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Posted: 9/9/2005 9:40:48 AM EDT

[#1]

Quoted:
The gun seizures and the forced evacuations in Louisiana MUST STOP! Both are not only unconstitutional, but a demeaning and illegal strong-arming of law abiding citizens by the government. You cannot force a citizen to leave their property unless you have an arrest warrant or they themselves are creating a public heath emergency....a simple fear of the citizen getting sick is not enough to make them leave their property! As a Louisiana attroney, a current Louisiana assistant district attorney, and ex-policeman in Louisiana with 8 years of duty, this entire seizure of free people and/or their firearms is making me sick and ashamed that our country's constitutional safegards are so easily disregarded!!! No way would I take arms from law abiding citizens in their own homes if ordered to do so, and no way would I allow my arms to be taken from my home in time of crisis when I need them to protect my family. While you cannot use deadly force in Louisiana to simply protect property (otherthan when someone enters your home or vehicle, when you're present therein, to commit a theft or with intent to commit a felony...you may shoot them), you CAN use deadly force to resist an UNLAWFUL ARREST! Rule number one for Louisiana law enforcement...if you get your ass shot off making an illegal arrest, tough-shit...IT'S A JUSTIFIED HOMICIDE UNDER LOUISIANA LAW! I would strongly urge all officers participating in this crisis not to blindly follow orders from officials who do not have a clue, but to maintain the Constitution and laws of Louisiana and the United States. Remind yourself of your oath before being lead blind ignorant fools!!! Also, if there is another attorney who personally knows someone these atrocities are happening to, I plead with you to file on their behalf both an injunction and a 1983 action ASAP! THE UNARMING AND FORCED REMOVAL OF CITIZENS IN THEIR HOMES HAS GOT TO STOP!!!

Is there anything anyone here can do to assist you in that?

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:42:44 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
A small part of me wants a previously legally armed citizen to be killed by a looter,
now that the LEO/NG has disarmed him.

That's strange, a very large part of me wants legally armed citizens to surround and disarm a small group of gun-confiscating LEO/NGs.

It would be so...'American.'

Another small part of me wants to see a firefight between a legally armed citizen and a
LEO/NG who is trying to illegally disarm him.... except I think this would fuel the fire
for the antis.

I think that another Mount Carmel-type event might successfully reveal the true enemies of this Nation...to even the most clueless of Americans.

A guy I work with seems to think the Constitution doesn't apply under Martial Law.

I've worked alongside idiots before, myself.

Eric The(WarBetweenTheStates,PartDeux)Hun

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:42:47 AM EDT

[#3]

Is empting a city have any precident? Has it been done before? On a long term basis as is NO, I'd understand temporary if there was a huge gas leak in a small town for example.

"By order of the king, this city must empty." - LOTR - Two Towers

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:42:57 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Quoted:
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The excuse of following orders, when the orders are contrary to an oath, illegal, unethical, and immoral, is an invalid excuse, and a willing participation in wrongdoing.

No, I don't want to see cops who are taking these firearms shot. If they do choose to enforce these orders, I would rather see them tried in a court of law, convicted, and an appropriate punishment administered.

What I would rather see is individual officers disobey the orders, and relieve of command or arrest those giving the orders.

A good point and well made (yours and our laws are very different and it's easy to forget that. Immoral may be wrong but it aint necesarily legal))....but again it's the strength in numbers game...you need enough officers to do it together.

Taffy

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:44:55 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

It was accepted but that does not mean that we shooters did not fight....It meant we were outnumbered...simple math....there was not way we could have stopped it...If there had been an armed resistance by all or even a few to try to stop it ....We would have lost ALL our guns

Taffy

Don't feel I'm deriding your choices. We all have to decide where it ends, and what we will do. I'm not driving to NO to engage in a gunbattle... there may be a way to stop this in the courts I hope. But there is no court present in an emergency when some prick with a logo on his shirt is taking my defense and property from me for no legal reason at all. That's when the situation changes for me.

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:45:09 AM EDT

[#6]

Grunteled, find me a client!

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:46:47 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
HERES THE VIDEO FROM CNN

www.cnn.com/video/us/2005/09/09/simon.katrina.new.orleans.forced.evacuations.cnn/content.exclude.html

How do I save that video file. I'm starting a collection of these. It'll be nice to have a video scrap book of the decline of this country as our constitution is used to wipe the ass of the government after they take a big poop on us.

