date the barrel; maybe someone else does. The most I could think to do is check the proof mark on the barrel to see where it was proofed and compare it to other Gen 1 or early Gen 2 SCARs. You could probably ball park it that way. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 4:27:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CKxx: How old and how can you tell? Curious. Also, is there any way to date a barrel? I mentioned earlier it had an aluminum yoke, and also the front sight locks down, nut can be knocked out of the up position. Most of the lowers have date marks inside towards the rear tang. Some of the older ones do not. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 12:08:49 AM EDT
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Mold No.6, and barrel markings. Left cold.
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Posted: 1/24/2024 1:27:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CKxx: Mold No.6, and barrel markings. Left cold. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57691/1000010295_jpg-3105410.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57691/1000010296_jpg-3105411.JPG Just info for those wondering - the top proof (letter with star) tells you the proof controller of the barrel; in this case, Joseph Scholtissen, who started in 1974. The letter will vary depending on the controller. The bottom proof is the definitive proof of the Liege proof house. To my knowledge, that’s all it tells you; no dates of manufacture. One other thing I forgot, does your barrel have a letter on the front of the gas block below the regulator? If it does not have a letter (i.e. A, Z, etc.) it’s a good chance it’s really old (2010ish). My experience is Gen 1 (2010) SCARs don’t have a letter, but just my experience. And keep in mind Gen 1 SCARs did not exist for a very long time; very very very few of them go out. So, you can reasonably assume that the more Gen 1 stylings you have, the closer you are to early 2010. Every Gen 2 SCAR I’ve see has a letter on the gas block and another letter on the bolt carrier. Just as info (won’t help with barrel), the bolt carrier letter is in the forwardmost slot on the underside of the carrier tang. That’s all I can think of to deduce date of manufacture on just parts alone. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 11:54:17 AM EDT
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My Belgian 16" barrel has a "D."
The MK17 barrel has no marking. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 12:26:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CKxx: My Belgian 16" barrel has a "D." The MK17 barrel has no marking. So, my guess would be that it’s from around 2010. |
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Posted: 1/24/2024 12:53:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CKxx: Mold No.6, and barrel markings. Left cold. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57691/1000010295_jpg-3105410.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57691/1000010296_jpg-3105411.JPG I don’t think that means mold #6. It’s the 6th month of the year. Is that the original stock in the pic from the other page? |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 2:54:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: I don’t think that means mold #6. It’s the 6th month of the year. Is that the original stock in the pic from the other page? The stock is from the gun/receiver. I found the MK17 barrel and grip module separately. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 1:45:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mblades]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CKxx: The stock is from the gun/receiver. I found the MK17 barrel and grip module separately. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CKxx: Originally Posted By Mblades: I don’t think that means mold #6. It’s the 6th month of the year. Is that the original stock in the pic from the other page? The stock is from the gun/receiver. I found the MK17 barrel and grip module separately. Gotcha. I was wondering how such an early rifle had a stock with the FDE button vs black. Edit: here’s my early 17, it would be cool to find a mk17 lower for it.  |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 5:42:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Gotcha. I was wondering how such an early rifle had a stock with the FDE button vs black. Edit: here’s my early 17, it would be cool to find a mk17 lower for it. https://i.imgur.com/ljQ0iSZ.jpg That's really nice! Here's another photo since I sidetracked the thread a bit.   |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 12:52:12 AM EDT
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Is there a consensus on clone correct slings for each of the MK16, MK17 and MK20?
It seems the khaki FN HK clip sling would be correct for all three. Were any other slings issued? From pictures, many use Blue Force Gear, was there a specific sling/specific sling attachments? |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 1:18:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By National15: Is there a consensus on clone correct slings for each of the MK16, MK17 and MK20? It seems the khaki FN HK clip sling would be correct for all three. Were any other slings issued? From pictures, many use Blue Force Gear, was there a specific sling/specific sling attachments? sling mounts are commonly the CQD and Ergo contract sling swivel. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 4:58:06 PM EDT
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Thanks Jon. I’ll do some googling and look into those.
