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Link Posted: 3/21/2006 3:15:38 PM EDT
[#1]
And here is a picture of one of the world's biggest losers with Deb:



Imagine your wife cheating on you with a child...
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 3:25:13 PM EDT
[#2]

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Wonder if she'd ever do porn???



What else can she do at this point? She can't teach again thats for sure.



Link Posted: 3/21/2006 3:26:37 PM EDT
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Sex with minors = wrong.  Period.  Regardless of gender.



Yep.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 3:29:56 PM EDT
[#4]

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And here is a picture of one of the world's biggest losers with Deb:

matts.blogsite.org.blogdns.org/uploaded_images/Debra_Lafave-with_now_exhusband-719608.jpg

Imagine your wife cheating on you with a child...




They are divorced now. And he has something to say about her fate here.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 3:35:36 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/21/2006 3:40:18 PM EDT
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Come on, let's face reality. Most 14 yr olds have either had sex or want to, really, really bad. So I doubt if she did any psychological damage to the boy other than him being really sad that he’s not getting it anymore.



I read a lot of the threads in GD and the Team Forum that are from full grown men who are wrecked by breadkups and divorces.  THOSE guys are full grown men and they are dealing with similarly aged (roughly) women/girls and it can be devastating to go throuhg a breeakup even when the "girl:" just leaves and is not arrested.  Sure you and I smirk and say "if only us" but that fact is that a 14 yo guy MAY be able to handle a demented freak pedophile, but the chances are slim.  Even if he "did it all for the nookie" it sounds like the wounds ran deeper than he initially thought.

You can sit there all day and say he is a hero, but if it was a 24 year old guy screwing your 14 year old daughter would you feel any different?  I think you would and if you did not then I hope, for your kid's sake, you fail to procreate.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 3:40:33 PM EDT
[#7]
I am having trouble juggling between what is right and what my dick is thinking.  There is a serious double standard here, and the law needs to be applied equally to her as it would be if she were a man.  But I would have done her......seriously, what 14 y.o. boy wouldn't?  I guess that is why there are statutory rape laws.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 3:43:06 PM EDT
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It is comical to hear of his "issues" over this.  Someone mentions her name and he bursts into tears and starts pounding his head on the wall.  His family sees this and declares him to have "issues."  His only "issue" is he ran his big mouth and is now stuck with girls his own age.  



Wow, a bee keeper AND a psychologist all in one.  You are amazing!  

I have seen the anxiety that even a plain fact witness cna have a testimony in court over somethign that does not even concern them.  Talk all you want about him being a pussy, but why is it so hard to believe that he has some trauma associated with this.  
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 3:51:32 PM EDT
[#9]

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For a hot teacher to seduce a teenage boy is the boy's fantasy.

I see no crime here.    I'm just really jealous.


You can't rape the willing and the boy isn't going to get pregnant.    And a boy that age (meaning,
any age from puberty on) is very likely to be willing.


She should never have even been taken into custody.   A hot teacher laying a horny teenage boy is no crime, it's a fantasy!


CJ




Yes, you can rape the willing.  Ignorance of the law is no excuse.  If a 24 YO hot chick can do this and you cry "no problem" then I assume that a 24 YO gay guy could do it as well so long as the kid was "willing"  

Try that with my kids (gy or girl) and you will wish for jail as I will take time off and make your life hell.  Period.  You won't get a job, or get out of house w/o me following with a sign, a la the "Phelps" strategy.  
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 3:55:13 PM EDT
[#10]
When someones 14 year old daughter is on top of the "science" teacher bouncing for all she is worth, I hope that they remember it's absolutely fine and dandy.

Bitch needs a date with a .308. Be the last F--k she ever had.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 3:59:29 PM EDT
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Jeezus K. Rist!!  the kid was fucking (no pun intended) 14 years old....



Are you suggesting a monument to him?  

I think the kid  already had his own monument
Heh    <--just yankin' yer meat.  

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:01:19 PM EDT
[#12]
A double standard exists... that is a fact.   Most everyone agrees the relationship should not have happened and was not right.   When I was in HS, every 14 yo male classmate I knew would jump at the chance to have sex with a teacher like her.   Some did, and seem to be normal, healthy, productive today.  Do we know what damage this victim suffered?          
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:01:49 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:03:48 PM EDT
[#14]

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A double standard exists... that is a fact.   Most everyone agrees the relationship should not have happened and was not right.   When I was in HS, every 14 yo male classmate I knew would jump at the chance to have sex with a teacher like her.   Some did, and seem to be normal, healthy, productive today.  Do we know what damage this victim suffered?          



