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Thanks for the informative testing. I had serious doubts about the company when I saw their EXTREME ad in Soldier of Fortune next to a Fantasy Commando Mall Ninja knife w/ fangs. You may have saved a lot of people here money - especially at $1.85 per round. Seems like their are very few groundbreaking developments out there - sometimes its best to stick with what you know works.
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O_P,
How soon will you share this info with the manufacturer, and what are your expectations from their response? HH |
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Nice
Xd Results as expected I actually had a cop this fall try to finish off a Deer with this crap 2 rounds and 20 minutes to bleed out .one thru the skull and one thru the neck yes it was his duty gun and what he was carrying |
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Glaser blue tip is over $1 a round.... |
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Once again, awesome work.
And thank you, too, for saving me money. I was thinking of trying those rounds, and now I know they probably aren't worth the investment. I'll stick with Hydra-Shok's. |
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That's what I use, too...in my Kimber, S&W's, PPK/s, P239 and Colt Det. Spcl. HH |
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I don't intend to share it with the manufacturer. As stated in the original post, I met the owner at the SHOT Show. He was a really nice guy and very nice to me. He obviously believes in his product. He obviously believes that the penetration of his ammo is all that is needed to disable a bad guy. I see no reason to argue with him. If some folks like his product, then more power to them. It is a product. It is for sale. If they think it is worth the cost, they will buy it. That's how Capitalism works. |
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OUTSTANDING PRESENTATION!!!
Well Done OP! Thanks again. Good research, good analysis and good presentation. |
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Wait a minute. This is ARFcom. No reasonableness allowed... |
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Just for reference: EXOTIC AMMO FAQ in the ammo forum
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Gotcha. It's probably best for each person to decide for themselves and make their choices accordingly anyway. You would make a fortune writing a book using all of your Box O'Truth tests. HH |
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And just for reference - if you guys are buying rounds for self-defense, do yourself and look around the net for some objective reviews. Hydra-Shock are NOT a good choice to their well-documented failure to expand after penetrating clothes.
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Holy shit! Someone alert Stan Bulmer! Somone has infringed on his bullshit jargon trademark! "The president of Extreme Shock says that standard penetration tests do not show the performance of their ammo." Obviously we haven't been able to test the black voodoo magic they throw into the creation of every round. No wonder those rounds are so expensive - those chickens they have to sacrifice are expensive with the bird-flu scare and all. |
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An excellent write-up, Zhukov. I believe we are in agreement on all main points. |
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Well shucks! I'm all embarrassed. |
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We must be killing the pic server..none of the pics are loading.
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Electricity! Sparks! Explosions! You won't need to SHOOT anyone, just show them this packaging... Like I said before, I am in advertising and **I** thought this was tacky... |
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My findings as well. See it here: www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot13.htm Zhukov, I've heard that they have improved that bullet. Have you heard that? |
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...and how far back did they improve it-if they did? I've loaded all of our HG's with FHS's, all purchased in the last 4 months. I'll switch immediately if they weren't improved. (Pre-conceived notions just exploded for me ... ) HH |
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Federal has not really changed the Hydra-Shok design. They did come out with their HST, which in its' current iteration is very good.
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OP - Sorry, but I do not know if they've changed their design recently or not. I don't have inndustry contacts, but I figured I'd have heard about it through the grapevine. I would not stake my life on the Hydra Shock. All of mine are loaded with Speer Gold Dots. Winchester Ranger-T's are supposed to be *slightly* better, but very difficult to get a hold of. |
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Well, that's what I figured. I found some Ranger SXTs and that's what I have in the guns for Social Purposes. |
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sorry, but you would be better off just switching to ranger or gold dot, most current production ammo FAQ my brother has a lot of fed. hydra shock, i've given him some boxes of ranger to use in his carry guns. |
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he......laughing.....too......hard.... Thanks for the test, O_P. |
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Yeah, sure sounds like it. Gold Dots apparently are easier to get ahold of than the Rangers. Guess I'll have fun shooting up my FSH's! HH |
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Great report and test. Thanx.
I feel that I got my monies worth from what I donated. An HS2K/XD fan. Ed |
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FYI,
I've always been able to find plenty of Ranger T's at the Dallas Market Hall gunshow. |
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When I was taking my basic handgun class at a local shooting range, as a requirement to getting my CHP, the instructor
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Some people who are "instructors" are dumber than posts about firearms, tactics, and ballistics. In fact, their students who profess no knowlege at all are usually much better off knowing nothing than they are listening to such tripe. |
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Many thanks, Ed357SIGEly. You guys made it possible. |
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Thank you O.P., You are certainly a scholar and a gentleman!
Where are all the people who bought this doodoo and insist on defending it?? It's the ARFCOM way. |
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If I were a university chancellor/president, I'd try to find a way to give Old_Painless an honorary doctorate. They give them to all kinds of people that don't deserve them - like actors and politicians - but Old_Painless is a academic at heart, going out and looking for empirical evidence in the field! (Not sure if I just insulted or complimented him ) |
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I take it as an extreme compliment! I would like to be, "Old_Painless, Doctor O' Truth". |
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I'll shoot it, if you'll do the autopsy. |
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O.P. If your going to keep doing penetration tests, shouldn't you consider making ballistic geletin?
The stuff isn't that hard to make and I think it would add some legitimacy to your test's. You are a purveyer of truth, statements like"--bullets penetrate approximately 1.6 to 2 times as much in water as in soft tissue" don't belong in your posts. Not to mention, what impact do the plastic containers make? Have you tested them? I'm not slamming on you, I really enjoy your post's. |
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I appreciate your comments. The statment you quoted is from DocGKR, a noted expert on another forum. I believe the information he gives is correct. Many others agree that he is certainly worth listening to. I could use ballistic gelatin, but it is an awful lot of trouble and must be refrigerated to a certain temperature and kept at that temperature throughout the tests. I simply do not have the equipment (or the interest) for going to all that trouble. I believe that the water tests are at least "instructive", if not absolutely perfect. I am satisfied with them at this point. If you want to help finance me a lab and all necessary equipment, including good looking young girls as "assistants", I will be glad to improve my scientific methods. If not, then it's just me and the Tman at the range. |
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