With the rise of Chinese night vision products (some of which may be IP theft,  or intended for Airsoft) we have decided to clean up the NV general discussion forum thread by creating a new forum dedicated to these products which you will find linked below.

Chinese NV Products  

I have some additional questions that I sent back to administration - because I'm not really sure how to moderate some of this for ya'll.



I was primarily asking because I sort of feel like the intent is to fight IP infringement. However, if that is the case, I had questions about all of the other clone mounts (nv & weapon), weapon parts, etc.

I have read that that various companies are currently lobbying the House Armed Services Committee (Honorable Mike Rogers, R, AL) trying to ban or place 100% tax tariffs on any Chinese NV and Thermal items via the ANVM https://www.nightvisionassociation.org/newsletters/q4-2023/

Detrimental Effects of Chinese Night Vision Equipment Manufacturer’s Involvement in U.S. Commercial Market Require Immediate Corrective Action
https://www.nightvisionassociation.org/sites/default/assets/Files/China_Night_Vision_Problem_Final.pdf

I am probably going to reach out to the ANVM and inquire about more details, as well. I want to come at this from a curious standpoint because we certainly don't want China's low-light capabilities to ever exceed our own.

I'm not sure if that was meant as a dig at me or not, but I do not speak for arfcom.

That is not really a question for me. I got a PM informing me of the change and the only thing I did was post the questions I have.

If that is your question, you're better off asking site administration, who makes all of those choices.

Sigh, I see our great name is getting dragged into the mud again. We are not MODS nor Sr. Staff, Admin or whomever nor make any decisions around here. Enough is enough.

OUT

You not like trucking bruh?

We can reassess the number of sub forums. We're all ears if you guys have feedback. We merge several of them if needed.
Yes, the new forum is for Chinese companies. To limit it to only some Chinese companies would be confusing. As mentioned above, if there are too many sub forums we can shrink that down.

No they're simply as Chinese manufacturer and can have their topics posted in the Chinese NV forum. We didn't ban discussion on Chinese products, just moving them into a sub forum

A site that has been dedicated to civilian firearms discussion for 25+ years is not pro-2A?

There is a possibility that it will be more popular. Not all products that have some association with a Chinese part need to be moved. The intent is to move discussion of products that are wholly owned by a Chinese entity to the new sub forum.

Please keep the conversation civil or you will be banned from the thread - I do NOT want to do that. However, attacking anyone will not be allowed.

I understand it is heated, and it is for me, too... I've poured years into this site and thousands of informative posts in these specific forums.

If that is referring to my post, you completely misread it or missed my intent. I was posting that whitepaper to share that this type of push is rolling a lot wider than many of you think

You should read that whitepaper and familiarize yourself with it. I was going to write them to obtain more details so I can be better informed.

I have done that more than once, and clearly it hasn't worked.

But what the hell, I'll do it again.

I, Augee Kim, COO of TNVC disagreed with and still disagree with the creation of a Chinese Night Vision forum for exactly the reason being demonstrated here: despite our having nothing to do with it, we still get blamed.

I also disagreed with the airsoft forum for similar reasons, which is the last time this happened, and I think I made it unequivocally and publicly clear then.

You can verify with @GoatBoy or @Stylz that I told them that all this was going to do was to piss people off and we'd end up being blamed.

They had and have their reasons and in the end our opinion was noted, considered, however the final decision was made without us and over our heads.

Yes, we are a main site sponsor and proud to be, and it speaks to the long term personal relationships that we have formed from years of being a part of, participating in, contributing to, and trying to grow the night vision enthusiast market that have allowed us to have the pleasure of remaining a main site sponsor. I guarantee you, if it was a bidding war for cash? We would lose.

There's also a hundred companies out there that would love a shot at one of the four spots at the top of the forum on the largest firearms-related discussion site on the entire internet--just look how many forums there are in the Industry section--every one of those companies pays to be there (anyone remember the KAC dust-up a while back?), many occupied by companies with a whole lot larger marketing and sponsorship budgets than TNVC.

Ultimate Night Vision is also a site sponsor here.

Beyond that, I've always generally agreed that there are too many sub-forums, not just in the night vision sub-section here, and it was always frustrating even when I was participating much more extensively all across ARFCOM, before I worked for TNVC. There are 20 separate sub-forums in the AR15 tab alone. And if you're asking about advice for what upper to buy for your next AR build, do you post it "AR Discussions"? "Build it Yourself"? "Rifles, Uppers, Lowers, Barrels, and more"? What if it's a 300BLK? "AR Variants"? What if you're using a modern Noveske billet upper with A2 sights? Where does that go? "A2 Builds"?

My point is not to dump on Site Staff or the forum, but pointing out that continually fracturing subdivisions of forums isn't exactly uncommon or unusual on ARFCOM going back, at this point, literal decades.

The AK forum literally has nine subdivisions for countries of origin, plus a manufacturer, and several others under the "Variants" sub-section. There is a literal "Turkish Pistols" sub-forum under Handguns. I don't know what predicated the decisions to spin all of those different things off into their own forums, but I can tell ya, TNVC didn't have anything to do with those either.



Eh, I get it.

It's the nature of the beast. Either we take our ball and go home and disappear from the forums like many companies have and just keep signing the checks, or we do our best to stick around and continue to contribute positively even while some folks do their best to kick us in the nuts whenever something happens they don't like, whether or not we're involved, because we're here, and sometimes you can even get a rise out of one of our employees, nevermind that we all started as civilian enthusiasts too, regardless of what our professional backgrounds may have been. Hell, I think I've done EE deals with at least half the people commenting in this thread before I started working for TNVC, at least the ones that were here prior to 2017.

But yeah, MIC Merchant 4 Lyfe, I guess.



~Augee