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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:47:13 AM EDT
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www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=123&t=387179 I could keep going very easily, would you like me to? And I have been there many times. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:47:14 AM EDT
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Like they are going to tell anyone if they do (force people out) NOPD already had a shaky reputation - every other agency involved deserves to have their actions indelibly etched in everyone's mind. "Ich bin ein New Orleaner" |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:47:18 AM EDT
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The "forced evacuation" makes NO FUCKING SENSE to begin with.
The waters are receding, and some areas, as we have seen from posters right here on AR15.com, are not under water. It is time for people to begin filtering back in to clean up their homes and get on with rebuilding. Now we all know that when individuals challenge the power of the government, government will always up the ante and use force to retain its power. This is just another nail in freedom's coffin. Order more ammo boys, and buy some kevlar for Christmas. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:47:19 AM EDT
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Just f*cking unbelievable..... Please write to your Congressmen/women.... LEOs/NGs...Please think carefully in your heart if it's a right thing to do and follow such order. 10 or 20 years from now, it can happen to you. I'm beginning to doubt if USA is the land and the place.......  |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:47:53 AM EDT
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It's the NYT. They can't fathom the notion that legal guns haven't been "registered". ETA: I stand corrected. http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=97850 |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:48:00 AM EDT
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Done ...... I sent this: to Chip Pickering (Mississippi)
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:49:35 AM EDT
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On the news, I saw a woman removed from her home by force. The streets were dry, no flooding in that area. it's all BS .... |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:50:37 AM EDT
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Associated Press Corpses, Guns Found in New Orleans Homes Sep 9, 10:56 AM (ET) By DON BABWIN NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Soldiers and police confiscated guns from homeowners as they went house to house, trying to clear the shattered city of holdouts because of the danger of disease and fire. Police on Friday also marked homes with corpses inside, with plans to return later. As many as 10,000 people were believed to be stubbornly staying put in the city, despite orders from Mayor Ray Nagin earlier this week to leave or be removed by force. By midmorning, though, there were no immediate reports of anyone being taken out forcibly, police said. Police are "not going to do that until we absolutely have to. We really don't want to do that at all," Deputy Chief Warren Riley said. Some residents who had previously refused to leave - whether because they wanted to protect their homes from looters, they did not want to leave their pets behind, or they simply feared the unknown - are now changing their minds and asking to be rescued, police said. "They realize they're not going to this awful situation like the Superdome or the Convention Center," Riley said. "As days go by, it seems less and less likely that we'll have to force anyone." He added: "I don't know of any incidents where people are being bellingerent." Police and soldiers seized numerous guns for fear of confrontations with jittery residents who have armed themselves against looters. "No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons," Riley said. On Thursday, in the city's well-to-do Lower Garden District, a neighborhood with many antebellum mansions, members of the Oklahoma National Guard seized weapons from the inhabitants of one home. Those who were armed were handcuffed and briefly detained before being let go. "Walking up and down these streets, you don't want to think about the stuff that you're going to have to do, if somebody's pops out around a corner," said one of the Guardsmen, Chris Montgomery. Police also went door-to-door checking for bodies or anyone in need of rescue. Houses where corpses were found were marked so that authorities could go back later. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:51:20 AM EDT
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No registration in Louisiana. They apparently went to gun stores and pawn shops to get 4473's. There was no other logical reason to pry burglar bars off the doors of secured gun shops.
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:52:20 AM EDT
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Nothing because the authorities are not restricting duck and deer hunting. This is not their fight. Now when the govt is shutting down deer and duck hunting grounds, the hunter crowd are expecting all the other gunners to weigh and help them protect their hunting grounds. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:53:51 AM EDT
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Hopefully when this all shakes out, the Maya and the Guvna will be held accountable for their cowardly failures as leaders. It would be great to see legal indictments. Any po po's who abandoned their jobs should be charged as well.
As far as the NG confiscating guns, the excuse will be the same old "we don't want them falling into the wrong hands." I can't wait until some nimrod has an When the Deleware river flooded and blocked the entrance to our development, I sent my wife and kids to higher ground and stayed to stand watch against looters. Thank God they didn't do a mandatory evacuation, etc etc. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:54:50 AM EDT
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And they think that will make the average citizen SAFER? 
