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Posted: 7/19/2023 3:23:59 PM EDT
Scenario: FFL 07/02 buys a stripped Aero Precision lower receiver from 'ABC Distributor', builds into a SBR, submits ATF Form 2, and sells complete gun online and ships to customer's FFL/SOT 'Tom's Guns'.
What I'm not clear on is what it would look like in the FFL 07/02's A&D book. Would it be 2 different lines in the A&D book as follows? 1st line: Manufacturer: Aero Precision | Type: Receiver | Acquisition: ABC Distributor | Disposition: My FFL 2nd line: Manufacturer: My FFL | Type: Short barreled rifle | Acquisition: My FFL | Disposition: Tom's Guns Thank you |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 6:56:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nskate22: Scenario: FFL 07/02 buys a stripped Aero Precision lower receiver from 'ABC Distributor', builds into a SBR, submits ATF Form 2, and sells complete gun online and ships to customer's FFL/SOT 'Tom's Guns'. What I'm not clear on is what it would look like in the FFL 07/02's A&D book. Would it be 2 different lines in the A&D book as follows? 1st line: Manufacturer: Aero Precision | Type: Receiver | Acquisition: ABC Distributor | Disposition: My FFL 2nd line: Manufacturer: My FFL | Type: Short barreled rifle | Acquisition: My FFL | Disposition: Tom's Guns Thank you yes, 2 entries. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 7:55:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nskate22: Scenario: FFL 07/02 buys a stripped Aero Precision lower receiver from 'ABC Distributor', builds into a SBR, submits ATF Form 2, and sells complete gun online and ships to customer's FFL/SOT 'Tom's Guns'. What I'm not clear on is what it would look like in the FFL 07/02's A&D book. Would it be 2 different lines in the A&D book as follows? 1st line: Manufacturer: Aero Precision | Type: Receiver | Acquisition: ABC Distributor | Disposition: My FFL 2nd line: Manufacturer: My FFL | Type: Short barreled rifle | Acquisition: My FFL | Disposition: Tom's Guns Thank you In this case is there any a requirement to engrave the receiver? |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 8:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kota4bye: In this case is there any a requirement to engrave the receiver? Not since 08/24/22 |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 8:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX: Not since 08/24/22 Interesting, thanks! |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 8:19:25 PM EDT
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Follow up question that I've submitted to "Ask the Experts" with no response yet.....
I have a shotgun in my personal collection I want to SBS (actually have a form 1 pending since Jan). I could transfer to my FFL (me), form 2, and then hold in my A&D, or Form 4 back to myself or my trust. Is there an engraving requirement there? You can point me to the reference, I don't mind reading, but I haven't found it in the NFA handbook yet. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 8:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kota4bye: Follow up question that I've submitted to "Ask the Experts" with no response yet..... I have a shotgun in my personal collection I want to SBS (actually have a form 1 pending since Jan). I could transfer to my FFL (me), form 2, and then hold in my A&D, or Form 4 back to myself or my trust. Is there an engraving requirement there? You can point me to the reference, I don't mind reading, but I haven't found it in the NFA handbook yet. You are not gonna find it either since it is well over a decade out of date and the rule is just a little over a year old. Throw the NFA Handbook away it is way out date and wrong on many things. The Receiver Rule that became effective 08/24/22 is where the new engrave rules are |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:07:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX: You are not gonna find it either since it is well over a decade out of date and the rule is just a little over a year old. Throw the NFA Handbook away it is way out date and wrong on many things. The Receiver Rule that became effective 08/24/22 is where the new engrave rules are I’m a new 07 FFL waiting for my 02 SOT to arrive in the mail. So I want to know this, not starting stupid internet wars. Anyways, I’ve read the Receiver Rule Apr/Aug 2022 and open letter from Dec 2022. For existing firearms (like his example), I don’t see where that rule relieves me (07) of the obligation to engrave my business name, city, and state on the receiver prior to submitting a Form 2 for SBR/SBS/MG. My IOI and I just discussed this topic earlier this month. I’m happy to be wrong since that saves me the hassle of getting things engraved. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 2:30:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By romad99: I’m a new 07 FFL waiting for my 02 SOT to arrive in the mail. So I want to know this, not starting stupid internet wars. Anyways, I’ve read the Receiver Rule Apr/Aug 2022 and open letter from Dec 2022. For existing firearms (like his example), I don’t see where that rule relieves me (07) of the obligation to engrave my business name, city, and state on the receiver prior to submitting a Form 2 for SBR/SBS/MG. My IOI and I just discussed this topic earlier this month. I’m happy to be wrong since that saves me the hassle of getting things engraved. When Law/Rule changes it gets propogated to the CFR. 27 CFR § 479.102 - Identification of firearms. (3) Adoption of identifying markings. You may adopt existing markings and are not required to mark a serial number or other identifying markings previously placed on a firearm in accordance with this section, as follows: (i) Newly manufactured firearms. Manufacturers may adopt the serial number and other identifying markings previously placed on a firearm by another manufacturer provided the firearm has not been sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of to a person other than a qualified manufacturer, importer, or dealer, and the serial number adopted is not duplicated on any other firearm. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 4:50:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX: When Law/Rule changes it gets propogated to the CFR. 27 CFR § 479.102 - Identification of firearms. (3) Adoption of identifying markings. You may adopt existing markings and are not required to mark a serial number or other identifying markings previously placed on a firearm in accordance with this section, as follows: (i) Newly manufactured firearms. Manufacturers may adopt the serial number and other identifying markings previously placed on a firearm by another manufacturer provided the firearm has not been sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of to a person other than a qualified manufacturer, importer, or dealer, and the serial number adopted is not duplicated on any other firearm. Thanks, brother. That does seem to relieve us of the requirement to mark it again. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:39:19 PM EDT
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that is awesome to know !
I was about to start looking for an engraver locally ( while I wait on my 07 ) but scratch that !! |
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