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mcordell Member Joined Dec 2012 Posts 4948 EE 100% (716) TN, USA	Posted: 9/8/2022 8:35:20 AM EDT [#1] Quote History Originally Posted By bmwmc: With e-file available, why did you do a paper Form 4? View Quote This was a can that was purchased from an individual out of state. Had to go on a Form 4 to a dealer in his state first. In that case the only option is a Paper Form 4.

bmwmc

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Posted: 9/8/2022 8:07:49 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By mcordell:

This was a can that was purchased from an individual out of state.

Had to go on a Form 4 to a dealer in his state first.

In that case the only option is a Paper Form 4.

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Originally Posted By mcordell:

Originally Posted By bmwmc:

With e-file available, why did you do a paper Form 4?

This was a can that was purchased from an individual out of state.

Had to go on a Form 4 to a dealer in his state first.

In that case the only option is a Paper Form 4.

Genuinely curious about a two month approval. Individual in another state transferred to a dealer in your state? That's what took 2 months? Once a dealer in your state had the can, he could have e-filed to you. I don't see how it would matter used vs new can.

chargerdude70 It is what it is!! Joined Mar 2014 Posts 2278 EE 100% (48) MI, USA	Posted: 9/8/2022 8:19:17 PM EDT [Last Edit: BigWaylon] [#3] Deleted

Gremyashchy1911 Member Joined Jul 2016 Posts 319 EE 100% (46) TN, USA	Posted: 9/9/2022 3:56:20 AM EDT [#4] Individual Silencer through SS Submitted 08/13/21 Pending 08/23/21 Approved 08/27/22 To Dealer 09/2/22

mcordell

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Posted: 9/9/2022 12:52:04 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By bmwmc:

Genuinely curious about a two month approval. Individual in another state transferred to a dealer in your state? That's what took 2 months? Once a dealer in your state had the can, he could have e-filed to you. I don't see how it would matter used vs new can.

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Nope, individual directly to a dealer in their same state and then Form 3 to a dealer in my state.

Suppressor was purchased from an individual out of state. The process for this is generally as follows:

The individual files a Form 4 (the person who currently has possession of the suppressor/person selling the can) to get it transferred to a FFL/SOT in their state so it can then be placed on a Form 3 (FFL/SOT to FFL/SOT) to the receiving dealer that is out of state.

In this case the first Form 4 from the individual (party selling the can) to the FFL/SOT (in their state) has to be done via a paper Form 4.

Once it arrives on a Form 3 to the out of state FFL/SOT it can then go on a Form 4 (to the end purchaser / individual) that can be e-filed.

Alternatively - some dealers that are out of state may be cool with receiving a class 3 item from an individual. In my case they were not, so had to go through a local FFL to get it on a Form 3 first.

The additional Form 3 doesn't add much wait at all. Just a little bit more of a pain in the ass.

End result was still a paper form 4 that got approved in under 3 months.

Sorry if that was long winded. Probably could have articulated that better.

steve8140 Member Joined Nov 2009 Posts 4330 EE 100% (88) NH, USA	Posted: 9/10/2022 2:47:41 PM EDT [Last Edit: steve8140] [#6] Paper form 4 - suppressor Trust with two responsible people Dead Air Sandman-S Purchased 5/30/21 Went pending 6/18/21 Approved 9/2/22 Pickup from dealer 9/10/22 Examiner was Danela Gilbert 468 days since purchase date. 442 days from pending to approved. Just shy of 15 months. This is my first suppressor.

heavily_armed Joined Jan 2001 Posts 7561 EE 100% (22) MI, USA	Posted: 9/11/2022 3:07:17 AM EDT [#7] Paper form 4 trust suppressor ATF check cashed 7/22/2021 Stamp date approved 8/26/2022

Projectinfinity

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Posted: 9/11/2022 10:16:51 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By mcordell:

Nope, individual directly to a dealer in their same state and then Form 3 to a dealer in my state.

Suppressor was purchased from an individual out of state. The process for this is generally as follows:

The individual files a Form 4 (the person who currently has possession of the suppressor/person selling the can) to get it transferred to a FFL/SOT in their state so it can then be placed on a Form 3 (FFL/SOT to FFL/SOT) to the receiving dealer that is out of state.

In this case the first Form 4 from the individual (party selling the can) to the FFL/SOT (in their state) has to be done via a paper Form 4.