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:54:59 AM EDT
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Yeah, nothing like when there's some LEO bashing. Then they show up in droves, and circle the wagons. I'll say it again, LEOs are not your friends when it comes to the second amendment. They will always have firearms, 2nd or not. There is no incentive for them to put their ass on the line for what's right. I'll give the NOPD the benefit of my doubt that the 200-300 that walked deserted because of this. The rest of you doorkickers are dispicable human beings, traitors, and thiefs. Treason is punishable by death, and the Nuremburg syndrome is not an excuse. Think about that the next time you disarm a LAWFULLY ARMED LAW ABIDING AMERICAN CITIZEN! |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:56:09 AM EDT
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Yeah, but they are confiscating Lever action 30-30's and 30-06 bolt guns ... not just black bullet hoses. Most of them evacuated though .... so they probably don't give a damn. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:57:22 AM EDT
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Which unit? www.omd.state.ok.us/Units/ Wonder how their hometown feels about their "heroes"? How Ironic that they use the Constitution in their imagery...  How 'bout it Okies? Any of you guys know if the big kahuna gave this his blessing? (or are they "just following orders") 
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:57:44 AM EDT
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...the Germans had to make the same decision in the Warsaw ghetto... |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 7:59:10 AM EDT
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A revolution couldn't happen with anyone from here, because if anything started to get organized it would be locked by page 2... |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:00:17 AM EDT
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Thanks. MA has the same bullshit requirement. Fuck'em. If there's ever a SHTF scenario here, they'll have to find me first. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:01:58 AM EDT
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I'll know in the future that if a mandatory evacuation is ordered in my area; the missus will load the front half of the Yukon with children and pets, I'll load the back end with.... the other children and pets....
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:02:19 AM EDT
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How ironic, isn't it? Some folks fled to this country to get away with precisely what we see in New Orleans, today. And it's NOT some foreign army....but a collection of your fellow Americans who think they are doing the Lord's Work! I think we can safely cross off the 'National Guard' as a source for the protection of our essential liberties. That's such a shame. I hope when National Guardsman Chris Montgomery returns to his home in Oklahoma, he thinks long and hard about his willingness to disarm American Citizens in an American City, who were NOT breaking any law. But I doubt it. He'll probably enthrall his friends with stories like, 'Man, you should have seen the collection of weapons that those boys in the Garden District had in their homes!' 'It took us almost an hour to stack one of them, haphazardly, into our truck!' Well, I doubt Chris uses the word 'haphazardly', often. Eric The(EssentialLiberty...MeansNothingToSome)Hun 
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:03:01 AM EDT
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In Iraq, our troops deal with this every day and the citizens are allowed to have AKs!!!! Read Micheal Yons blog. He has an account on there where a recon team is sneaking through a farm. The farmer walks out onto his porch with an AK. They disarm him and question him. The farmer thought the recon team where theives. They give him his AK back. As they head out, the team leader gives another guy an "atta boy" for being so disciplined. I will repeat myself for clarity. Our Active Duty and NG forces in Iraq allow Iraqi citizens to possess AKs and work around their possesion by the law abiding. Here in the USA, in NO, they are forcibly disarming peacable Americans. WTF???????? 
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:04:29 AM EDT
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+1...there has been so much BS said about assaultweb (a place I have belonged to for a long time) for years on here. I hope those that made comments about us "loonies" over there will step up to the plate and say they were wrong... 
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:05:12 AM EDT
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How exactly do NOPD know where the guns are? Registration lists. Case in point: never, NEVER register ANY gun, ever for any reason, ever. Oppose any and all attempts to impose mandatory or back door registration. Finally, never allow anybody to take your guns. Resist by any available means. Band together with other gun owners facing confiscation. Make sure the price taken against the jackboots so terrible that they won't ever even think of doing it again. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:05:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:06:01 AM EDT
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Ain't that the fucking truth 
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:06:10 AM EDT
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Shiite! Game, set, match! That was a great reply, TheKill! Eric The(TippingHisHat)Hun
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:07:44 AM EDT
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Police and soldiers also seized numerous guns for fear of confrontations with jittery residents who have armed themselves against looters.
"No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons," Riley said. On Thursday, in the city's well-to-do Lower Garden District, a neighborhood with many antebellum mansions, members of the Oklahoma National Guard seized weapons from the inhabitants of one home. Those who were armed were handcuffed and briefly detained before being let go. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:08:46 AM EDT
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I'd just like to add my opinion
I hope I don't get the STFU because I'm from the UK.  I sympathise with you guys it sounds like a terrible mess over there. I have had some expierience with having guns confiscated after they were banned here. A great difference from a SHTF situation I agree but the process of removing the guns is still heart wrenching. We had to deliver our handguns to the local Police Dept by a certain date. If not you'd get a visit and they would "Take" them. If you did not surrender the handguns it would be an arrestable offence with minimum 5 year penalty. Now I ...being a law abiding citizen handed them in. What good would it have done for me to shoot the LEO who was just following his superiors orders? It's not the LEO on the street who is your enemy it is the law-makers just the same as it is over here. I cringe when I read about people advocating that to shoot an LEO who tries to take your guns is just fine. He probably does not want to but it's his Job. He needs to feed his kids too. I admire 99% of the cops out there and their job is hard enough already without the people you are trying to help...are trying to shoot you. Your battle over these issues must be taken through the courts...people MUST have their personal property(guns) handed back after the situation returns to somewhere near normal. Your guns are your personal property and your fight must be with the system not the poor LEO on the street. If I had not handed my pistols in I would not have the "privelidge" to own the rifles that I do have. Our laws suck and it's only going to get harder for us. I hope you guys who have a greater percentage of the population owning guns can fight the fight with numbers and voting. Here in the UK we shooters are a minority and we get shafted all the time. We fight and we fight hard but we aint got the numbers to make it count. You guys can make a difference but killing cops aint the way forward. Cheers Taffy It only takes one person to shoot an LEO while he is trying to remove guns from civilians then there will be problems way down the line for everyone Any spelling Nazi's can EMS |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:10:08 AM EDT
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Holy Shit!!! Are any of you watching FOX - The City Attorney just said, that they have no evidence of soldiers or any members of the NO Police "kicking in doors" and removing people...and...evacuation by force has not been used.
