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Posted: 1/23/2008 8:56:27 AM EDT
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I am a huge fan sir. UC is hands down THE best book I've ever read. I refrenced your loading of 700+ grain bullets earlier in this thread. I NEED this data.  Do you sell your castings? If so, how does one purchase them. Thanks for any info.
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Posted: 1/23/2008 8:57:02 AM EDT
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EXACTLY all those silly warnings that we have everywhere on every product is due to someone doing something goofy. I was looking at revolvers a couple weeks ago up at Impact Guns. It bothered me that now it seems they have nearly the entire manual scraped in to the damn barrel and slides. Looks like hell. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:01:15 AM EDT
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Why no pics of the gun yet????? That would certainly answer a lot of questions about this incident.....
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:03:07 AM EDT
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That just sounds so wrong. I guess it was because I saw a show on worm castings the other night. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:07:14 AM EDT
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The comment above in red is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of knowledge on this topic. This issue is VERY well known amongst revolver owners at least those paying attention. It is well known by instructors, range safety officers and gun manufacturers. ROFL well that settles it someone shooting a different caliber from an entirely different position doesn't think it would happen. That trumps my nearly 3 decades of safe revolver shooting. I am going to call SW and tell them they can take out the warning that specifically discusses this issue. I guess gun manufacturers and instructors at places like Police Academies and private ranges have all been just playing a trick on trainees when they warn them. You know I have noticed this thread has progressed rather nicely except when someone comes onboard and starts throwing around armchair commando or saying EVERYBODY is being ugly. And usually it is people that aren't exactly getting what this thread is about. I guess intelligent people that have managed to shoot revolvers safely for decades giving an opinion on what is a VERY obvious cause and effect are just armchair commandos being assholes. Sorry your creedmoor shooting buddy needs a bit more involvement with revolvers, if he thinks that shooting position, with pants on and a 44 mag provides anything remotely similar to someone putting their finger tightly up against the cylinder gap. I guess this proves someone can do something for a very long time and still not know a damn thing. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:10:26 AM EDT
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Not THAT kind of fan.  Bullet castings. 
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:14:20 AM EDT
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEnRK8rofLg The plaster's getting harder; And my love is perfection... a token of my love for her collection!" |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:16:09 AM EDT
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Please stop you continually just show how uniformed you are while you continue to try and degrade others. Aside from those soft hands in those photos the other thing I noticed is that no the position you are showing is not even remotely correct your thumb is at least an inch or two in front of the cylinder gap where the gas escapes. The thing that is pissing me off is you are calling others names, folks that do know what they are talking about while you are adding information and pictures that are completely irrelevant. Go put some more lotion on those mitts. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:19:38 AM EDT
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That high speed video is Brett Curry shooting the .500 one-handed and ALMOST doubling it. It was made at the factory when they started getting reports of this phenomenon with the .500. They then gave it to me. Brett is the main designer of the X-frame. I need to put it up again on my redesigned website. My webmaster left some things off. I don't post to EVERY gun board--don't have time. I joined here 4 years ago when someone emailed me a link to a specific discussion, like they did this morning. It's 20+ pages, but you might enjoy this: http://john-ross.net/pdfs/maghist.pdf I think I'll revise it to emphasize the dangers of the B/C gap. JR www.john-ross.net |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:20:07 AM EDT
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My vote for understatement of the year...  For the OP, yeouch. Be sure to keep a clean dressing on that. When my father was training us kids in, many moons ago, he started us all on his service revolver. Notably, a S&W 19-5. Warned us about exactly this happening and how important proper grip was. I distinctly remember watching him cap off rounds at twilight and the flash coming from the cylinder gap was impressive enough for me to still have a clear memory of it 30 years later. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:33:25 AM EDT
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You can get a mold from mountainmolds.com or buy 700 grain bullets from Ranger Rick. Don't have his contact info but he's on the S&W forum. Data is at http://john-ross.net/loading.htm JR www.john-ross.net |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:35:01 AM EDT
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Very intersting reading, I recommend it. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:35:58 AM EDT
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Page 13. http://www.taurususa.com/pdf/manual_revolver.pdf
Page 18. http://www.usfirearms.com/pdf/USFA_SA_manual.pdf
Page 9 http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/FIREARMS/s&w_revolver.pdf
Just for those of you who have never cracked a manual on one of your firearms. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:47:09 AM EDT
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Update on the Gun
The gun looks fine, and recreating the grip I used I can totally see how I got my thumb in the wrong spot. But the guys who cleaned up after the accident lost the friggin spent cartridges! Oh well, I'm 98% decided that it was my fault  \ I know a cartridge failure is unlikely, I would like to know for sure though.I still think this amount of damage is ridiculous, but still to be expected when firing a hand-held howitzer. Live and learn I guess. I'll write S&W and see if they'll help with the medical bills, but any legal action would be completely hypocritical of me. They can use me as a poster-boy for what can happen if you don't always keep both hands on the grip. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:47:26 AM EDT
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I've got a 50 mold from mountainmolds.com that I believe throws a 500 and 700 grain bullet. (and a multi cavity .44 mold) Unfortunately, I was in the process of packing to move when I ordered it, and two years later I still haven't gotten my reloading gear set up. So I have these two beautiful molds, and have never used them. At least I was smart enough to put them in tupperware full of oil. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:49:44 AM EDT
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Our work here is done. Heal quick. 
