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Posted: 6/5/2008 9:03:27 AM EDT

[#1]

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Wow, there's a pretty high percentage of childish posts in this thread,

So most of you don't agree with things being done the way they are in DC, even though most of you won't be there anytime soon, and it makes it ok to throw a tantrum?

I don't agree with checkpoints. It is like they are conceding that the good citizens and police have lost control of that city.

DC has a SKY HIGH homicide rate, 385 per 100,000 IIRC, which is far and away greater than the homicide rates in the rest of the country. Several states have rates of 2 per 100,000 or less.

From what I understand of DC, it like many places, doesn't have difficulty finding, arresting, and obtaining convictions against felony criminal suspects. They have a problem with what to do with them after.

More prison space would probably lessen the crime rate in DC more surely than any other measure.

The murder rate is closer to 38.5 per 100k. The city only has 500k people. Last year we had about 200 murders. Teh cops have saturated bad areas but the murders keep happening. A lot of shootings are so close to police officers that they actually hear the gunshots and run on foot or by car to the scene.

It's a divided city, half is wonderful and the other half is split into dangerous areas and
pretty decent areas.

I work a few blocks away from a transitional area. It wouldn't be bad at all if ccw was allowed.

The cops confiscate about 1300 guns a year.

Posted: 6/5/2008 9:09:28 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow, there's a pretty high percentage of childish posts in this thread,

So most of you don't agree with things being done the way they are in DC, even though most of you won't be there anytime soon, and it makes it ok to throw a tantrum?

I don't agree with checkpoints. It is like they are conceding that the good citizens and police have lost control of that city.

DC has a SKY HIGH homicide rate, 385 per 100,000 IIRC, which is far and away greater than the homicide rates in the rest of the country. Several states have rates of 2 per 100,000 or less.

From what I understand of DC, it like many places, doesn't have difficulty finding, arresting, and obtaining convictions against felony criminal suspects. They have a problem with what to do with them after.

More prison space would probably lessen the crime rate in DC more surely than any other measure.

The murder rate is closer to 38.5 per 100k. The city only has 500k people. Last year we had about 200 murders. Teh cops have saturated bad areas but the murders keep happening. A lot of shootings are so close to police officers that they actually hear the gunshots and run on foot or by car to the scene.

It's a divided city, half is wonderful and the other half is split into dangerous areas and
pretty decent areas.

I work a few blocks away from a transitional area. It wouldn't be bad at all if ccw was allowed.

The cops confiscate about 1300 guns a year.

The cops confiscate about 1300 guns a year.

That might be a part of the problem of this government complex equation.

Posted: 6/6/2008 7:43:03 AM EDT

[#3]

Posted: 6/6/2008 7:57:21 AM EDT

[#4]

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The cops confiscate about 1300 guns a year.

Apparently not from the right people...

Posted: 6/6/2008 9:31:00 AM EDT

[#5]

height=8

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Just a question of proportion, how many murders / week in DC till you think it may be a good time to institute some "emergency procedures" to quell the violence?

20 murders / week?

50? 100? 200?

Maybe it's time to aloww law abiding citizens to defend themselves.
Allow people the means: guns.

Posted: 6/6/2008 9:34:50 AM EDT

[#6]

Its time for the US to pull out of DC

Posted: 6/6/2008 12:02:20 PM EDT

[#7]

Marion Barry is MY Mayor

Posted: 6/6/2008 12:05:59 PM EDT

[#8]

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Thats our Capitol too.

Fucking pathetic.

Must keep the Capitol safe.

I have mixed emotions about posting this, but the imagery is too strong to ignore. Not just the DC officer, but the fence & flags within. And the extra mags. Shame that this is what kids nowadays will grow up thinking is 'normal' for DC.

www.tonyrogers.com/news/images/photooftheday/dc_capitol_police_350px.jpg

I always thought that was a picture of the USSS or capitol police, not DC metro police

Posted: 6/6/2008 12:15:51 PM EDT

[#9]

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i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/MattHoffman/DCReich.jpg

needs more looty

Posted: 6/6/2008 12:18:58 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
wow

www.wtop.com/?nid=428&sid=1415665

WASHINGTON - Starting this weekend, police in the District will begin shutting down high-crime neighborhoods and requiring drivers to present identification before they are allowed to pass through checkpoints. Last weekend's murder spree in the District prompted leaders to take action.

The new initiative, called "Neighborhood Safety Zones," allows D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier to designate areas where there have been an outbreak of violence.

Once an area is designated, signs and checkpoints will go up and neighbors will be notified. Any car trying to enter the designated neighborhood will be stopped, and drivers and passengers will have to produce identification. They will also have to give an explanation as to why they are there.

Pedestrians will not be affected by the new policy.

According to the Police General Order obtained by the Washington Examiner, anyone who refuses to provide identification can be arrested.

The zones must be approved by Lanier, and will be in effect 24 hours a day for a maximum of 10 days. The checkpoints will be set up on major roads and will operate at random hours while the designation is in effect.