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Posted: 3/5/2024 3:07:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AZ_SBR]
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Between the Badger 306-10 scope rings and the Nightforce A107s, is one preferred over the other? I picked up the Badgers not realizing they are steel and heavy AF for what they are. Any good reason to not return these and get the NF instead?
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Posted: 3/7/2024 3:05:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brodband8]
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Just found out SSD13 passed away in November. Wondered why he hadn't been responding to messages. Fuck.
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Posted: 3/7/2024 3:35:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: Just found out SSD13 passed away in November. Wondered why he hadn't been responding to messages. Fuck. Damn. Todd was a wealth of knowledge, obtainer of the unobtainable, and above all else just a wonderfully caring person. He helped me immensely and his eagerness to see others succeed in deriving happiness from this hobby was both genuine and unrivaled. We lost a LEGEND but he will always be the GOAT in my mind. |
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Posted: 3/7/2024 4:25:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/14/2024 11:13:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2024 9:01:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2024 11:38:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat 20 setup is (.)(.) |
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Posted: 3/20/2024 6:21:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2024 1:43:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2024 12:08:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6039_jpeg-3169011.JPG Man that a lot of extra space for an under barrel flashlight 
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:03:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brodband8]
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MK17 in the wild with FH762SV muzzle device.
 Attached File Attached FilePulled from this video right at the beginning, hard to get stills:  The DARKEST Day In Special Operations History |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 11:32:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: MK17 in the wild with FH762SV muzzle device. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283538/fa762sv_JPG-3172529.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283538/sv_JPG-3172530.JPG Pulled from this video right at the beginning, hard to get stills:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fNU8tHlnR8Totally random and not for any reasons at all, but does any one have any pics of the NF nxs 2.5-10x24 in use with the Army on Scars? Tough ask I know with how rare those optics are. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 11:20:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: MK17 in the wild with FH762SV muzzle device. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283538/fa762sv_JPG-3172529.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283538/sv_JPG-3172530.JPG Pulled from this video right at the beginning, hard to get stills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fNU8tHlnR8I think the guy in the back right is using a 13" with an SV as well.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 5:04:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: I think the guy in the back right is using a 13" with an SV as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/224859/IMG_4449_JPG-3175203.JPG I think thats one of the old AAC cans. The other guys around him look like they have reflex 3 prong mounts. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 8:02:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: I think thats one of the old AAC cans. The other guys around him look like they have reflex 3 prong mounts. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 8:17:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: The guy on the wheel hub, grabbing the antenna appears to have a ECP can. Yes, I am talking about the guys on the right. I don't think they are SV mounts or an SV can on the black shirt guy. Looks like AAC 3 prongs and an old AAC scar can to me. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 8:55:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: Yes, I am talking about the guys on the right. I don't think they are SV mounts or an SV can on the black shirt guy. Looks like AAC 3 prongs and an old AAC scar can to me.
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Posted: 4/1/2024 10:21:03 AM EDT
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I also thought I was seeing a locking collar on the right guy’s. So, I thought it was an SV.
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Posted: 4/1/2024 10:25:45 AM EDT
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Pic dump of ODAs. Probably a bunch of dups but maybe a one or 2 that haven't been posted.
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Posted: 4/1/2024 10:27:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/1/2024 10:29:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Posted: 4/1/2024 10:30:18 AM EDT
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Same observation you made in your previous post, but one guy with and EPC and another with an 18T. Interesting.
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Posted: 4/1/2024 11:37:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: MK17 in the wild with FH762SV muzzle device. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283538/fa762sv_JPG-3172529.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283538/sv_JPG-3172530.JPG Pulled from this video right at the beginning, hard to get stills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fNU8tHlnR8 Attached File |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 4:16:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Nvm. Forgot what day it is.
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Posted: 4/1/2024 5:39:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Nvm. Forgot what day it is. You were going to post that announcement from AAC, weren’t you? Same but also came to that realization. 
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Posted: 4/1/2024 6:13:57 PM EDT
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Oh you mean the aac scar can run they "said" they were going to do? lol.