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:49:50 AM EDT
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I've printed out the one image that clearly shows your thumb. Sealed it in plastic laminate, and tucked it in my gun case to remind me every time I shoot to be careful. Complacency kills. A reminder won't hurt. (and especially to show others what can happen if they do it wrong) |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:53:42 AM EDT
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I'd rather have learned the lesson a little less hard ... but then again, it could have been worse! The shooting day was 4 guys, all with new toys to show off. We were all getting a touch careless I think. We're all good disciplined shooters, but it doesn't take much of a slip to get bit ... HARD! |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:54:10 AM EDT
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That makes sense. Thanks for the update.  I wouldn't get my hopes up on S&W--what would you do under the same circumstances?  Good luck with the healing!
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:57:41 AM EDT
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Who knows, it's not like I'd hold hard feelings toward S&W if they tell me to get lost. But if they can use what happened to me as a way to potentially avoid someone else getting hurt then at least this accomplished something good. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:03:47 AM EDT
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Thanks for the update. I am truly sorry for your injury (loss?), and I'm also really glad you posted all of this. This is one of those times when I'm REALLY glad that I can learn from someone else's mistakes. I don't have huge hands, and with the wheel guns I've shot, I've always kept my fingers clear of that area anyway..... but more from fear of getting a finger bit/whatever. I had no idea that the gases could do that much damage. I've learned a lot from this thread. Sorry it's at your expense.... |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:06:05 AM EDT
[#22]
Cool, thanks. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:08:12 AM EDT
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Wanna sell it? I'm interested.  S.O. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:08:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:09:38 AM EDT
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Start the auction at $200? I'll go $205.
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:11:08 AM EDT
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Ha, yea ... I want to keep it, I love the gun. But my wife would flip if I don't sell it. My marriage is more important! I was planning on just listing it in the local newspaper though. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:12:33 AM EDT
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IM me a price. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:13:05 AM EDT
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e-mail me a price. There will be a discount right? It will have to be sanitized for my protection. S.O. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:25:37 AM EDT
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Wow! Outstanding paper! |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:26:09 AM EDT
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OP I was totally proud of you until I saw the part about the medical expenses. I gotta tell you no corporate lawyer will allow that as it might be construed as an admission of guilt. You can give it a shot though I guess. What do I know, right?
The revolver performed as is expected and the result is as expected. I am really glad you are taking responsibility that speaks VERY well of you. It shows you are a man of integrity. Nicely done. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:28:18 AM EDT
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Very outstanding. His old website was littered with gold nuggets like this. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:29:22 AM EDT
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 Watch it, guys.... You're going to get this thread locked, or moved to EE. 