Once it arrives on a Form 3 to the out of state FFL/SOT it can then go on a Form 4 (to the end purchaser / individual) that can be e-filed.

Alternatively - some dealers that are out of state may be cool with receiving a class 3 item from an individual. In my case they were not, so had to go through a local FFL to get it on a Form 3 first.

The additional Form 3 doesn't add much wait at all. Just a little bit more of a pain in the ass.

End result was still a paper form 4 that got approved in under 3 months.

Sorry if that was long winded. Probably could have articulated that better.

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How long was the initial form 4 to dealer?

I’m a FFL/SOT and I bought a Sten out of state from a private individual and was just curious.

jeremywills Joined Nov 2005 Posts 3336 EE 0% (0) TX, USA	Posted: 9/14/2022 6:19:36 AM EDT [Last Edit: jeremywills] [#9] Sandman S MIL in FDE. Trust on paper form 4 Submitted May 5 2021 Approved Aug 30 2022 Emailed from dealer and in hand Sep 13 2022 Tottal of 481 days from submitted to in hand. Longest wait for me yet.

Rosta97 Member Joined Jan 2010 Posts 6071 EE 100% (53) AK, USA	Posted: 9/14/2022 9:32:26 AM EDT [#10] Form 4 individual Purchased 7/30/21 Check cashed 9/18/21 Approved 9/06/22 In hand 9/13/22 Keith D. Hammond

AB602 Member Joined Jul 2013 Posts 949 EE 100% (1) WA, USA	Posted: 9/15/2022 1:39:02 PM EDT [#11] Form 4 Individual Rex Silentium MG7 Purchased: 6/3/2021 Check Cashed: 6/30/2021 Approved: 8/18/2022 Received at Dealer: 9/13/2022 440 days between the check cashing and receiving the stamp at my dealer.

morning_would Joined Jan 2014 Posts 4267 EE 100% (38) DC, USA	Posted: 9/20/2022 2:01:26 PM EDT [#12] Form 4 Individual YHM Resonator K Purchased: July/2021 Check Cashed: 8/3/2021 Approved: ????? Received at Dealer: 9/20/2022 Just got the call 5 minutes ago.

hoody2shoez Member Joined Aug 2017 Posts 2448 EE 100% (5) USA	Posted: 9/20/2022 10:18:37 PM EDT [#13] Form 4 trust Purchased 8/1/2021 Can in hand 9/20/22

thirsty Esse quam videri Joined Feb 2006 Posts 13041 EE 100% (83) OH, USA	Posted: 9/21/2022 2:39:19 PM EDT [#14] Silencer- Individual Purchased: 10/02/2021 Check cashed: 10/12/2021 Approved: 09/13/2022 Wolverine PBS-1 It’s a nice piece. I have a bunch of adapters. Can’t wait to break it in.

whiteryno Florida Man Joined Sep 2010 Posts 378 EE 100% (10) FL, USA	Posted: 9/21/2022 7:17:58 PM EDT [Last Edit: whiteryno] [#15] Form 4 trust 1 RP YHM turbo K Check Cashed: 9/9/2021 Approved form Received at Dealer: 9/21/2022

Draco223

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Posted: 9/22/2022 2:30:06 AM EDT

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F4 - Trust

Purchased 3 cans 2017 (under FFL) - and kept under FFL until Sep. 2022* -

Submitted F4 Aug 2021 -all 3 -
Approved F4 Sep 2022 -all 3 -

Took 2 weeks for the F4's to arrive in the mail.

From F4s put in mailbox, to approved F4s received - 13 months -

*Posted this, since I figured they lost the F3...couldn't find records, etc. No issues on that side, it all went well.