Yeah, that ain't happening. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 6:29:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/1/2024 11:03:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: Oh you mean the aac scar can run they "said" they were going to do? lol. Yeah, that ain't happening. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: Oh you mean the aac scar can run they "said" they were going to do? lol. Yeah, that ain't happening. Originally Posted By AZ_SBR: You were going to post that announcement from AAC, weren't you? Same but also came to that realization. So when I was talking to AAC a few months back trying to convince them to do another run of SCAR-SDs like we did with the FDE m4-2000s, they did entertain it. But eventually they got back saying that it would be to much work and probably wouldn't be worth it. They even mentioned having to research the wholes that NSWC Crane drilled into them lol. Well they then decided to do another run of the SCAR-H 18t Miter mounts after the feedback they received from the glass breakers. So when I saw the post I thought to myself, oh they must of just went on with the next step and decided to bring them back. Then I angrily remembered what day it was lol. it's a shame because they have a chance to bring a cool and unique product to the market. Even if they update it. Which in all honesty, from everything I've heard the OG SCAR-SD was ASS. So ideally a can that looked the exact same as the original, mounted to the 18t, but with modern baffles that reduced the back pressure it would be a home run. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 2:57:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: So when I was talking to AAC a few months back trying to convince them to do another run of SCAR-SDs like we did with the FDE m4-2000s, they did entertain it. But eventually they got back saying that it would be to much work and probably wouldn't be worth it. They even mentioned having to research the wholes that NSWC Crane drilled into them lol. Well they then decided to do another run of the SCAR-H 18t Miter mounts after the feedback they received from the glass breakers. So when I saw the post I thought to myself, oh they must of just went on with the next step and decided to bring them back. Then I angrily remembered what day it was lol. it's a shame because they have a chance to bring a cool and unique product to the market. Even if they update it. Which in all honesty, from everything I've heard the OG SCAR-SD was ASS. So ideally a can that looked the exact same as the original, mounted to the 18t, but with modern baffles that reduced the back pressure it would be a home run. AAC said they were doing a run of the 51t scar mounts, not the 18t. I just wish if they were doing a run of these cans they would tailor it to the clone market and give us what we want. Obviously no one but a cloner is going to buy these cans anyways so it only makes sense to do it right, and charge us for that. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 12:25:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: AAC said they were doing a run of the 51t scar mounts, not the 18t. I just wish if they were doing a run of these cans they would tailor it to the clone market and give us what we want. Obviously no one but a cloner is going to buy these cans anyways so it only makes sense to do it right, and charge us for that.  Which the whole point of bringing them back is for cloners, like the glass breaker, so if it is a 51t another L. I'm not exactly familiar with the difference of the cans mounting system for 18ts and 51ts but always wondering if it was as simple as changing out the latch w/ the teeth for a different one. pics as penance for all the yapping: NSW  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 3:43:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: I was told 18t. I was also told that they didn't have one and were gonna have to source one. I was prepared to send them mine. Which the whole point of bringing them back is for cloners, like the glass breaker, so if it is a 51t another L. I'm not exactly familiar with the difference of the cans mounting system for 18ts and 51ts but always wondering if it was as simple as changing out the latch w/ the teeth for a different one. pics as penance for all the yapping: NSW https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6243_jpeg-3176411.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6228_jpeg-3176412.JPG Yeah AAC apparantly has no idea. I have the chat logs between me and them that say they may be doing a 51t scar mount run. 18T would be the right way. |
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Posted: 4/5/2024 5:29:30 PM EDT
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Not exactly the correct optic but it will do for now until I find the proper one.
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Posted: 4/5/2024 5:35:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Not exactly the correct optic but it will do for now until I find the proper one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6459_jpeg-3179122.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6461_jpeg-3179127.JPG 
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Posted: Yesterday 9:43:16 PM EDT
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I, too, was fooled by the 4/1 post re: 18T miter. I wish it were true as well. As stated, 18T mount + updated internals would be a home run amonst the usual suspects that frequent the clone threads.
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