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:30:32 AM EDT
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The absolute worst S&W can do is say no. And if they do, he isn't out anything for trying. Maybe they'll send him a Tee-Shirt. I just hope if they respond in ANY way, he updates everyone in this thread. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:36:35 AM EDT
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Turbo: Please don't sell it. You will regret it if you do. You will have that scar for life. As painful as it is, there is a certain "cool factor" to it. Especially a few years from now when you can laugh about it. Even if you purchased another 460 later, it won't be the one that bit you. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:39:04 AM EDT
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Good attitude. I know it doesn't feel like it now, but compared to some I've seen you got off cheap. One time when I was in the emergency ward for a back injury there was a young kid, around 16, in the stall next to me, he'd cut 4 fingers off one hand with a circular saw. While I was waiting for an MRI I was listening to the talk about the chances of reattaching them. The kid was awake and lucid, blaming it on his own fool self. I would have liked to shake his hand, but I couldn't stand up and walk over there, and he couldn't shake. Good luck. With proper care and hard work on your part you should heal up well. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:42:05 AM EDT
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I would take a different tack. I would contact S&W and say
"I ignored a basic safety rule in your manual and got hurt. Most people know not to get their fingers near the cylinder gap, but if they do it with a .38 or even a .357, they might need a Band-Aid. I did it with a .460 and lost the end of my thumb. "Would you like to use photos of my injury to make it clear how serious this is on high-pressure magnum revolvers?" If you can wait a couple weeks I'll be seeing all the S&W brass in person and can find the right person for you to contact, and maybe grease the skids, so to speak. They might be willing to pay you for helping them make their warnings more likely to be heeded. That's how I'd work it... Call me, I'm local. 308-8261 JR www.john-ross.net |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:52:33 AM EDT
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This is a super idea. Pure class, all the way. And you'll save some others from this issue. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:56:27 AM EDT
[#38]
I think you're right. Your buddies would have noticed a blown out cartridge given the circumstances,
Awesome way to look at it. I know I learned from your experience.
Wouldn't it be something to see your blown up thumb right after the don't-hold-the-gun-like-this picture. Thanks for sharing your story and taking all the abuse. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:58:40 AM EDT
[#39]
Dude, thumbs up!
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Posted: 1/23/2008 11:09:10 AM EDT
[#40]
+1 Outstanding way to get some benefit from this experience. Great way to show others how important it is to follow stated safety precautions. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 11:09:20 AM EDT
[#41]
I'm sorry about this dude's thumb, but I gotta agree with the statement about big boy revolvers. They are a fucking handful. And shit will go straight downhill with them if there's a case / revolver failure. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 11:12:08 AM EDT
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That's essentially what I said to them in my email earlier today. I know, we all know that you're supposed to keep fingers away from there - but the general reply from this thread proves that most don't realize just how severe it can be if you make the mistake. I'd be fine if they just sent me a t-shirt This is a valuable lesson though, what's a few bucks spent by them if it save some people. I'd love knowing that something good came out of my experience.
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Posted: 1/23/2008 11:25:43 AM EDT
[#43]
 Think of the bright side...that's why you get two of them. Get well soon. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 11:43:13 AM EDT
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Hey,
Well, I learned something. I honestly had no idea about how gnarly the forcing cone blast was. I mean, I knew it spit lead out and all but not hot jets of plasma.  Kudos for posting this. Prayers sent for a speedy and pain free recovery. BTW, this was your left thumb, right? At least it wasn't your right...you can still hit the E-brake button for mad dorifto action!!!  Keewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Heal quick and don't let Boius give you any self righteous bullshit. Kevin "Heh." |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 12:09:23 PM EDT
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Thank you for reconsidering a suit. I really hope you recover quickly and we also hope that this incident will totally reinforce the importance of respect for the truely awesome power that these guns generate. I tend to get a little grumpy when folks talk about lawsuits and American gun companies. You will definitely live and I bet that you learned a hell of alot!
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Posted: 1/23/2008 12:09:45 PM EDT
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TurboFC3S,
Hope you are doing well and the pain isn't too bad. I simply can't believe the attitude of people on this forum. I try to post messages in the same way I would talk to you in person. I guess some people are flat out rude as hell, or just plain dumb. Regardless if it was a gun failure, ammo failure, or your own carelessness I still feel bad about what you have went thru. You obviously learned a lesson and so have I about firing revolvers. I'm mostly an auto man myself, but I do shoot some .357 and .38's occasionally. Good luck with your recovery. |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 1:19:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2008 2:07:11 PM EDT
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Sounds like a great piece of advice to me!
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Posted: 1/23/2008 2:30:32 PM EDT
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Best wishes for a speedy recovery and thanks for sharing your bad experience here.
You've probably saved at least one of us from suffering the same type of injury or worse.
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Posted: 1/23/2008 2:46:02 PM EDT
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Haha, well I'd still rather have my thumb back! |
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