YOU LYING BITCH!!!!!! |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:12:29 AM EDT
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First amendment out the window. Check! |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:12:29 AM EDT
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The city has no evidence because they are incompetent morons, the same jerks who said there was no disorder at the superdome.
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:12:33 AM EDT
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So they're seizing weapons and then letting people go? I thought the idea was seize weapons from those being forcibly removed from the area... So what exactly is the mission? Relocation for the peoples' own good or confiscation of weapons? What are they doing with the weapons? Is there any provision for returning them? Will they be "lost"? |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:13:23 AM EDT
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Also just showed an interview with a NOPD officer saying "most of the holdouts are delirious and mentally incompetent". Nice spin on things, make it sound like it's for their own good. This just keeps getting worse. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:13:55 AM EDT
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There are many lawyers on this board...
Assuming that monetary concerns were eliminated, what is the possibility of getting a federal injunction against the elected scumbags in Louisiana? |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:14:49 AM EDT
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Like someone said a few days ago, drop some water, turn out the lights and see how quickly the thin veneer of society (and our freedoms) is stripped away.
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:15:03 AM EDT
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The Differnce is that when your cops take the weapons they are not voilating a Consistutionaly protected right. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:15:03 AM EDT
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Names. Take names. After (if?) this mess is over, everyone involved in this debacle needs to be reminded of their statements & actions. Especially come election time. This stuff should dog their careers permanently. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:16:42 AM EDT
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Nice try but you fail. that is a thread about 3-day bags, something used in evacuation like you might do before a hurricane... But hey, don't let facts distract you from your broad-brushing... |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:17:20 AM EDT
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Yup. Just like in a court of law, kill their character first, what a (typical) cheap shot tactic from a third rate outfit. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:18:23 AM EDT
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I think the local Federal Courts in New Orleans are closed! But IF they were open, I doubt that they would listen to anyone urging this....the City would send that 'lying-bitch' attorney to say that 'Nothing of the sort is happening', and that would be it. Eric The(FairAndBalanced)Hun
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:19:17 AM EDT
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Foxnews alert: Forced evacs are not going to be implemented.
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:20:05 AM EDT
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The excuse of following orders, when the orders are contrary to an oath, illegal, unethical, and immoral, is an invalid excuse, and a willing participation in wrongdoing. No, I don't want to see cops who are taking these firearms shot. If they do choose to enforce these orders, I would rather see them tried in a court of law, convicted, and an appropriate punishment administered. What I would rather see is individual officers disobey the orders, and relieve of command or arrest those giving the orders. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:22:47 AM EDT
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So what, they are still disarming citizens on their own property. Just because they let them stay after disarming them doesn't make me feel much better. But at least it's a step. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:23:48 AM EDT
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Yep, now the "holdouts" are "delirious" with "dehydration" and "don't even know their own names."
I bet they all have child porn and sawed-off shotguns too. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:24:16 AM EDT
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+1 I just read in the Manchester news where they are planning on banning Airguns in the UK becasue they are "dangerous". Not the same situation here at all, although I do not advocate lethal force again LE. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:24:37 AM EDT
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NUREMBURG LIVES IN THE MINDS OF THE SHEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny that you'd mention NAZI's............. |
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:24:43 AM EDT
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Here's the e-mail that I sent to my Congressman, Sam Johnson (R-TX):
Why is the National Guard disarming law-abiding citizens in New Orleans? When they were first sent to new Orleans, we were told that they would not be conducting 'law-enforcement' activities, but yet they are shown on television disarming the local, law-abiding citizens. This is outrageous, and I ask that you look into the legality of using the National Guard to disarm American Citizens who are attempting to protect their own homes. When was the Second Amendment repealed? The National Guard and the New Orleans Police are now leaving these folks to fend for themselves in this crisis. My family still resides in the Garden District and are intent on remaining there to protect their historic home and its contents. Please look into this and respond. Thank you, Eric The Hun A 'Friend of Sam Johnson' Plano, Texas OK, I didn't really use my Board Name. Eric The(NotStupid)Hun
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:25:09 AM EDT
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Sure, now that they've take the guns, rescind the initial order. This scenario stinks like what is, SHIT. The only reason they had for knocking on peoples doors was to evac them forcibly, right.....right 
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:25:53 AM EDT
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my advice is to fight back now so you don't have to fight back later. use your vote and influence now so you don't have to use your rifle later. as said above, now is the time to email and write your congresscritters and state reps. and vote their asses out of office if they don't bend to your will.
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Posted: 9/9/2005 8:26:09 AM EDT
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I would feel better if they evicted them after disarming. At least then their real motives would not be as transparent. |
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