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More informative than the 'Omelette in a ziplock' thread. Kudos.
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I remember that one.. It was good! |
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Does Stan know that you are giving away his secrets again? SBG |
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That is very, very cool.
I'd also like to learn more about the omelete in a ziplock, though. |
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Just materials its about .02 cents.. And that just for the lead. The jackets you can pick up off the range.
Yup same procedure but larger scale. |
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I remember the first time this was posted here. (was that you?)
Anyways, excellent job and thanks - very informative. |
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Okay, let's see if my math is right. There's 7000 grains to a pound. 10 lbs = 70,000 grains You can get something like 1111 63 grain cores out of that. So $22 divided by 1111 = 0.019. So basically 2 cents per bullet because used .22 shells are free for the picking at any range. Oh yeah. Thanks for reposting (is that a preemptive dupe? ) this. I loved it the first time around. I've always thought I wanted to swage my own bullets but the inital start up cost is a bit too much and I don't have a solid/heavy enough bench to do it with either. But it's still real cool. |
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Great post! I love to start swaging bullets but the cost for the set up is high. You can buy a lot of bullets for $700.
Is that a Corbin set up? |
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He posted a 100yard group in the last thread. It was sub MOA.
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If you keep every thing clean and do good QC. Yes they are very accurate!
Yup.. It helps being 10 mins away from the factory.. Ok for comparison... Berger Match Grade Varmint Bullets 22 Caliber (224 Diameter) 55 Grain Hollow Point Flat Base Box of 100 Midway price $22.49 So for $700 you get 31 boxes.. or 3100 bullets.. |
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+1 how do the fly? Man, I wish I had money. |
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It would be nice to see some ballistics gell testing with this.
Maybe OldPainless could do some testing with them. |
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I have a whole box of gel waiting to be shot... Ill have to get some pics of the ground squirrels that I have shot with them (12 foot circle of meaty chunks!).. I know that Tattoo a old time member here took a deer with one (one shot to the chest, he said it looks like a hand greanade went off in its chest).
If the dies are all set. Less that 20 mins. most of the time is setting the dies. I usually run batches of 500 at the min, to cut down on die switching. |
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Pretty cool!
Wish I had the money and time. Thanks for taking the time to post it. |
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That was rather interesting in a "that might be useful when the SHTF" type of way.
I'll bet Mad Max wishes he had that setup in his movies. IIFC, good ammo was as scarce as oil was in the "future." Sounds like the future is getting pretty close though. |
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I assume you can make different caliber bullets with different dies?
Would you still use 22lr brass to make 45ACP JHP bullet? |
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For a bit of background info...
From Speers site.. A Heritage of Innovation Vernon Speer(1901-1978) was a man driven by his inventive nature. A native of Iowa, Vernon served in the US Navy during World War I, stimulating his interest in aviation. At age 21, he designed and built an aircraft engine. To prove its worth, he installed it in a biplane and took it aloft. Following the war, he worked as a tool foreman for the John Deere Company. When World War II broke out, he became chief ground instructor at a Lincoln, Nebraska flying school. It was during this time he became interested in bullet making. He was briefly in the bullet business with Joyce Hornady, founder of Hornady Bullets. In 1944, Vernon looked for a new location, one that offered good transportation, mild weather and, of course, access to great hunting. He selected Lewiston, Idaho, on the Washington-Idaho border. He rented space in the basement of a small corner grocery store and built equipment to convert fired 22 rimfire cases into .224" bullet jackets. The war effort meant that gilding metal, the preferred material for bullet jackets, was all going into government ammo plants. Reprocessing rimfire cases was Vernon's clever solution to a knotty problem. That solution put him in the bullet business for good. Speer Bullets soon outgrew the grocery store and Vernon invested in property on Snake River Avenue, just yards from the famous Snake River. The new plant, combined with the renewed availability of gilding metal, allowed Vernon to expand his bullet line to just about every caliber a reloader could want. He continued to innovate, developing Hot-Cor bullets and the first mass-produced jacketed handgun bullets for reloaders. Vernon's interests extended well beyond the bullet business. He became an accomplished bush pilot, no mean feat considering the many primitive back-country airstrips in Idaho. He was a student of geology and a competent hydraulic engineer. He even designed and built several small hydro-electric plants to power remote ranches in Idaho. Vernon ran Speer Bullets until his retirement in 1966. His son Ray, who did the first Speer Reloading Manual in 1954, became the president, but Vernon continued to contribute to the company until it was sold to Omark Industries in 1975. Speer bullets are still made in the same plant Vernon built, and that same attention to the reloaders exists today. We are proud to continue Vernon's dedication to the reloading community. Also another company that started there... Rock Chuck Bullet Swage or RCBS.
No you need to use a larger cup. But you can makes those out of copper/brass sheet or brass/copper water pipe! |
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Being an alloy--will the brass jackets cause any accellerated wear in the barrel (over softer copper)?
Will the harder brass cause any difficulties in reloading (i.e.--harder to compress against the walls of the barrel, so causing increased pressure or gas blow-by)? Compensate by lowering starting loads? |
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The brass is a bit harder, Not very much (remember the brass is in an anealed state). It will burnish the barrel and leave less fowling than copper. I have not noticed any diffrence in velocity between the brass or copper. The jackets are thinner than a standard Copper jacket. And you cannot push these much faster than 3500 FPS. |
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You used a 22 mag case for the 60 gr... right? <eta> Also, these do much better out of a 1 in 12 (or 14) barrel than they do out of a 1/7. If you push them over 3100 fps in a 1/7 they blow up at about 10 yards. |
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this is the second thread that deserves......
you are a god among men. VERY cool! |
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You can fit up to a 65 gr in a standard 22 case. With the mag cases you can go as high as a 120 ish gr bullet. In the pics its a standard 22 case.. |
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I must have a different ogive die set than you… Also have the rebated boat tail punches. Been a while since I’ve rolled my own. Finding extruded lead is a pain in the ass. |
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Really?? Corbin has the lead in stock, or you can get a core die and mold your own. Im running an 6s Ojive on the .224 and 6mm And a 3 s on the .204. The rebated boat tale dies eat a bit of your weight. Have you played with any of the powdered metal that Corbin sells? The powered copper it pretty wicked! I have found that a cupped base works a heck of a lot better than the RBT design. |
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Or fill 'em with tanerite, like those exploding hollyweird bullet! |
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Uh huh… check out shipping from him to me. Cheaper for me to buy pulls and re-swage them. I heard that casting cores is bad mojo because of air-pockets.
I do not remember what ogive I bought. I got them in 90. The RB punches are also kind of rough on the jacket. If you are not careful it will cut it right at the base and you wind up with a stuck jacket in the barrel.
Nope... They didn't start selling that stuff until a few years ago.
Yup, me too. After I spent $$$ on the punch set. |
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You cast the slugs then they get core swaged to size/weight. If there is any pockets of air they be gone by then. The RBT dies are not cheap! Id love to have a set in 6mm though. Which press and dies are you using? |
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