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AR15JoeL MOLON LABE Joined Jul 2004 Posts 2001 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 9/23/2022 3:16:54 PM EDT [#17] Form4 2 person Trust Deadair Mask HD Deadair giveaway: 7/04/21 Check Cashed: 8/06/21 Approved: 8/31/22 Received at Dealer: 9/23/2022 414 days between the check cashing and receiving the stamp at my dealer.
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morning_would Joined Jan 2014 Posts 4277 EE 100% (38) DC, USA	Posted: 9/23/2022 9:54:08 PM EDT [#18] Second stamp back in 3 days Form 4 Individual Silencerco Sparrow Purchased: October 3, 2021 Check Cashed: October 12, 2021 Approved: ????? Received at Dealer: 9/23/2022

HK40 Member Joined Sep 2002 Posts 126 EE 0% (0) FL, USA	Posted: 9/26/2022 11:00:56 AM EDT [#19] Form 4 Paper - Individual Mailed - 10/2/21 Checked Cashed - 10/7/21 Approved - 9/13/22 In hand - 9/25/22 354 days between check cashing and stamp being received

steve8140 Member Joined Nov 2009 Posts 4346 EE 100% (88) NH, USA	Posted: 9/26/2022 5:46:23 PM EDT [#20] Paper form 4 - suppressor Trust with two responsible people Rugged Obsidian 9 Purchased 8/22/21 Went pending 9/17/21 Approved 9/14/22 Pickup from dealer 9/26/22 Examiner was Sara B. Free???? 400 days since purchase date. 362 days from pending to approved.

swampvol Member Joined Jan 2016 Posts 12069 EE 100% (11) SC, USA	Posted: 9/26/2022 7:26:17 PM EDT [Last Edit: swampvol] [#21] Form 4/Individual Ruger Silent-SR Rimfire can. Check cashed 9/22/2021 Approve 9/14/2022 At Dealer 9/26/2022 Too lazy to do the math, but I know it's too damn long. ETA: (26-22)+365 = 369 days from cashed to delivered lol
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hurricane7 Member Joined Apr 2011 Posts 343 EE 100% (15) MI, USA	Posted: 9/27/2022 7:03:06 AM EDT [#22] Form 4 Individual Purchased 08/22/21 Pending 09/14/21 Approved 09/16/22 Picked up 09/26/22
	YSHBABJ

michealj Member Joined Apr 2005 Posts 1552 EE 100% (4) UT, USA	Posted: 9/28/2022 2:12:19 PM EDT [Last Edit: michealj] [#23] Q Half Nelson. Purchased: 13 Sept. 2021 Transfer to dealer: 13 Oct 2021 Form 4: Individual Mailed: 17 Oct 2021 Approved: 20 Sept 2022 Arrived at dealer: 26 Sept 2022

Zip196 Scandal-Free Joined May 2009 Posts 1443 EE 100% (264) CO, USA	Posted: 9/30/2022 3:39:09 PM EDT [Last Edit: Zip196] [#24] YHM Turbo T2 Silencer Shop single shot Purchased 7/30/21 Check cashed 8/24/21 Stamp at dealer 9/27/22 Picked up 9/29/22 FATF
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GuynamedDave Joined Apr 2010 Posts 2753 EE 100% (164) USA	Posted: 10/5/2022 12:27:45 AM EDT [#25] Paper form 4 Filed 7/17/21 Pending 10/18/21 Picked up today 9/4/22 No clue when it was approved, but I got the email and picked up today

high-drag_low-speed Tier None Joined Mar 2014 Posts 1719 EE 0% (0) MO, USA	Posted: 10/7/2022 6:58:32 PM EDT [Last Edit: high-drag_low-speed] [#26] YHM R9 Trust Silencer Shop Purchased: 6/21/21 from Hanshon Bros At my dealer: 7/23/21? Filed: 8/6/21 Checked cashed: 8/17/21 Approved: 9/3/22 Stamp at dealer: ? Dealer called and picked up on: 10/7/22
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scottMO Member Joined Feb 2001 Posts 8846 EE 100% (947) AR, USA	Posted: 10/8/2022 12:19:17 PM EDT [#27] Purchased November 1, 2021 Check cashed November 12, 2021 Approved October 3, 2022
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shortround Member Joined Nov 2000 Posts 3164 EE 100% (3) MI, USA	Posted: 10/10/2022 6:39:39 PM EDT [Last Edit: shortround] [#28] Paper Form 4 Trust Suppressor - purchased through Silencershop. 1 RP. ATF cashed check 09/17/2021 Stamp approved 9/29/2022 Stamp arrived at dealer 10/10/2022 388 days.
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TescoVee Noncompliant Joined Jan 2011 Posts 17092 EE 100% (4) WI, USA	Posted: 10/11/2022 5:26:48 PM EDT [#29] Two F4 silencers, both with the same dates: Mailed: 10/25/2021 Cashed: 11/4/2021 Approved: 9/27/2022 At Dealer: 10/7/2022
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Princeton Team Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts 5130 EE 100% (104) PA, USA	Posted: 10/13/2022 12:46:48 AM EDT [#30] Form 4 Individual Rad 22 Suppressor Filed 3/4/22 Approved 10/12/22 My first suppressor. Mailed paperwork for 2 SBR the same day in March and both were approved in less than 2 months. Makes no sense that this should take 7 months assuming background checks are the same.