This is very true.  The double standard is pretty common in family law.  Not only in sexual assault but even paternity.

Why should a nonbiological father be responsible for a child that he did not father?  

Justice is not blind in these cases.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:05:39 PM EDT
[#15]
I would have more of a problem that she was in a position of authority rather than the age.  Teen boys are different that teen girls.  14 year olds are fucking other 14, 15, 16, etc. year olds by the thousands every day.  I have a hard time believing that just because of the age difference he'll be traumatized.  Except for the fact that he may realize what lousy lays his classmates are.

The authority thing is wrong though, just like it was wrong for Clinton to do Monica.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:05:52 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:06:26 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
And here is a picture of one of the world's biggest losers with Deb:

matts.blogsite.org.blogdns.org/uploaded_images/Debra_Lafave-with_now_exhusband-719608.jpg

Imagine your wife cheating on you with a child...



I think the guy has suffered enough without being made fun of on internet forums.  His wife is mentally deranged, this is no direct reflection on him.

Jim
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:09:32 PM EDT
[#18]

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It is comical to hear of his "issues" over this.  Someone mentions her name and he bursts into tears and starts pounding his head on the wall.  His family sees this and declares him to have "issues."  His only "issue" is he ran his big mouth and is now stuck with girls his own age.  



Wow, a bee keeper AND a psychologist all in one.  You are amazing!  

I have seen the anxiety that even a plain fact witness cna have a testimony in court over somethign that does not even concern them.  Talk all you want about him being a pussy, but why is it so hard to believe that he has some trauma associated with this.  




I'll bet that all the "trauma" the kid experienced, if there is any, is because of the legal proceedings, TV coverage, etc, not because he fucked a 24 year old.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:10:57 PM EDT
[#19]

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I have a hard time believing that just because of the age difference he'll be traumatized.  Except for the fact that he may realize what lousy lays his classmates are.




Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:13:42 PM EDT
[#20]

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A double standard exists... that is a fact.   Most everyone agrees the relationship should not have happened and was not right.   When I was in HS, every 14 yo male classmate I knew would jump at the chance to have sex with a teacher like her.   Some did, and seem to be normal, healthy, productive today.  Do we know what damage this victim suffered?          



So, if we didn't have Oprah and it was your daughter instead, would you feel the same way?

Yes, it's artificial, however as a person in power over a youngster under her, she could have at least banged someone who she did not teach.

When the law states that it is as right for a man to do the same thing to a 14 year female student and receive the same exact sentance, [basically nothing] I hope I have no kids or grandkids in school.

Fantasys are just that, a fantasy.

And 14 year old HS girls should be fair game for all. Even if she is your daughter. After all, she might be some teachers fantasy.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:25:24 PM EDT
[#21]

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Okay, time for me to be serious.  I made several tongue-in-cheek posts in this thread but a little bit ago I heard Sean Hannity (radio talk show host for those who never leave the site) and he quipped--dead serious--<sad voice> "I don't know if he'll ever overcome the trauma from this."  </sad voice>

First, the teacher was DEAD WRONG to do this.  End of story.  Suitable punishment?  I honestly don't know, but it should be at least significant, if not downright severe.  

"Trauma" from getting laid?  Get real.  No one would bat an eye if he "got some" from a girl his own age.  That would be equally wrong in my eyes, due to the many likely complications of pre-marital sex, especially at a young age.  I can only see "trauma" occurring if you aren't doing it right--rape, etc.  



Hannity's actually fun to watch (I've seen him on Hannity & Colmbs (SP?) on Fox).
I don't believe TRAUMA is a word I'd describe...but this boy CERTAINLY has a view on sex that others his age do not.
To me, a pedophile is a pedophile. Gay, straight, male or female.
I don't look at 14 year olds and think, "He's someone I want to sleep with."

It's wrong.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:31:29 PM EDT
[#22]

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I don't believe TRAUMA is a word I'd describe...but this boy CERTAINLY has a view on sex that others his age do not.
To me, a pedophile is a pedophile. Gay, straight, male or female.
I don't look at 14 year olds and think, "He's someone I want to sleep with."

It's wrong.



Seriously, what view does he have that scores of other kids his age don't have, besides the fact that it was probably better?

If it's wrong for him to have sex with a 24 year old, why don't we arrest 14 or 15 year olds for having sex with other 14 or 15 year olds?  Is it just harmless fun then?  Playing doctor?

Not promoting young teen sex here, this is academic.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:34:48 PM EDT
[#23]
Remember the vider for 'Hot for Teacher'? The short haired blond?

