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Posted: 2/3/2024 10:15:46 PM EDT
New owner of a Tikka TX1, 16" threaded bbl/ Just wonderful, light trigger.
My FFL buddy convinced me (against my instincts, I should've known better) to buy a Shepard scope. Went to the range yesterday & it was a complete disaster. Maxed out the elevation but was still 5-6" from the X-ring. If I aimed at a light colored target, the middle of crosshairs simply disappeared to my eyes. This is with the illumination on, both red & green. In short, it's going back for a refund. I've always been a Nikon scope guy, but sadly, they no longer make scopes. I like Bushnell, Burris & can tolerate Simmons. Shopped all of those hard & long. I want something like a 4x12x40 in order to not overwhelm the size of the rifle. IOW, no 50, 56mm or whatever objective. I think 75%+ of the scopes I looked at had either mil-dot or bullet drop reticules. Neither of which I want. I just want a simple, plain 1960 style crosshair reticule. Surprisingly, there's not many made in the configuration I want. Found several of the Nikon Prostaff & a couple of Monarch models on GB. Found a lot more on ebay, so I'm watching those. Also found a couple of Bushnell & Burris scopes that might work as well. My question is, when did 75%+ of current scope models go "tactical" with the mil-dot & bullet drop stuff? All it does (to me) is clog up the sight picture. Are shooters now too stupid to think, "I'm shooting an extra 50-100 yards, maybe I need to hold over a couple of extra inches?" Rhetorical question, I don't expect someone to know that answer. The good news is, there seems to be a nice bunch of scopes in the less-than-$325 range, IMO. With a .22LR, I won't be shooting beyond a 100 yards. 98% of the time it will only be 50 yards, IMO. But boy, I sure do miss the Nikon line of scopes........................ 
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Posted: 2/3/2024 10:20:10 PM EDT
[#1]
I also think Nikon glass was always great bang for the buck.
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ND, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2024 10:50:03 PM EDT
[#2]
Look at Leuopold. They have some very good non-tactical glass at reasonable prices. I find their optics brighter and provide a wider field of view than several competitor brands.
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Posted: 2/4/2024 12:25:45 AM EDT
[#3]
One good thing about bass pro/big box stores. They are big, and usually have a target like thing on a far wall for comparing glass.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 12:49:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Urimaginaryfrnd]
[#4]
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1094688154901?pid=617477
I like this one for just under $200. It’s 4-16x40 with a 1 in tube and mildot reticle so you can use the mil-dots at 16x for hold over like a BDC reticle by running a ballistic chart with drop in mil. If you want to spend more buy a Vortex. https://www.talleymanufacturing.com/product/tikka-t1-scope-mounts-t1x-lightweight-alloy-scope-mounts/ Rings There is a learning curve and once you understand what is going on you may reconsider the duplex choice: BDC on a Second Focal Plane scope is only true at the highest power. First Focal Plane Scopes the reticle appears to get larger as magnification increases. FFP Mil-Dot marks are one Mil at every magnification. One can determine what the BDC or Mil Dots represent on a Second Focal Plane scope by zeroing at say 100 yds (the center X always represents the same thing at any power) . NOTE on a 2FP field of view is wide at low power and narrow at high power so at every different power the reticle marks represent something different. Once your 100 yd zero is set take a large paper or cardboard target and shoot. A three shot group at 100 then aiming at the center move back to 200, 300, 400 etc shooting three shot groups knowing they will hit below center. Go spray paint where the groups hit marking the target. Now return. To those distances and make notes on how the marks in your reticle correspond to the groups on the paper. Make notes for the lowest power say 4x then dial to 6x and make notes … Keep in mind that you brighten the image in low light by dialing down the magnification to about 6x or lower. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 12:56:56 AM EDT
[#5]
Im with you OP. Ol school pro staffs or buckmasters with simple duplex reticles are on my rifles. Bdc stuff is not for me
I could not wrap my head around nikon gettin out of the game. |
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Posted: 2/4/2024 1:13:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Daggertt]
[#6]
Ah there you are! Leupold's target audience! I was wondering who they keep making duplex reticle scopes for despite advancing on all other aspects of their product lines.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 1:19:50 AM EDT
[#7]
I ran into the same trouble a couple years ago. For 22LR target shooting I like duplex reticle and parallax adjustment. I have a Nikon with just that. Everything new seems to have moa or mil reticles. I rather have target knobs than busy reticle.