This is utter madness. Hasn't this sort of thing sparked revolutions in other countries? Oh wait... this country too. Native Americans come to mind...

"Get out!"
"No!"
[Arrows and gunfire ensue]
"Here's you very own land. Build a casino or something. Have anice day."

IMHO those people in the bar are the true spirit of America: they've adapted to the situation and are doing everything possible to enjoy life no matter how shitty things are.

Anyone care to start a pool as to when the first shootout will occur and who will win?

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:47:37 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Find me a client!

I'm not a lawyer and try hard to stay out of their way, but couldn't you just file one using a "Jane/John Doe"?

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:51:24 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Grunteled, find me a client!

Wish I knew one!!

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:52:39 AM EDT

[#10]

I wholy support the killing of any CRIMINAL who would disarm peaceful people.

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:52:56 AM EDT

[#11]

I called some of my Louisiana friends... the registration law you quoted is apparently not in effect. No one has ever registered a gun that they know of. No one has ever been proscecuted for failure to register.

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:53:40 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
DONE!!

Quoted:
AND AGAIN I SAY:

GO HERE To contact your Congressmen from the House of Represeantives.

CONTACT YOUR SENATORS, FIND THEIR NUMBER HERE

DON"T BE SHEEP!
Tell them you are ashamed of their inaction.

We must let them know their constituents feel about this shameful repression of American Citizens.
There is nothing illegal about doing this, in fact it is our duty.

CALL NOW, DO IT NOW!

Letters sent, including one to the NRA for all that worth

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:53:44 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
It is my personal belief that the people who have remained in their homes in New Orleans and are hell-bent on "toughing it out" are utter and complete fools. That said, they have the perfect right to be complete fools and I believe that what is occurring now is a travesty. In another thread I had initially come down in favor of mandatory evacuations, but you guys convinced me that I was dead wrong. You tell the people that have remained that they will receive no assistance of any kind, and that a 24-hour curfew is in effect. If they leave their property they will be arrested. Then you leave them alone. The things that I have seen on television over the last 24 hours have turned my stomach.

There is a possibility that I will be sent to NOLA to assist in law enforcement or security there. You have my word that if I am given an order to break into a home to remove the lawful owner or his lawfully-owned property I will refuse the order. Will it make a difference? Probably not; there will always be plenty of people willing to obey the order, but I won't be one of them.

I'm facing the same possibility and I'm with you. I've always been under the impression that when you join the military and take the oath is doesn't say "...obey all orders...." I Thought the word "lawful" was in their. To give his order may or may not be a crime. To carry it out IS. It's their right to be armed. It'll be mine too. I'll be better armed. And hopefully the skills I have will ensure a flight back a month from the flight out, in a seat and not a box. But I won't take someone's weapon if they are otherwise obeying the law.

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:54:30 AM EDT

[#14]

Every time I read stuff like this my bank account mysteriously goes down and I end up with a larger pile of ammo and an extra firearm in my safe.

It's like magic.

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:56:36 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

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I know some were having problems loading the other videos - heres the one from Fox News and the elderly lady being JBT'd.

asjewelers.com/FRstuff/Katrina/Gun_grab_big.wmv
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wow... fighting with an old woman

I didnt even see any water there
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Tackling an old lady.

Bravo.

Can anyone make out if that is NOPD or another department?

I hope that JBT's mother is proud of him. What a thug.

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:57:30 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Every time I read stuff like this my bank account mysteriously goes down and I end up with a larger pile of ammo and an extra firearm in my safe.

It's like magic.

Hmmmm...another Bush conspiracy to cause panic amongst us so we go out and spend college funds on Guns and Ammo to help out his PRO-GUN cronies.

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:59:49 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Every time I read stuff like this my bank account mysteriously goes down and I end up with a larger pile of ammo and an extra firearm in my safe.

It's like magic.

Hmmmm...another Bush conspiracy to cause panic amongst us so we go out and spend college funds on Guns and Ammo to help out his PRO-GUN cronies.

I just knew that somehow it'd be President Bushs fault!

