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Posted: 9/23/2016 5:26:15 PM EDT
NFA bug has bit me bad and all I can think about is how cool my 20ga/357mag would be chopped down to 12-14". If I understand correctly, with a length over 12" it would be a AOW. This would make a pretty handy hiking rifle able to take any game in my AO within reasonable distances. How will the 20ga perform at this length? Will shortening the barrels throw of my joint poi? Thanks for the advice!
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Posted: 9/23/2016 5:34:40 PM EDT
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I believe since it is already a shotgun, you can only SBS it. AOW's have to come from a virgin receiver (not sure if I used the correct terminology).
Anyhow, do the SBS. Post pics, too |
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Posted: 9/23/2016 6:05:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RumbleTruck:
I believe since it is already a shotgun, you can only SBS it. AOW's have to come from a virgin receiver (not sure if I used the correct terminology). Anyhow, do the SBS. Post pics, too Exactly |
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Posted: 9/23/2016 8:33:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26:
Exactly Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By RumbleTruck:
I believe since it is already a shotgun, you can only SBS it. AOW's have to come from a virgin receiver (not sure if I used the correct terminology). Anyhow, do the SBS. Post pics, too Exactly Combo guns such as the savage 24 series will be AOWs if they meet certain standards. They aren't SBS because of the rifle barrel and they aren't SBR because of the shotgun barrel. From the ATF AOW reg Weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:53:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By williewvr:
Combo guns such as the savage 24 series will be AOWs if they meet certain standards. They aren't SBS because of the rifle barrel and they aren't SBR because of the shotgun barrel. From the ATF AOW reg Weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By williewvr:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By RumbleTruck:
I believe since it is already a shotgun, you can only SBS it. AOW's have to come from a virgin receiver (not sure if I used the correct terminology). Anyhow, do the SBS. Post pics, too Exactly Combo guns such as the savage 24 series will be AOWs if they meet certain standards. They aren't SBS because of the rifle barrel and they aren't SBR because of the shotgun barrel. From the ATF AOW reg Weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading This. Everyone gets the whole "virgin receivers" mantra in their head without understanding what it means. The AOW category includes a number of types of firearms. One type is smoothbore handguns. For it to be a handgun, it can't have ever had a stock. If it did, it would have been a shotgun, not a handgun. If the gun has both rifled and smoothbore barrels, it is a combination gun. If the barrels are between 12" and 18", it is an AOW. If you take a combination gun with a barrel greater than or equal to 18" and cut it down, it becomes an AOW. Since it has a smooth bore, it can't be an SBR. Since it has a rifled barrel, it can't be an SBS. What I want someone to do is ask BATFE what category it would fit into if they took a combination gun and cut the barrels to below 12". It could be neither SBR or SBS, and the barrels would be too short to fit into the AOW category. So, being neither fish or fowl, what is it? |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 1:34:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/26/2016 5:37:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SiVisPacem:
This. Everyone gets the whole "virgin receivers" mantra in their head without understanding what it means. The AOW category includes a number of types of firearms. One type is smoothbore handguns. For it to be a handgun, it can't have ever had a stock. If it did, it would have been a shotgun, not a handgun. If the gun has both rifled and smoothbore barrels, it is a combination gun. If the barrels are between 12" and 18", it is an AOW. If you take a combination gun with a barrel greater than or equal to 18" and cut it down, it becomes an AOW. Since it has a smooth bore, it can't be an SBR. Since it has a rifled barrel, it can't be an SBS. What I want someone to do is ask BATFE what category it would fit into if they took a combination gun and cut the barrels to below 12". It could be neither SBR or SBS, and the barrels would be too short to fit into the AOW category. So, being neither fish or fowl, what is it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SiVisPacem:
Originally Posted By williewvr:
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By RumbleTruck:
I believe since it is already a shotgun, you can only SBS it. AOW's have to come from a virgin receiver (not sure if I used the correct terminology). Anyhow, do the SBS. Post pics, too Exactly Combo guns such as the savage 24 series will be AOWs if they meet certain standards. They aren't SBS because of the rifle barrel and they aren't SBR because of the shotgun barrel. From the ATF AOW reg Weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading This. Everyone gets the whole "virgin receivers" mantra in their head without understanding what it means. The AOW category includes a number of types of firearms. One type is smoothbore handguns. For it to be a handgun, it can't have ever had a stock. If it did, it would have been a shotgun, not a handgun. If the gun has both rifled and smoothbore barrels, it is a combination gun. If the barrels are between 12" and 18", it is an AOW. If you take a combination gun with a barrel greater than or equal to 18" and cut it down, it becomes an AOW. Since it has a smooth bore, it can't be an SBR. Since it has a rifled barrel, it can't be an SBS. What I want someone to do is ask BATFE what category it would fit into if they took a combination gun and cut the barrels to below 12". It could be neither SBR or SBS, and the barrels would be too short to fit into the AOW category. So, being neither fish or fowl, what is it? FWIW, in the past NFA Branch has approved Form 1's and 2's for many, many combo-gun AOWs with barrels under 12 inches. When the National Firearms Act of 1934 was written and became law, Marble Game-Getters were very popular with trappers (then still a common occupation). They were combo guns available with 12", 15" and 18" barrels. The law was written to specifically include the 12" and 15" versions under the NFA. |
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