For centerfire hunting rifles I like B&C reticles. Those are almost non-existent now. Leupold dumped most of them to go with MOA hash marks and elevation target knob. |
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Posted: 2/4/2024 1:49:10 AM EDT
[#8]
Leupold is all I use. They've got every range, every use, high quality, made in USA.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 1:51:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Urimaginaryfrnd]
[#9]
MOA is easier for some to wrap their head around than MIL.
For practical purposes 1 MOA is 1 inch at 100 yds and each 1/4 MOA adjustment click should move point of impact 1/4 inch. But at 200 yds One MOA is 2 inches so each 1/4 MOA click moves point of impact one fourth of the two inches so 1/2 in per click. At 300 yds one MOA is 3 inches so 1/4 MOA click moves 3/4 inch. At 600 yds one MOA is 6 inches so 1/4 MOA click moves impact 1.5 inches… MIL one MIL is 3.6 inches at 100 yds so each 1/10. MIL click moves point of impact .36 inch about 1/3 of an inch at 100 yds. One MIL is 1 yard at 1000 yards One MIL is 1 meter at 1000 meters One MIL is 36 inches at 1000 yards One MIL is 18 inches at 500 yds One MIL is 14.4 in at 400 yds One MIL is 10.8 in at 300 yds One MIL is 7.2 in at 200 yds (Known ) Height of Target in inches X 27.78 divided by (measured in reticle) MIL = distance in yards Now to make it all simple. Kenton Ind will custom engrave knobs for most scopes given info on what bullet you use. https://kentonindustries.com/ |
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Posted: 2/4/2024 4:17:10 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodan1776: Leupold is all I use. They've got every range, every use, high quality, made in USA. The best advice you will get in this thread. |
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Posted: 2/4/2024 9:10:41 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mindless: Look at Leuopold. They have some very good non-tactical glass at reasonable prices. I find their optics brighter and provide a wider field of view than several competitor brands. Love them, but my budget is to stay below $300, hopefully in the $250 range. |
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Posted: 2/4/2024 9:12:42 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Urimaginaryfrnd: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1094688154901?pid=617477 I like this one for just under $200. It’s 4-16x40 with a 1 in tube and mildot reticle so you can use the mil-dots at 16x for hold over like a BDC reticle by running a ballistic chart with drop in mil. If you want to spend more buy a Vortex. https://www.talleymanufacturing.com/product/tikka-t1-scope-mounts-t1x-lightweight-alloy-scope-mounts/ All I want is simple crosshairs. I don't like mil-dots, never have. Talley already has gotten enough of my $$$$, thankyouverymuch......................  |
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Posted: 2/4/2024 9:13:54 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Ah there you are! Leupold's target audience! I was wondering who they keep making duplex reticle scopes for despite advancing on all other aspects of their product lines. *I* wouldn't call it "advancing" at all. We old farts know how to do a "hold over" w/o filling up the sight picture. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 9:18:16 AM EDT
[#14]
Trijicon is my go to since Nikon went away. The Huron line is tough to beat for the money. Euro optic has some great deals on some close outs right now
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 9:51:05 AM EDT
[#15]
I got the Vortex Crossfire II in 4-12x44 for my bolt action .22 and have been more than pleased. It has held its zero and been reliable for me. Glass is pretty decent, I’ve got no complaints. Got it at my local Academy Sports for like $170. Something to look into anyway.
https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-crossfire-ii-4-12x44-riflescope+reticle-Dead-Hold®~BDC~MOA |
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Posted: 2/4/2024 10:06:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 0002s]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chainshaw: Trijicon is my go to since Nikon went away. The Huron line is tough to beat for the money. Euro optic has some great deals on some close outs right now Came to post this. Trijicon Huron 3x9 Better for a little more Trijicon Huron 2.5x10x40 |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 10:10:50 AM EDT
[#17]
Is Mueller still in business? They used to make some really good scopes for .22's and other light recoiling rifles.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 10:12:09 AM EDT
[#18]
Here you go:
https://www.muelleroptics.com/product-category/rimfire-scope/ |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 12:10:40 PM EDT
[#19]
Athlon, the best bang for the buck in glass, IME
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 12:29:43 PM EDT
[#20]
I am a fan of mil/ Christmas tree reticle so no help there. Once you get used to them, very handy for longer range shooting and holding wind or running in timed events where adjustment for elevation at various ranges may take too much time ( I shoot prs type matches with 22’s to 300+ yards and couldn’t be effective without the christmas tree.)
