Did I fall for vaporware?

Where PTR63?



https://www.ptr-us.com/product/ptr-63/

After contacting PTR:

"Mid-2024"

Although...
You can purchase from their website RIGHT NOW
https://ptrfirearmsusa.com/ptr-63/

Thats the fake website

I got excited about that the other day when I came across it but its a scam site

They responded to me on IG and told me August.

Wonder if they’ll do alternate calibers.  This gun with with 7.62x39 bolt face as an option gives you lots of options. 7.62, 6.5 Grendel, 6mm Arc.

No telling

Im curious how different it really is

I cant decide if the trunion area looks longer than normal roller rifles

I pretty much want to get this thing and then chop it to 12.5" or so. Hopefully it can take normal roller gun barrels

The newer pics with the more normal AR grip make it look so much better than that horrifying almost vertical skinny grip.

I mean, I’ve got AR grips of all types practically falling out the ceiling so changing it out wouldn’t be hard, but first impressions matter.

I’m looking forward to the 63 as well.  The Mlok handguard will get swapped for one of my old 33 handguards though.  Funny how CNC machined tactical handguards are a cheaper item to make than an injection molded polymer handguard in today’s world.

I'd consider buying if they would offer one without the rail.

Love me some PTR, and love my HK.

I think (?) I’m done with HK pattern rifles (until next time I get drunk and go gun shopping, I guess).

I don't understand the thought process of companies bringing guns like this to market.

A roller locked, stamped steel rifle is an evolutionary dead end, so it will never be a contemporary solution.  It will always be outclassed by more modern offerings.  So, that leaves the 'I want an HK G41, but they are unattainable' crowd, and the 'Oooh, neat, it's not an AR15' crowd. They've alienated the 'I want a G41' group by putting an AR15 grip and a welded rail on it, so their entire investment in this platform is riding on the 'Oooh, neat, it's not an AR' group.  I don't think this will be sustainable for them.

Factory HK grip housings that are compatible with the mounting scheme on the G41 are available, but they share architecture with the 21e and 23e, and sell for over a thousand dollars (I'm not aware of any that are US made, but maybe there are).  Even so, these would need to be modified to fit, and only a few would risk hacking up a $1,000 grip housing to make a clone.

Sig used this same formula when bringing the 550 to the US market: Make a retro gun that people want, but try to make it as much like an AR15 as possible.  Unsurprisingly, it didn't work out.  

I think they would sell a few more if they made something that could be a better starting point for a decent G41 clone.

i agree 100% they should have made it clone correct

Well said and my exact feelings.If they did a true clone I’d be all over it but this isn’t a clone it’s a FrankenClone.

I completely agree with your assessment.


Beltfed Precision is bringing a US made 21E/23E/11E/13E trigger housing to market. PTR could have collaborated with Carlos on it and had a better solution. It would have also allowed for a G3 stock, which would be better than the two vertical pin retention that the G41 borrowed from the mp5k.

The G41 trigger housing is different from the E trigger housing and not cross compatible. Stripped E housings also sell for about $1500-1600.