"We're not going to be predictable," says Lanier.

The first neighborhood to be shut down will be part of Trinidad in Northeast, D.C., near Florida Avenue. More zones could be established if there is evidence to support violent crime in the neighborhood, such as intelligence, violent crime data, police reports and feedback and concerns from the community.

Interim D.C. Attorney General Peter Nickles says the "provisions are fully constitutional."

"This is an unusual remedy for a very unusual time period with respect to homicides."

Eight people were killed and at least eight wounded in weekend violence in the District. The deaths bring this year's homicide total in the city to 73. It's the first time this year that the number has exceeded the tally from the same date in 2007.

Most of the weekend killings happened in the 5th Police District in Northeast.

"Welcome to Baghdad, D.C.," says Art Spitzer with the ACLU. "In this country, you don't need identification papers and to give an explanation for why you want to go from one neighborhood to another."

D.C. Councilmember Phil Mendelson calls the tactics illegal.

"I support increased police presence to reduce crime, but to stop innocent people, require identification, and require everyone to explain themselves is unlawful."

Lanier says as long as they stop every car it is legal.

(Copyright 2008 by WTOP Radio. All Rights Reserved.)

Sorry if I'm late, but
"Papers please".

Posted: 6/6/2008 12:19:58 PM EDT

[#11]

1. Fucking bullshit. I go where i want on roads paid for by my tax dollars. I will go around construction and accidents, but not the whim of politicians.
2. Are they thinking the crime is coming from outside the community? So some madman is driving in from Alexandria and slaying people? All they are doing is forcing the criminals to take 10 more minutes to get home.

Its just retardation of the highest order.

Posted: 6/6/2008 12:24:28 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

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"Welcome to Baghdad, D.C.," says Art Spitzer with the ACLU. "In this country, you don't need identification papers and to give an explanation for why you want to go from one neighborhood to another."

Well, it did work in Baghdad.

Plus I hate people who live in DC. DC residents have the government they asked for and the government they deserve.

Maybe they will wake up at some point.... no, what was I thinking of course they won't.

Posted: 6/6/2008 12:38:53 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow, there's a pretty high percentage of childish posts in this thread,

So most of you don't agree with things being done the way they are in DC, even though most of you won't be there anytime soon, and it makes it ok to throw a tantrum?

I don't agree with checkpoints. It is like they are conceding that the good citizens and police have lost control of that city.

DC has a SKY HIGH homicide rate, 385 per 100,000 IIRC, which is far and away greater than the homicide rates in the rest of the country. Several states have rates of 2 per 100,000 or less.

From what I understand of DC, it like many places, doesn't have difficulty finding, arresting, and obtaining convictions against felony criminal suspects. They have a problem with what to do with them after.

More prison space would probably lessen the crime rate in DC more surely than any other measure.

Is that City or Metro?

Houston, 2 Million people, 14.4 homicides per 100,000 in 2007

DC City, 600.000 people in 2007 and has 385 per 100.000.

showing the obvious point - that people in Texas are friendly.

but we're full- stay where ya are!!!!

Posted: 6/6/2008 12:42:21 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/MattHoffman/DCReich.jpg

that's ghey.

Posted: 6/6/2008 12:52:07 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow, there's a pretty high percentage of childish posts in this thread,

So most of you don't agree with things being done the way they are in DC, even though most of you won't be there anytime soon, and it makes it ok to throw a tantrum?

I don't agree with checkpoints. It is like they are conceding that the good citizens and police have lost control of that city.

DC has a SKY HIGH homicide rate, 385 per 100,000 IIRC, which is far and away greater than the homicide rates in the rest of the country. Several states have rates of 2 per 100,000 or less.

From what I understand of DC, it like many places, doesn't have difficulty finding, arresting, and obtaining convictions against felony criminal suspects. They have a problem with what to do with them after.

More prison space would probably lessen the crime rate in DC more surely than any other measure.

The murder rate is closer to 38.5 per 100k. The city only has 500k people. Last year we had about 200 murders. Teh cops have saturated bad areas but the murders keep happening. A lot of shootings are so close to police officers that they actually hear the gunshots and run on foot or by car to the scene.

It's a divided city, half is wonderful and the other half is split into dangerous areas and
pretty decent areas.

I work a few blocks away from a transitional area. It wouldn't be bad at all if ccw was allowed.

The cops confiscate about 1300 guns a year.

In 1997 The DC Board Of Probation, Board of Parole, DC Pre Trial Services, and the DC Public Defender Service were combined under on FEDERAL umbrella to become the Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency (CSOSA). From the time someone is arrested they are interviewed in lockup (I've done that) and entered into "the system". The system put the "defendant" on a Pre Trial reporting system that includes a Public Defender, drug testing, counseling, etc. The "defendant" upon conviction exits the system until such time as they are released on Parole/Probation/Released On Time.