For plain cross hair stuff meuller is well regarded in the budget category, and athlon or vortex might have something that fits your needs/ budget Bear in mind all scopes in this price range will be made in china! Another option is to look for used leupolds |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 2:41:00 PM EDT
[#21]
Originally Posted By USPguy: Are shooters now too stupid to think, "I'm shooting an extra 50-100 yards, maybe I need to hold over a couple of extra inches?" Maybe they just prefer to use a tape measure (mil / moa reticle) instead of eyeballing it. It's a lot easier to be repeatable if you have marks to go off of. For precision I like an open center style reticle or one with a very tiny dot. Something like this. 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2024 2:54:05 PM EDT
[#22]
Doesn't Trijicon have basic cross hair reticle around the 350 price point? I think Primary Arms has some basic cross hair reticle under 200.
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Posted: 2/4/2024 10:39:56 PM EDT
[#23]
A little more than you budgeted for, but maybe this is will fit your needs.
I just bought one, but I haven't had it out yet to give you any details. However, the glass is clear edge to edge. Europtics gave me free shipping and paid the sales tax about a month ago.  Attached File |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2024 10:44:31 AM EDT
[#24]
the vortex diamondback HP (NOT the regular or tactical) is a great scope and is around $250. adjustable parallax and very good glass for its price. it is available with a simple duplex reticle too.
i don’t think vortex makes them anymore but you can find them online and sportsmans warehouse has them in store too. |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 10:52:35 AM EDT
[#25]
Companies make fewer duplex scopes because they don't sell.
Leupold has a bunch of duplex scopes that no one buys. If I was getting a duplex I would probably get a leupold. |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 11:53:05 AM EDT
[#26]
Leupold VX-Freedom is a bit over your budget but absolutely worth it, especially in low light situations
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OR, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2024 12:54:15 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By livinfree: A little more than you budgeted for, but maybe this is will fit your needs. I just bought one, but I haven't had it out yet to give you any details. However, the glass is clear edge to edge. Europtics gave me free shipping and paid the sales tax about a month ago. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/273029/Screenshot_20240204-193309_2_png-3118724.JPG This is by far my favorite scope for a 10/22. Only problem is I put it on my kids rifle. It is about 25% smaller than the similar Nikon with nicer sharp crosshairs. |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 12:57:43 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Ah there you are! Leupold's target audience! I was wondering who they keep making duplex reticle scopes for despite advancing on all other aspects of their product lines. 
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Posted: 2/6/2024 1:03:24 AM EDT
[#29]
Originally Posted By USPguy: Are shooters now too stupid to think, "I'm shooting an extra 50-100 yards, maybe I need to hold over a couple of extra inches?" Rhetorical question, I don't expect someone to know that answer. Its more for when you are shooting an extra 300+ yards, when i'm shooting at 700 yards with my FAL zeroed at 100, im holding much higher than a few inches above the target. But I kinda agree, within about 250 yards or so Its pretty meaningless. But thats what FFP's are for imo, shrink the clutter when you dont need it, zoom it in when you do. |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 1:04:21 AM EDT
[#30]
I have a Bushnell Engage scope on one on my 22 rifles. Been very happy with it for the price.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2024 9:13:36 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jkees: Its more for when you are shooting an extra 300+ yards, when i'm shooting at 700 yards with my FAL zeroed at 100, im holding much higher than a few inches above the target. But I kinda agree, within about 250 yards or so Its pretty meaningless. But thats what FFP's are for imo, shrink the clutter when you dont need it, zoom it in when you do. Not with the rainbow like trajectory of 22 LR ! I shoot a lot of prs/nrl matches, and having a 50 yard zero then dialing for targets anywhere up to 300 yards, a lot of dialing or a significant use of the Christmas tree is critical. And the targets are generally pretty small. In some cases a 2” diameter target at 100, a 3-4” diameter target at 175-200. You simply can not “hold off” with a regular reticle and be effective in these circumstances. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 12:49:51 PM EDT
[#32]
I prefer Leupold especially for low light dawn and dusk. I also liked Nikon but they dropped firearm optics. The Primary Arms and Vortex are decent but if you want as good a glass as Leupold has then you are back to Leupold.
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Posted: 2/8/2024 12:07:24 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USPguy: Love them, but my budget is to stay below $300, hopefully in the $250 range. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USPguy: Originally Posted By Mindless: Look at Leuopold. They have some very good non-tactical glass at reasonable prices. I find their optics brighter and provide a wider field of view than several competitor brands. Love them, but my budget is to stay below $300, hopefully in the $250 range. I hit 'reply' to say I've bought several of their scopes in that range for plinkers/rimfires, but then I remembered it's 2024 and I paid a buck-fiddy for an onion the other day... 
