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looks like I dont have to rethink what I wrote...Pwnage below. Texas penal code § 42.09. CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly: (1) tortures an animal; (2) fails unreasonably to provide necessary food, care, or shelter for an animal in the person's custody; (3) abandons unreasonably an animal in the person's custody; (4) transports or confines an animal in a cruel manner; (5) kills, seriously injures, or administers poison to an animal, other than cattle, horses, sheep, swine, or goats, belonging to another without legal authority or the owner's effective consent; (6) causes one animal to fight with another; (7) uses a live animal as a lure in dog race training or in dog coursing on a racetrack; (8) trips a horse; (9) injures an animal, other than cattle, horses, sheep, swine, or goats, belonging to another without legal authority or the owner's effective consent; or (10) seriously overworks an animal. (b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor was engaged in bona fide experimentation for scientific research. (c) For purposes of this section: (1) "Abandon" includes abandoning an animal in the person's custody without making reasonable arrangements for assumption of custody by another person. (2) "Animal" means a domesticated living creature and wild living creature previously captured. "Animal" does not include an uncaptured wild creature or a wild creature whose capture was accomplished by conduct at issue under this section. (3) "Cruel manner" includes a manner that causes or permits unjustified or unwarranted pain or suffering. (4) "Custody" includes responsibility for the health, safety, and welfare of an animal subject to the person's care and control, regardless of ownership of the animal. (5) "Necessary food, care, or shelter" includes food, care, or shelter provided to the extent required to maintain the animal in a state of good health. (6) "Trip" means to use an object to cause a horse to fall or lose its balance. (d) An offense under Subsection (a)(2), (3), (4), (9), or (10) is a Class A misdemeanor, except that the offense is a state jail felony if the person has previously been convicted two times under this section. (e) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the animal was discovered on the person's property in the act of or immediately after injuring or killing the person's goats, sheep, cattle, horses, swine, or poultry and that the person killed or injured the animal at the time of this discovery. (f) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(8) that the actor tripped the horse for the purpose of identifying the ownership of the horse or giving veterinary care to the horse. (g) It is a defense to prosecution for an offense under this section that the person had a reasonable fear of bodily injury to the person or to another by a dangerous wild animal as defined by Section 822.101, Health and Safety Code. (h) It is an exception to the application of this section that the conduct engaged in by the actor is a generally accepted and otherwise lawful: (1) use of an animal if that use occurs solely for the purpose of: (A) fishing, hunting, or trapping; or (B) wildlife control as regulated by state and federal law; or (2) animal husbandry or farming practice involving livestock. (i) An offense under Subsection (a)(1), (5), (6), (7), or (8) is a state jail felony, except that the offense is a felony of the third degree if the person has previously been convicted two times under this section. Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1975, 64th Leg., p. 917, ch. 342, § 12, eff. Sept. 1, 1975; Acts 1985, 69th Leg., ch. 549, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1985; Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 78, § 1, eff. Aug. 26, 1991. Renumbered from V.T.C.A., Penal Code § 42.11 and amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994. Amended by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 318, § 15, eff. Sept. 1, 1995; Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1283, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1997; Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 54, § 3, eff. Sept. 1, 2001; Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 450, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2001; Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 1275, § 2(116), eff. Sept. 1, 2003. |
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Speaking of pwnage, check page 2. |
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Maybe you should read and decipher what it says before you say "pwnage". |
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It starts with nut cutting, then she'll be tripping horses, and using live animals as bait for dog racing........................
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It says dont do it in texas, either way lighten up, cutting off balls sounds painful |
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you should read digrebel high-lighted post on page two because that's how it is, it's illegal and why is high-lighted |
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+1, keep the pimp hand strong, yo ! Seriously, though, you need to continue trying to talk her out of this, using the financial stuff to back it up. Otherwise...would be best to let this woman go. And sure as hell don't let her touch your money, even with a friggen' 10 foot pole. I'm one of the only people on this board who likes cats, and I still think what this lady is doing is over the top. Sure, you can neuter male cats yourself with a rubber band, but it's not particularly smart or safe, and there is a risk of complications that could be fatal to the cat. If you tried to operate on a female cat without proper surgical equipment and training, there is an excellent chance that the cat will end up dying of infection. It's hard enough getting domesticated female cats to be calm while they're healing from being spayed, as their sutures can rip open if they run or get too crazy. Good luck trying that with a wild one . You also have to keep them from re-opening the wound with their teeth, sometimes they will attempt to remove their own sutures. |
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www.healthyhomesforkidsandpets.com/catneuter/neuter1.html Here are the pics.. I must say, I have never tied the cords, and never lost a patiient due to it.. |
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No where in the code you supplied does it prohibit what they want to do. Other then that, you don't cut the balls off. You use small, rubber, cheerio-looking things that you open up and put over the balls. It constricts everything and they dry up and fall off. Funny story: a convict in the one prison up here found a rubber band and wanted to keep it. To hide it from the guards he stretched it out and wrapped it around his balls really tight. Around a week or so later he went to the prison nurse with this little leather-looking sack, 2 raisins, and the rubber band in his hand. She examined him and it turns out he castrated himself, said it only hurt for an hour or so after he put the rubber band on. |
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I whole heartedly agree with you Bob.. she is looking now to do this full time, applying for grants and looking for a building etc.. she has already gotten monies from pet smart, and others to help out.. but not nearly enough.. she has even spent thousands on major surguries and getting some of these cats well... so many are sick when she trapps them,, she actually sdopts them out if they are tame enouigh.. some of them are really sweet.. |
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Holy Shit! Well like I said I am not a vet and will make sure all the rubber bands are kept locked in my house. |
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You should really reconsider your choice in girlfriends..... |
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She is really a good kind hearted person.. just a little Cat crazy as all.. Um...and did I mention she's a hot blond with blue eyes ? |
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Well, the big issue is the money. If she can somehow make it work financially, then go for it. |
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That looks pretty easy. |
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Can someone please post the gif of the smilie face smashing his head on the wall and label it as me. Thank you.