When I was 14, I would have loved to hit some of the female teachers, and all through high school there were some hot teachers, but the reality of the situation is that what she did was a crime, and she should be punished for it. A man would be doing time for that crime, and she isn't because she is a woman.

What would we be saying if the 14 year old was a girl?

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:38:47 PM EDT
[#24]

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I don't believe TRAUMA is a word I'd describe...but this boy CERTAINLY has a view on sex that others his age do not.
To me, a pedophile is a pedophile. Gay, straight, male or female.
I don't look at 14 year olds and think, "He's someone I want to sleep with."

It's wrong.



Seriously, what view does he have that scores of other kids his age don't have, besides the fact that it was probably better?

If it's wrong for him to have sex with a 24 year old, why don't we arrest 14 or 15 year olds for having sex with other 14 or 15 year olds?  Is it just harmless fun then?  Playing doctor?

Not promoting young teen sex here, this is academic.



What view? Maybe when HE'S 24 he'll think it's ok to show 14 year old girls what BETTER stuff HE knows...
I'm sorry...I just think it's sickening. As I said, 14 year olds are NOT something that trips my trigger. I realize 14 year old girls look different today than they did 20 years ago. But do you look at them lustily?
I'm no prude. TRUST ME. But sex is a grown up activity.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:38:56 PM EDT
[#25]

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What would we be saying if the 14 year old was a girl?



What if, what if, what if... what if the moon WAS made of cheese?

He WASN'T a girl.  Girls are differently wired than boys.  The fact that people don't recognize that shows how successful the feminist movement has been.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:40:14 PM EDT
[#26]
Sex IS a grown up activity... so why isn't society arresting 14 year olds who have sex with other 14 year olds, victimizing each other?  We arrest 14 year olds who get into fistfights at school.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:42:44 PM EDT
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A double standard exists... that is a fact.   Most everyone agrees the relationship should not have happened and was not right.   When I was in HS, every 14 yo male classmate I knew would jump at the chance to have sex with a teacher like her.   Some did, and seem to be normal, healthy, productive today.  Do we know what damage this victim suffered?          



So, if we didn't have Oprah and it was your daughter instead, would you feel the same way?
I have not said how I "feel" about this and I don't know what Oprah has to do with this.  But, for the sake of argument, lets say I disagree because men and women are held to different standards.  

Yes, it's artificial, however as a person in power over a youngster under her, she could have at least banged someone who she did not teach.  That has no bearing on the discussion at hand.  


When the law states that it is as right for a man to do the same thing to a 14 year female student and receive the same exact sentance, [basically nothing] I hope I have no kids or grandkids in school.
That is the law as established by a majority of adults... but the law does not adequately reflect human nature.  That is reality.  

Fantasys are just that, a fantasy.   Apparently not in this case!  

And 14 year old HS girls should be fair game for all. Even if she is your daughter. After all, she might be some teachers fantasy.

  Nope, double standard again....
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:44:16 PM EDT
[#28]

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What would we be saying if the 14 year old was a girl?



What if, what if, what if... what if the moon WAS made of cheese?

He WASN'T a girl.  Girls are differently wired than boys.  The fact that people don't recognize that shows how successful the feminist movement has been.



YOu need to do some research. Girls emotionally and physically mature faster than boys.

Do you have kids? From the way you talk, I seriously doubt it.

And with your screen name, I think you might be a few weeks older that the victim of the article.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:45:44 PM EDT
[#29]

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If it's wrong for him to have sex with a 24 year old, why don't we arrest 14 or 15 year olds for having sex with other 14 or 15 year olds?  Is it just harmless fun then?  Playing doctor?



This^^^ is one of the goals of Kansas Attorney General Phil Kline, based on his statements and actions in the past.  

My opinion, which I have expressed to my legislators, is that sexual activity before the age of consent between people who are reasonably in the same peer group is a problem that should be handled by the parents and medical professionals (to educate about safe sex, to check for STD transmission, and to educate about the emotional and physical consequences of sex).  

Criminal law should only be involved when it is an older predator preying on underaged people.  Is this a blurry line?  It can be.  What of a 17 year old dating a 15 year old?  19 and 15?  20 and 16? 18 and 14?  Somewhere there /is/ a limit--I think most of us would recognize that a 25 year old dating (or having sex with) a 13 year old is wrong.  The problem is that emotional maturity and the ability to reason, which is what the 'age of consent' is supposed to come close to defining, is like physical maturity.  It doesn't happen at the same age for everyone.  There's a range of ages, but the law sets one formal age.