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Posted: 2/8/2024 4:11:11 PM EDT
[#34]
Buy a used Leupold it has a lifetime warranty.
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Posted: 2/8/2024 4:16:09 PM EDT
[#35]
Should be able to find a VX Freedom for under 300... I paid 200 for my 1-4 pigplex.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 12:51:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: desertmoon]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USPguy: Love them, but my budget is to stay below $300, hopefully in the $250 range. |
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Posted: 2/11/2024 12:59:50 PM EDT
[#37]
As posted by others, it's the VX Freedom 3X9.
Here is the reticle:  Here's the scope (as also shown above...my OCD is kicking in) 
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Posted: 2/25/2024 9:51:23 PM EDT
[#38]
I have put two Vortex scopes on rifles for my kids in the last couple years. One is a larger/heavier target setup, the other is a lighter weight set-up (2-7 maybe). Both are very good scopes for the money.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 8:32:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By desertmoon: As posted by others, it's the VX Freedom 3X9. Here is the reticle: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23042/VX_Reticle-3032158.jpg Here's the scope (as also shown above...my OCD is kicking in) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23042/Leupold_VX_Freedom-3032157.jpg Can confirm that this is a very good rimfire scope for your money. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:12:53 PM EDT
[#40]
I might wonder if the OP being unable to get on the target was a scope fault or if whatever rings he was using were somehow mis matched?
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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:13:04 PM EDT
[#41]
I might wonder if the OP being unable to get on the target was a scope fault or if whatever rings he was using were somehow mis matched?
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Posted: 3/1/2024 8:51:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: desertmoon]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LeadBreakfast: Can confirm that this is a very good rimfire scope for your money. I would still prefer a more simple cross hair design and a wee bit thinner to boot....but it's all we can get with Nikon out of the game. I do not like the turrets all that much. The clicks are kind of fuzzy. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 10:29:21 AM EDT
[#43]
You can get that Leupold with the hunt-plex reticle instead of the rimfire MOA
180592 for the 2x7x33 181307 for the 3x9x40 |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 11:34:59 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodan1776: Leupold is all I use. They've got every range, every use, high quality, made in USA. Same here. It saddens me that they no longer offer a gloss finish version of anything. Matte looks ugly on a gloss blue rifle. |
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Posted: 3/17/2024 3:53:07 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cardplayer: The best advice you will get in this thread. Except Leupolds budget stuff is not made in US. In my limited experience Leupold was my favorite, bright clear glass, good value(on the low end). |
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Posted: 3/17/2024 6:06:35 PM EDT
[#46]
I went with a Vortex Diamondback rimfire and Warne back to zero rings. For the mounts I got warned maxima 10/22 mounts from Warne itself.
I wanted to be able to use both the irons and scope for plinking on a Ruger/Talo 10/22. Sorry for all the links but I thought pictures would help especially with the scopes recital. The combination just barely fits over the rear sight folded down but I wanted it as low as I could go. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 1:35:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MS556]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: Companies make fewer duplex scopes because they don't sell. Leupold has a bunch of duplex scopes that no one buys. If I was getting a duplex I would probably get a leupold. Respectfully disagree. Hunters, I mean real hunters that spend a lot of time in the woods, realize that game is most active at dawn and dusk in low light. Shots are at relatively short distances within the so-called point blank zero or hunter's zero in which the trajectory does not deviate more than 3" from point of aim, Those scopes do not have or need complex reticles. Less is more. Duplex or German #4 (duplex with top stadia missing) remain the best choice. Some may have a simple illuminated dot at the center of very visible crosshairs. Tbese scopes have capped turrets because shots are not going to be taken beyond max point blank range. Larger objectives and relatively low power variables like 2-7 up to 3-10 or so are preferred for good low light performance. Light weight is important. This is not tactical or target shooting. Its serious hunting. And, Leupold knows its market and excels at it. These same principles apply for general purpose rimfire rifles. For rimfire general purpose use its hard to beat a Leupold 2-7x or 3-9x with basic duplex reticle zeroed at 50 yards. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 12:44:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Except Leupolds budget stuff is not made in US. In my limited experience Leupold was my favorite, bright clear glass, good value(on the low end). VX-Freedom scopes are made in the USA. What low end are you referring to? |
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