m24shooter Is the big woman still here? Joined Jan 2002 Posts 10116 EE 100% (15) TX, USA	Posted: 10/13/2022 10:11:34 AM EDT [#31] SiCo Omega 300 purchased through Capital Armory on a 1 RP trust. Purchased 7/2/21 Docusign 7/2/21 Check mailed 7/7/21 Received 9/21/21 Check cashed ??? Approved ??? Stamp at CA 10/12/22
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jeremywills Joined Nov 2005 Posts 3371 EE 0% (0) TX, USA	Posted: 10/13/2022 11:14:16 PM EDT [#32] Wolfman 9mm 1 RP Trust Submitted 10/9/21 Approved 09/29/22 In hand 10/13/22 369 days total

Gloworm19 JMQ 1/20/09 Joined Mar 2006 Posts 4088 EE 100% (15) VA, USA	Posted: 10/18/2022 9:08:05 PM EDT [Last Edit: Gloworm19] [#33] YHM Turbo K, Form 4, individual Submitted: 11/04/21 Checked cashed about 2 wks later Approved: 10/12/22 Stamp arrived, item picked up at my FFL: 10/18/22 349 days in jail, but she's free now.
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PICURx

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USA

Posted: 10/22/2022 11:36:33 AM EDT

[#34]

Paper form 4 through SS kiosk
Trust with one responsible person
YHM Turbo K

Purchased 5/14/21
Form 4 mailed 5/17/21
Check cashed 5/24/21
Approved 6/7/22

Finally got around to checking on it on 9/13/22 and was told it had been approved on 6/7/22. Original tax stamp supposedly lost in mail. Took two weeks after second attempt to get a copy of the approved form for it to arrive. Finally picked up on 10/11/22.

389 days purchased to approved

DrRockso Joined Feb 2022 Posts 158 EE 0% (0) IA, USA	Posted: 10/22/2022 3:04:09 PM EDT [#35] Form 4 individual YHM Turbo T2 Purchased: 1Oct2021 Check cashed: 4Nov2021 Approved: 27Sep2022 Picked up: 20Oct2022

joesrcool Member Joined Nov 2008 Posts 514 EE 100% (40) KS, USA	Posted: 10/24/2022 9:57:27 PM EDT [#36] Form 4 Single Shot Trust Submitted: 11/11/2021 Check Cashed: 11/21/2021 Approved: 10/17/2022 At Dealer: 10/24/2022 337 days between check cashed and stamp at the dealer.

chargerdude70 It is what it is!! Joined Mar 2014 Posts 2300 EE 100% (48) MI, USA	Posted: 10/25/2022 8:44:33 PM EDT [Last Edit: chargerdude70] [#37] Form 4 Trust 1 RP Sons first NFA item Purchased: 09/06/2021 CK cashed: 10/01/2021 Approved: 10/07/2022 At Dealer: 10/21/2022 371 days Ck cashed to approval 410 days purchase to to dealer

nhill Joined Oct 2008 Posts 113 EE 0% (0) FL, USA	Posted: 10/26/2022 10:12:07 PM EDT [#38] 2 Supressors….paper form 4 2 person trust Check cashed 9/17/21 Approved/signed 9/22/22 Form at dealer 10/22/22 The numbers one this thread are ridiculous, but these were my last paper form 4s

doyouquaxu Joined Jun 2019 Posts 331 EE 100% (5) TX, USA	Posted: 10/28/2022 1:35:01 PM EDT [#39] Sig MCX SBR Trust, 1 RP Purchased 8/26/21 Check Cashed 9/11/21 Stamp approved 8/11/22 Called by dealer 8/26/22 1 full year.