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GF huh, really sweet huh, easy on the eyes huh,
MASSIVE DEBT that will become yours the day she sweet talks you into marring her. Then it will be your crdit catd to pay for all the animal loving craziness. RUN EJECT GET out while you still can! |
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These kitty cat threads are always...uhh...interesting. I can't see anything in the penal code that says you can't neuter/spay your cat. It would probably fall under "reasonable skill and care" anyway. If you walked next door and cut your neighbors house cat's "tommage" off with a bayonet--you gonna be sorry. There's a big difference in "sterilization" and "cruelty". Anyway, not that any of that really matters, because the judge is probably order a psyc. evaluation anyway for catching feral cats, fixing them, and turning them back loose. The cruel part is not the sterilization, but sending them back in the wild. If you're gonna catch feral cats, just take 'em to the local ASPCA-don't turn them loose. And for everybody that thinks our AC laws are old, you should look up our "Livestock Theft" laws. That's really some good reading. Unless they've changed in the last few years: Theft of any (1) domestic animal is a Class A Misdemeanor. (Yep, that includes 1 chicken) Theft of (2) or more domestic animals (no longer "Theft", now it's "Rustling") is accelerated to a 3rd Degree Felony for each and the Texas Rangers are called in. If 1 is a Equine (Horse, Mule, Donkey) the charge is bumped to 2nd Degree Felony. Steal 2 chickens down here and you don't vote or buy any more funs. |
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You are talking about an "Elastrator", and you don't use them on a dog or cat!! They're made for kid goats, lambs, and small calves (and they will do a number on the nads). Here's what you're talking about, I've used 1000's of them on kid goats. The Elastrator |
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Oh, for the love of God, I love how the original poster asks a legal question, gets an answer and ignores it. Hmmm, lets see, picking up stray cats- are they yours, did you check to see if they were microchipped? First, the abandonment is listed in the penal code and is most likely also in your municipal code (it is in mine). Two, you can't frigging pick up an animal and do the procedure to it yourself without the owner's consent- also in the penal code as cruelty and also civil liability. More municpal code- mine says the animals in your possession need to be microchipped, vaccinnated, and registered. Where are you doing this- in her house? How many animals is she boarding at once- municpal codes cover how many you can have at one time. Is the health department inspecting the premises? Are you dumping medical waste in the regular city garbage? Dude (original poster), I'll be blunt- its a dumb shit idea. Tell her to go get hired as a vet's assistant and get paid or go volunteer somewhere but don't turn around in 6 months posting JBT and stupid judge stuff when you and her are dumping several grand on court and attorney fees and fines and paying a lawyer to explain to the judge how you need defered adjudication for the next 2 years instead of jail time all because she is a moonbat. |
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And quite possibly the prevention of you finding yourself happily married to some batshit crazy wacko cat lady, thirty or so years from now. |
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Wow......... This has GOT to be the most frightening thing I have EVER seen anybody on here admit to. You two gonna have an INTERESTING life, no doubt ! |
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh HAIR PLUCKING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Yes, dump her. This one's crazy, move on. |
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My grandfather's method involved a burlap sack with a hole cut in it, a very sharp pocket knife, and some ointment. My great uncle's method involved a trap and a barrel of water. Which would you choose?