Posted: 9/9/2005 9:59:53 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Quoted:
GO HERE To contact your Congressmen

CONTACT YOUR SENATORS, FIND THEIR NUMBER HERE

DON"T BE SHEEP!
Tell them you are ashamed of their inaction.

We must let them know their constituents feel about this shameful repression of American Citizens.
There is nothing illegal about doing this, in fact it is our duty.

CALL NOW, DO IT NOW!

I got one off to my rep, but not to the senators. Both are big time anti-gun demon-crats!

All the more reason to do so, try to educate the dumbasses

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:00:23 AM EDT

[#19]

GUN GRABBING SHOULD BE BANNED!

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:02:44 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
GUN GRABBING SHOULD BE BANNED!

....unless it's a case of mistaken identity if the lady thought that thing in my pocket was gun

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:03:08 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
GUN GRABBING SHOULD BE BANNED!

Can I grab my own guns? (If I had any, they were lost in a tragic gun grab fest)

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:03:53 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
It is still my opinion that we can discuss this problem without calling for the death of the LEO/NG members present in NOLA.

It seems this conversation has moved towards our members calling or emailing our government officials. To me this what we should be focusing our efforts on, not sitting here telling everyone how we'd kill anyone who came to get our guns.

The King of England got a lot of letters and appeals from the colonies as well, but it didn't work.

How long does the ballot box and the soap box need to remain ineffective before the next box is opened?

These people who are taking arms from lawful citizens are criminals and traitors and need to be treated as such. Whether they get justice via the US court system or the court system of the flooded N.O. streets is fine with me... as long as they get justice delivered to them.

So what are you waiting for? Load up your car, and head on down to NOLA and start dealing out the justice you think needs to be done. Don't give me any excuses, just get going and stop posting in here.

Had to drive home from work.

I am asking a serious question. What is it going to take? Last year at this time, people would think you were crazy if you said that the government would be going door to door, breaking and entering and confiscating firearms. What is going to be the last straw? When they come to get your slingshots?

And as I said, either justice will be fine with me. I just don't see it happening.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:04:32 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Find me a client!

I'm not a lawyer and try hard to stay out of their way, but couldn't you just file one using a "Jane/John Doe"?

Nope, have to have a real person who has been a victim of the confiscation and forcibly removed from their home. The elderly lady that was show on Fox News lastnight being tackled inside her home by a cop and having her gun taken away before being dragged from her home would be ideal! That news video almost made me throw-up.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:04:35 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
The gun seizures and the forced evacuations in Louisiana MUST STOP! Both are not only unconstitutional, but a demeaning and illegal strong-arming of law abiding citizens by the government. You cannot force a citizen to leave their property unless you have an arrest warrant or they themselves are creating a public heath emergency....a simple fear of the citizen getting sick is not enough to make them leave their property! As a Louisiana attroney, a current Louisiana assistant district attorney, and ex-policeman in Louisiana with 8 years of duty, this entire seizure of free people and/or their firearms is making me sick and ashamed that our country's constitutional safegards are so easily disregarded!!! No way would I take arms from law abiding citizens in their own homes if ordered to do so, and no way would I allow my arms to be taken from my home in time of crisis when I need them to protect my family. While you cannot use deadly force in Louisiana to simply protect property (otherthan when someone enters your home or vehicle, when you're present therein, to commit a theft or with intent to commit a felony...you may shoot them), you CAN use deadly force to resist an UNLAWFUL ARREST! Rule number one for Louisiana law enforcement...if you get your ass shot off making an illegal arrest, tough-shit...IT'S A JUSTIFIED HOMICIDE UNDER LOUISIANA LAW! I would strongly urge all officers participating in this crisis not to blindly follow orders from officials who do not have a clue, but to maintain the Constitution and laws of Louisiana and the United States. Remind yourself of your oath before being lead blind ignorant fools!!! Also, if there is another attorney who personally knows someone these atrocities are happening to, I plead with you to file on their behalf both an injunction and a 1983 action ASAP! THE UNARMING AND FORCED REMOVAL OF CITIZENS IN THEIR HOMES HAS GOT TO STOP!!!

Wow!

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:07:29 AM EDT

[#25]

Wrote the...