carholio Member Joined Jun 2021 Posts 340 EE 100% (14) PA, USA	Posted: 11/1/2022 7:59:00 PM EDT [Last Edit: carholio] [#40] YHM Turbo T2 - Silencer Shop paper form 4 - trust Purchased - 11/4/21 My local SS dealer submitted form to ATF - 11/18/21 Approved - 10/21/22 Picked up - 11/1/22 3 days shy of a full year from date of purchase. .
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CherryRipe Joined Feb 2003 Posts 973 EE 100% (28) TN, USA	Posted: 11/4/2022 7:04:54 PM EDT [#41] Individual - Sico Hybrid 46 Purchased 9-21-21 Cashed 10-19-21 Approved 10-20-22 Mailed stamp to dealer 10-25-22 Picked up 11-4-22 410 days Examiner - N. Hartsoc

sks447 Joined Jul 2011 Posts 422 EE 100% (1) NV, USA	Posted: 11/7/2022 9:50:57 AM EDT [Last Edit: sks447] [#42] YHM Stinger .22 can. Paper form 4 at dealer. Purchased 9/28/2021 Check cashed ? Approved 10/3/2022 Received 11/5/2022 404 days. Fun fact - Anyone could have made and had a baby in a shorter period of time.

bnielsonak47 Member Joined Aug 2004 Posts 2874 EE 100% (5) USA	Posted: 11/10/2022 8:06:11 PM EDT [Last Edit: bnielsonak47] [#43] Trust-2 person for an OSS(at the time) 7.62 ATF cashed check Dec 16th 2021 Approved Oct 28th 2022 Picked up 11/10/2022 I can’t math right now

11B3XCIB Joined Apr 2012 Posts 1206 EE 100% (17) SC, USA	Posted: 11/10/2022 10:31:32 PM EDT [Last Edit: 11B3XCIB] [#44] Individual Paper Form 4 Purchased through SS: 11/08/21 Pending with ATF: 11/29/21 Approved: 11/02/22 ETA: Picked up: 11/14/22

AR_Marv Member Joined Apr 2017 Posts 764 EE 100% (180) IN, USA	Posted: 11/12/2022 2:37:20 PM EDT [#45] SF 762Mini SS Single Shot Trust Check cashed 12/1/21 Approved 10/29/22 333 days from check cashing Pickup up 11/8/22

Heineken Joined Aug 2005 Posts 7741 EE 100% (264) USA	Posted: 11/13/2022 1:35:59 AM EDT [#46] Colt m16a2 Form 4 paper, trust, 1 RP Ohio Pending 1/24/22 Approved 11/4/22 Received 11/12/22 286 days by my math. Finally...I am usually on the other side of the bell curve!

Manimals Joined May 2012 Posts 160 EE 0% (0) FL, USA	Posted: 11/14/2022 11:12:11 AM EDT [#47] Dead Air - Nomad 30 Trust - 2 RP Purchased: 11/08/2021 Check Cashed: 11/18/2021 Approved: 10/17/2022 Dealer called: 11/11/2022 Picked Up: 11/12/2022 Examiner: Kristin McFalls

Real_PhillBert Member Joined Jun 2014 Posts 7253 EE 100% (2) ND, USA	Posted: 11/22/2022 7:44:37 PM EDT [Last Edit: Real_PhillBert] [#48] Rugged Razor 7.62 - Individual Purchased - 11/8/2021 Submitted - 12/2/2021 Check Cashed - 12/18/2021 Approved - 11/7/2022 Arrived at dealer - 11/21/2022 In hand - 11/22/2022 Examiner - Trish Bartles 355 days from submission to in hand.

themissinglink Just a guy on a forum Joined May 2010 Posts 4574 EE 100% (744) FL, USA	Posted: 11/29/2022 4:08:39 PM EDT [#49] Form 4 Suppressor Individual. In state to in state. Submitted 02.01.2022 Pending 02.07.2022 Approved 11.14.2022
	nothing is absolute

bmwmc

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TN, USA

Posted: 12/2/2022 9:27:14 PM EDT

[#50]

YHM Turbo K

Form mailed 10/1/2021
Check cashed 10/8/2021
Called ATF 10/27/2022 (approval was 9/19/2022)
Dealer requested certified copy 10/27/2022
Called ATF 11/15/2022 no record of dealers request
Dealer requested certified copy second time 11/15/2022
Original stamp at dealer 12/2/2022 (post marked 11/22/2022)

346 days check cashed to approval
74 days approval to stamp at dealer

Fired a few shots into the night because I believe in trying new toys immediately. Think I'm going to like it.

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