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Word. Those feral cats need to be put down. They're destroying entire species of birds. Putting them back out is just insuring 10 more years of that cat killing wild animals to live. People may love cats, but just think about how many animals that cat will kill for the rest of it's life. Put the things down. |
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Cats Members of the cat family may be very difficult to shoot humanely. It may be preferable to sedate these animals (medication can be added to their food, for example) prior to shooting them. It is recommended that the animal be placed into a canvas bag or thick blanket with only the head out. The firearm is then aimed at the center of the cat's head slightly below a line drawn midway between the ears (Figure 4). When proper technique has been used the animal will become unconscious immediately, but convulsive activity and bleeding may persist for a short period of time. In some cases the shot may pass right through the animal's head, thus direction of shooting must be considered. |
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Amen and Amen. You've got three separate issues here. 1) Releasing feral cats into the wild is very destrcutive to wildlife. Out where we live city dwellers constantly dump their unwanted cats thinking some nice farmer will take them in. BS! All they do is slowly starve, except when they can manage to pillage a native songbird nest. She is extremely ignorant to think that she is doing the cats a favor. 2) Legal ramifications, which others have detailed. 3) The going into debt thing. It is beyond hairbrained stupid to go into debt on some half-baked crusade like this. She has no sense with money whatsovever. Every year, we corral at least half a dozen cats and haul them off to the animal shelter to be put down. Personally I'd like to sit that gal down and give her a good talking to about what "her" feral cats do to "my" native songbirds. And YOU need to give her a good talking to about the money thing. |
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I don't know about cats, but it sure seems that she became an expert at neutering 'realist' in a very short amount of time.
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DO you realize most serial killers start with animals as children? I would sleep with one eye open unless you are like her submissive helper..... |
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I like cats, but when they are wild they decimate wildlife. I saw one yesterday pounce on a squirrel, kill it and carry it away by the neck. |
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I dont pluck hair either !! I do want to say.. thanks for everyones input... I agree that the feral cats should be put down.. telling her that is like talking to a brick wall.. i will bring up the issue though to her about the possible ramifications of her program and that it may be illeagal what she is doing.. I dont and wont get involved with her program.. she has hinted about using my Van to transport live cages full and empty as her cars space is limited.. I at this point dont think I should even do this as doubt has been put in my mind thanks to some of you.. I wonder who I could talk to to find out exactly what is leagal and what is not.. I am in harris county, Houston texas.. The District Attournys office ?? Realist out |
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Well, sort of. I killed lots and lots of animals as a child, and I also had at least one Rott or GSD sleeping mostly on top of me every night growing up and I didn't do anything other than swat them on the nose when they nipped me (which usually made them nip me harder)(when I wouldn't listen to my mother, she would give them a look and they would turn around and bite me, which now seems like a pretty good deal for parents, although I was seriously pissed about it when I was little). I think that it's the torturing of pets rather than dealing with wild ones as needed that should send up danger signals. Killing squirrels? No. Being entertained by killing squirrels? No. Maiming them and setting them on fire to hear them scream (or chirp or whatever flaming squirrels do)? Yes. I understand where the chick is coming from. She is not right on a number of levels. This will end in tears. Run, Forrest, run. |
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That is such a bullshit statistic. It is my belief that EVERYONE has, at some point in their life, killed and even tortured an animal for fun. What kid hasn't held a magnifying glass to an ant hill. How many of us have shot bullfrogs on a farm pond with a BB-gun? People hunt prariedogs just for the fun of it, but that is okay. Do hunters get an adrenaline rush from deer hunting because they are happy to be able to provide food for the family for the winter, or because there is something primal inside of them that enjoys the kill? Has anyone done a study to determine how many otherwise "normal" people did the same thing when they were kids? Or are psychologists only focusing on the fact that these serial killers did. Again, it is a bullshit statistic. |
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Male cats use the boot method ie; stuff the cat in a rubber boot, ass hanging out. Cut ball sack on side push out ball and jerk down (stops bleeding) cut the cord it bleeds some. Now do the other side. For older cats I use a feed/seed bag and twine. Pull balls out and cut.
Its cut the cat or shoot it on the farm. A$$ city people think its alright to dump cats/dogs near farms. Cat sprays on feed, cars and such + .22 tth. Dogs, not good to have around my dogs or stock. Lost a fowl to some city a$$'s Pits. On many farms strange dogs get shot on sight if they don't have a collar. |
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Yup...Wild cats are better dead or in a home. Cats kill native animals such as birds and small mamals... Borrowing on her credit card to finance this? Sorry, but I think she is nuts... |
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+1 I have killed a ton of P Dogs and I am not a cereal killer (I don't eat cereal)... |
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Fixed it for you |
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I'd use an elastorator on the males. If you place the band around their neck, they will not reproduce
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YEAH,I've SPADE (actually had to redo this as I spelled SPAYED) a few myself,never took them to a vet for them to have all the fun! |
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Yes you can, its very easy. I reccomend sticking them in an overboot unless you have someone help you hold them down, cut them and slap alittle tar on them. Its quick and easy. I do reccomend not letting them go into the wild though.
Edit: I see others have already covered it. |
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