White House
Both Senators
Congressman

GM

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:08:40 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
I called some of my Louisiana friends... the registration law you quoted is apparently not in effect. No one has ever registered a gun that they know of. No one has ever been proscecuted for failure to register.

There is no gun registration in Louisiana, with the exception of class III weapons which require a formed describing the firearm to be sent to Louisiana State Police.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:09:22 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Quoted:
A small part of me wants a previously legally armed citizen to be killed by a looter,
now that the LEO/NG has disarmed him.

That's strange, a very large part of me wants legally armed citizens to surround and disarm a small group of gun-confiscating LEO/NGs.

It would be so...'American.'

Bravo.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:15:24 AM EDT

[#28]

this country is going to shit. I can't believe they're taking the arms

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:17:15 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
I have a question for those that think every cop down in NO is a traitor.

If you were an LEO and were sent or worked in the NO area. You were given orders to go and help secure the city. You have heard the reports of all the looters and armed gangs roaming the streets shooting at targets of opportunity.

You then come upon some people with a gun, would you confiscate the gun, or let them go on their way? Now remember, there may be no way to determine if the idividual with the gun is the legal owner, or is even supposed to own a gun in the first place.

Right after Andrew I had no difficulty proving who I was or what houses we were legal occupants of. This was confirmed while I had a select fire HK G3 slung over my shoulder. Every other person in the group I was with was also openly armed.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:20:37 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Wrote the...
White House
Both Senators
Congressman
GM

I'm sure the interns will have a good laugh at your expense as they collectively delete any and all pro-gun related e-mails.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:21:52 AM EDT

[#31]

Congressman Bachus, and Senator sessions, called.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:24:57 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Quoted:
none of the so-called reporters ask a question about removing the firearms from law-abiding citizens.

Why would they?

They think that the Second Amendment was designed for providing them with armed escorts through places like stricken New Orleans neighborhoods.

And the 'National Guard' is what the Second Amendment is all about!

Right?

Eric The(Sarcastic)Hun

yea i know,

very sad to think history could be repeating it's self. i can never see myself as a subject of any gov.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:25:18 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
How can this be happening under a Republican President, Republican controlled House and Senate, and a Supreme Court with a majority of Republican appointed Justices? I thought thought it would be the Democrats that came for our guns, but it is happening under the tacit agreement of the GOP run federal government. I guess they are not really as pro gun as they claimed when they pandered for our votes.

Damn straight!

Maybe because we have no friggen option but them and they know it. That is why I am so fired up. All this chaos may just get us the 2nd round of "President Clinton" and I'll be back wishing I had bought more 30 rounders, AR's or could get the new SIG whatever.

There are two political parties in the US. One for the filthy rich and one for the filthy, period.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:27:02 AM EDT

[#34]

I am calling my Rep., Senators, and the NRA now.

A lot of fucking good it will do, but I will call anyway.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:32:32 AM EDT

[#35]

At the same time this gun collection shit starts, the chief LEO's in NO are saying that "There will be no media allowed in the neighborhoods while we collect the remains of the who have died.

No media, no proof. I don't think we'll see video of law abiding folks having their guns removed again.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

I made my calls.

FB

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:43:07 AM EDT

[#36]

I've never written my US senators or US rep before (shame on me). I've got 3 letters ready to mail later today after work.

I've spent half the day trying to convince sheeple why evicting people from their homes and stealing their lawful personal property is wrong.

Response? "But look at the conditions! There is sewage in the streets! No power!"

I bet if you contrast the living conditions in the NOLA Garden district today with NYC or any large American city in the 1800's (with raw sewage in the streets) and no AC power it would still be better in NOLA today.

I mean really, electric power in houses and indoor plumbing is relatively new! Only in the last 100 or so years have they became common.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:44:45 AM EDT

[#37]

Calls made, emails sent, still

.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:45:22 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
As a Federal LEO I am ashamed of the actions taken by officers in New Orleans.

Me too.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:46:12 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
AND AGAIN I SAY:

GO HERE To contact your Congressmen from the House of Represeantives.

CONTACT YOUR SENATORS, FIND THEIR NUMBER HERE

DON"T BE SHEEP!
Tell them you are ashamed of their inaction.

We must let them know their constituents feel about this shameful repression of American Citizens.
There is nothing illegal about doing this, in fact it is our duty.