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:45:47 PM EDT
[#30]

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I'm no prude. TRUST ME.




Oh, we believe you. Trust me.  
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:47:20 PM EDT
[#31]
What if she was 18? 17? 16?

Would he still be "traumatized"?

Would she still be a "child molester"?
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:48:31 PM EDT
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What would we be saying if the 14 year old was a girl?



What if, what if, what if... what if the moon WAS made of cheese?

He WASN'T a girl.  Girls are differently wired than boys.  The fact that people don't recognize that shows how successful the feminist movement has been.




Thats right, they are different. Of course since 14 year old girls get pregnant every day, and most of the "dads" are older, I don't think the arguement will go your way.  
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:53:55 PM EDT
[#33]

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I'd do her.



+1 or whatever we are up to now.  Why the hell couldn't any of my teachers look like that?



I still feel sorry for her husband though.  Damn, that would be one hell of a hit to one's ego.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 4:56:07 PM EDT
[#34]

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What would we be saying if the 14 year old was a girl?



What if, what if, what if... what if the moon WAS made of cheese?

He WASN'T a girl.  Girls are differently wired than boys.  The fact that people don't recognize that shows how successful the feminist movement has been.




Thats right, they are different. Of course since 14 year old girls get pregnant every day, and most of the "dads" are older, I don't think the arguement will go your way.  




Yup, boys and girls are different. I was younger than my sister, but I was allowed to stay out later than her, and my parents never really freaked out if I came home late, or if I snuck out. However, my sister show up 5 minutes late, she was in trouble.

BUT, that still doesn't mean that it would have been okay for me to be banging a techer who was almost 10 years older than me, when I was 14.

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 5:01:42 PM EDT
[#35]
Without reading any of the posts in this thread I'm going to guess the stances taken regarding the charges being dropped:

1.  She's so hot, good for her, she really didn't do anything too wrong.  I wish she had done it to me, in fact she still can.
2.  Just because she's hot doesn't mean that she can commit a felony.
3.  If she was sick at the time she needs to be sentenced and hospitalized.
4.  Is she really a blonde?  I don't think the curtains match the carpet...
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 5:05:01 PM EDT
[#36]

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He is kid who had sex, not a 4 year old who was raped. I think mom is just as quilty in letter her walk as she is in doing these acts.




No kidding.
If it were my kid, she'd not be walking anywhere...hard for her to do that with her legs snapped off and shoved in her mouth.



mmmmmm, problem with you're boys doing REALLY HOT teachers  

When I was 14 I could have died a happy death with that score
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 5:05:03 PM EDT
[#37]
I have two sons, ages 12 and 2.

You know, I never see any guys saying "Well, when my son has a girlfriend coming to pick him up for a date, I'll be sure to be sitting at the kitchen table cleaning my shotgun."

Of course what happened isn't OK.  But spare me the poor, traumatized kid routine.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 5:07:28 PM EDT
[#38]

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Without reading any of the posts in this thread I'm going to guess the stances taken regarding the charges being dropped:

1.  She's so hot, good for her, she really didn't do anything too wrong.  I wish she had done it to me, in fact she still can.
2.  Just because she's hot doesn't mean that she can commit a felony.
3.  If she was sick at the time she needs to be sentenced and hospitalized.
4.  Is she really a blonde?  I don't think the curtains match the carpet...


5. She broke the law; she should be held accountable.  "What we got here is a complete lack of respect for the law" (Texas Sheriff Buford T. Justice)
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 5:12:57 PM EDT
[#39]

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Without reading any of the posts in this thread I'm going to guess the stances taken regarding the charges being dropped:

1.  She's so hot, good for her, she really didn't do anything too wrong.  I wish she had done it to me, in fact she still can.
2.  Just because she's hot doesn't mean that she can commit a felony.
3.  If she was sick at the time she needs to be sentenced and hospitalized.
4.  Is she really a blonde?  I don't think the curtains match the carpet...


5. She broke the law; she should be held accountable.  "What we got here is a complete lack of respect for the law" (Texas Sheriff Buford T. Justice)




Link Posted: 3/21/2006 5:18:49 PM EDT
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Fox just announced the prosecuter is dropping charges.

Another sexual predator/pedofile is free


Good job Florida, imagine that....


She is the School Teacher in Florida....to joggle your memory.




He may have a real problem getting a conviction on that case.

After all, how many "If I had a teacher like that, I wish she would've abused me!!" comments did we hear?