CALL NOW, DO IT NOW!

I did that this morning.

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:54:00 AM EDT

[#40]

I just called both Senators and my congressman.

I also called the NRA-ILA at this number 1-800-392-8683.

Hit option four at the prompt to speak to an NRA-ILA representative.
I had to hold for about 5 minutes before someone answered. I spoke to a polite
young lady named Amanda. I told her I was horrified and shocked at the trampling
of the bill of rights in NOLA. I was disgusted at guns being confiscated in the private
homes of law abiding citizens, and that the images of M-16's being pointed at citizens in their homes was one I never thought I would see here in America.

Her response was that all she could say at this time was that the NRA was doing research on
what EXACTLY is happening. Are all guns being confiscated? Which departments, agencies, and
military units are doing the confiscating? And WHO gave the order to confiscate
firearms?

She said there was going to be a very high level meeting today at NRA headquarters
to determine the proper course of action.

I expressed to her, in no uncertain terms, that law abiding gun owners in this country
want to see a VERY STRONG response from the NRA, and that we want to see it quickly.
As of right now, there is only a small caption on the NRA's website about firearm confiscation.
I told Amanda that it should be in large, bold, red letters all over the main page.

We will see what they do. Use that number above and call!
Let the NRA know that this line in the sand cannot be crossed!

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:54:44 AM EDT

[#41]

All I can post right now.......to angry to post how I really feel

Posted: 9/9/2005 10:57:45 AM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
At the same time this gun collection shit starts, the chief LEO's in NO are saying that "There will be no media allowed in the neighborhoods while we collect the remains of the who have died.

No media, no proof. I don't think we'll see video of law abiding folks having their guns removed again.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

If the media doesn't flip out over this then they are in cahoots. (and the tin foilers may not be so far out after all...)

Just imagine the shitstorm had the media been locked out of OIF?

This reeks (and not of corpses)

Posted: 9/9/2005 11:01:17 AM EDT

[#43]

Please do your small part and write to your Rep and Senators, or anyone that can voice/influence this illegal confiscation.

What we do now will improve our gun rights/2nd Amendment in the future....

Posted: 9/9/2005 11:01:54 AM EDT

[#44]

No love for those LEO's or Natl Guard from me today....

Posted: 9/9/2005 11:03:54 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
Quoted:

It was accepted but that does not mean that we shooters did not fight....It meant we were outnumbered...simple math....there was not way we could have stopped it...If there had been an armed resistance by all or even a few to try to stop it ....We would have lost ALL our guns

Taffy

Don't feel I'm deriding your choices. We all have to decide where it ends, and what we will do. I'm not driving to NO to engage in a gunbattle... there may be a way to stop this in the courts I hope. But there is no court present in an emergency when some prick with a logo on his shirt is taking my defense and property from me for no legal reason at all. That's when the situation changes for me.

I understand that I realy do. I feel for you guys and I hope you don't lose any rights over this. I hope afterwards this can be dealt with so that in the event of another natural disaster everyone knows where they stand. Clear and defined not like it is now with things happening and being reported on the nrews with video footage, then having .gov deny everything.

In my first post what I was realy trying to say is don't blame the LEO but I see some people here would. And they are entitled to their views I just thought more people would support the LEOs. I may be a little biased as my Bro and his wife are both LEO in UK

Thanks

Taffy

Posted: 9/9/2005 11:11:21 AM EDT

[#46]

Email sent to Congressman. Would be a waste of electrons to send to my senators.

Posted: 9/9/2005 11:13:36 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
...not sitting here telling everyone how we'd kill anyone who came to get our guns.

Herr gunnut, paperz an zee firearmz, pleaze.

Posted: 9/9/2005 11:19:36 AM EDT

[#48]

Where is the NRA on this?????????????????????????????

Posted: 9/9/2005 11:24:09 AM EDT

[#49]

I just fired off another email to both my progun Senators that included the video of the lady being abused at the hands of NOLA cops...

Posted: 9/9/2005 11:24:33 AM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
Where is the NRA on this?????????????????????????????

Where are they always?

My guess is they're reacting like the bunch of back-scratching politicians they are, and trying to figure out how to play it so that they don't alienate the "hunters" while not appearing "too extreme" to the sheeple.

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