Not only that but the bitch is crazy.  Like, really crazy.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 5:20:56 PM EDT
[#41]

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Fox just announced the prosecuter is dropping charges.

Another sexual predator/pedofile is free


Good job Florida, imagine that....


She is the School Teacher in Florida....to joggle your memory.




He may have a real problem getting a conviction on that case.

After all, how many "If I had a teacher like that, I wish she would've abused me!!" comments did we hear?



Not only that but the bitch is crazy.  Like, really crazy in da sack!.

w00t!

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 5:23:42 PM EDT
[#42]
Wait... she's 23 and he's 14?

What, are you fucking kidding me?

Talk about perspective!

(granted, still wrong, but not exactly the crime of the century)
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 5:37:51 PM EDT
[#43]
Cool.

I think its stupid how we baby kids and young adults these days.

Back in the day teenager = adult.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 5:41:24 PM EDT
[#44]

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For a hot teacher to seduce a teenage boy is the boy's fantasy.

I see no crime here.    I'm just really jealous.


You can't rape the willing and the boy isn't going to get pregnant.    And a boy that age (meaning,
any age from puberty on) is very likely to be willing.


She should never have even been taken into custody.   A hot teacher laying a horny teenage boy is no crime, it's a fantasy!



Yes, you can rape the willing.



Rape (from dictionary.com)
# The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
# The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
# Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.

It was totally consensual. So where does your opinion jive with the facts? Rape the willing? Sounds like you're trying to justify your opinion with emotion. Isn't that a liberal thing?

I too see no crime here other than adultery in the eyes of the ex-husband. In the kid's eyes he scores and that's all that matters. Probably kicking himself for telling now though. It is true however that there is a double standard between the genders in the legal world.


Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Will you be saying that if they ban all semi automatic rifles? Hey it's the law, no matter if it's right or makes any sense.

 If a 24 YO hot chick can do this and you cry "no problem" then I assume that a 24 YO gay guy could do it as well so long as the kid was "willing"  

Try that with my kids (gy or girl) and you will wish for jail as I will take time off and make your life hell.  Period.  You won't get a job, or get out of house w/o me following with a sign, a la the "Phelps" strategy.  


It's more likely you'll be sitting in jail after your ass was arrested for harassment or battery. Or worse.
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 6:11:04 PM EDT
[#45]
         
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 6:14:24 PM EDT
[#46]
Her name was Leann was 23 and she lived two houses down and could make me melt with a smile.

I was 13 when the ride began, 16 when it ended (her job relocated). About 5 months in my dad got suspicious and took me aside and asked.  I told him. Got a .  He went into the sex speech, why to keep quiet about her, and some life experience advice.

To be fair she honestly didn't look a bit over 16 at 5'2" 100lbs and raven hair.  But it's not like I cared how old she was either.  I'd have to classify them as the best times of my teen years.

As an adult I ended up marring a woman 8yrs older then myself.  


So do I sound traumatized?

Link Posted: 3/21/2006 6:24:25 PM EDT
[#47]

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Her name was Leann was 23 and she lived two houses down and could make me melt with a smile.

I was 13 when the ride began, 16 when it ended (her job relocated). About 5 months in my dad got suspicious and took me aside and asked.  I told him. Got a .  He went into the sex speech, why to keep quiet about her, and some life experience advice.

To be fair she honestly didn't look a bit over 16 at 5'2" 100lbs and raven hair.  But it's not like I cared how old she was either.  I'd have to classify them as the best times of my teen years.

As an adult I ended up marring a woman 8yrs older then myself.  


So do I sound traumatized?




Your not  traumatized, your bragging, you lucky bastard
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 7:29:39 PM EDT
[#48]

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It was totally consensual. So where does your opinion jive with the facts? Rape the willing? Sounds like you're trying to justify your opinion with emotion. Isn't that a liberal thing?



Explain how someone below the legal age of consent can consent.

It cannot have been consensual, because the child cannot consent to sex.  Therefore it was not consensual, it was rape.

Jim
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 3:43:44 AM EDT
[#49]

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Sex IS a grown up activity... so why isn't society arresting 14 year olds who have sex with other 14 year olds, victimizing each other?  We arrest 14 year olds who get into fistfights at school.



Because as a society we recognize that 14 year olds are less rational and sensible than adults, and often have great difficulty controlling themselves. That is, after all, why we call them CHILDREN.

By age 18 we expect them to be beyond such juvenile behavior.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 3:44:39 AM EDT
[#50]

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What if she was 18? 17? 16?

Would he still be "traumatized"?

Would she still be a "child molester"?



If she was 18 and over, yes.
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