CSOSA is part of the DOJ.

As to areas of DC: Due to the fact that DC has roads, and public transportation, there is no part of DC that is unaffected by the thugs. And thugs is exactly what they are. Hardcore, worthless, scum of the earth, oxygen wasting, not worth the cost of a bullet thugs.

This latest BS by Lainer, is an act of desperation. She has lost the game. Time to go.

Posted: 6/6/2008 12:58:06 PM EDT

[#16]

What do expect from a city that knowingly voted a crackhead into office?

Posted: 6/6/2008 2:43:35 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
1. Fucking bullshit. I go where i want on roads paid for by my tax dollars. I will go around construction and accidents, but not the whim of politicians.
2. Are they thinking the crime is coming from outside the community? So some madman is driving in from Alexandria and slaying people? All they are doing is forcing the criminals to take 10 more minutes to get home.

Its just retardation of the highest order.

Oh I dunno, most traffic accidents and constructions zones are a lot less dangerous than parts of DC.

Posted: 6/6/2008 7:26:06 PM EDT

[#18]

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And yet one step closer to the U.S.S.A (United Socialist States of America)

Fuck D.C. and fuck cathy lanier (ewww)

I Googled up lanier and found this:

media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/08/08/PH2007080801357.jpg

Larger picture here

Two questions:

1) What are all the ribbons for? Are there battle ribbons for various neighborhoods in DC?

2) Does anyone else think those uniforms & hats are somewhat reminiscent of a Banana Republic Army?

Strumtruppen

Posted: 6/6/2008 7:49:09 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The cops confiscate about 1300 guns a year.

Apparently not from the right people...

The problem is the cops who then sell guns out of the evidence locker.

Posted: 6/6/2008 8:14:32 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
~~Is her CV out there anywhere?~~

Her bona fides

Cathy L. Lanier was named Chief of Metropolitan Police Department by DC Mayor Adrian Fenty. She officially assumed the leadership position on January 2, 2007. On April 3, 2007, members of DC Council approved confirmation.

Chief Lanier has spent her entire law enforcement career with the Metropolitan Police Department, beginning in 1990. Most of her career has been in uniformed patrol, where she served as Commander of the Fourth District, one of the largest and most diverse residential patrol districts in the city. She also served as the Commanding Officer of the Department's Major Narcotics Branch and Vehicular Homicide Units.

More recently, Chief Lanier served as Commander of the Special Operations Division (SOD) for four years, where she managed the Emergency Response Team, Aviation and Harbor Units, Horse Mounted and Canine Units, Special Events/Dignitary Protection Branch, and Civil Disturbance Units. During her tenure as SOD Commander, she established the agency’s first Homeland Security/Counter-Terrorism Branch and created an agency-wide chemical, biological, radiological response unit known as the Special Threat Action Team.

In 2006, the MPDC's Office of Homeland Security and Counter-Terrorism (OHSCT) was created, and Chief Lanier was tapped to be its first Commanding Officer. A highly respected professional in the areas of homeland security and community policing, she took the lead role in developing and implementing coordinated counter-terrorism strategies for all units within the MPDC and launched Operation TIPP (Terrorist Incident Prevention Program).

Chief Lanier is a graduate of the FBI National Academy and the federal Drug Enforcement Administration’s Drug Unit Commanders Academy. She holds Bachelor's and Master’s Degrees in Management from Johns Hopkins University, and a Master's Degree in National Security Studies from the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. She is certified at the technician level in Hazardous Materials Operations.

All that and still bone stupid.

Posted: 6/6/2008 8:19:56 PM EDT

[#21]

Thank God DC has a bunch of social programs to help those affected by these crimes against... people on social programs... by people on social programs.

Posted: 6/6/2008 8:21:57 PM EDT

[#22]

"Ihre Papiere, bitte."

Posted: 6/6/2008 8:22:29 PM EDT

[#23]

Security over freedom.

I'm sure everyone in D.C. would be safer if they put into effect a curfew too. Maybe they could install CCTV cameras into everyones home and have officer within vans on every street corner ease dropping on every cell and phone conversation. Maybe random home inspections with drug detection dogs without a warrant. Oh, better yet we could ID certain types of people the D.C. Police think could cause trouble and round them up into certain areas. Perhaps as in Chicago the police could be better motivated by keeping any funds they find they suspect were the product of an illegal venture. In the end we could round people up and send them to special government camps for the greater good of the state. That could all lead to a final solution for DC's criminal problem.

I swear our Founding Fathers are spinning so fast in their graves they've hit some type of space/time warp speed thing now.

Posted: 6/6/2008 8:26:30 PM EDT

[#24]

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Thank God DC has a bunch of social programs to help those affected by these crimes against... people on social programs... by people on social programs.

HAHA...yeah give people free stuff that you pay for and they feel they're entitled to take your stuff that you paid for...go figure right?

Posted: 6/6/2008 8:35:05 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Security over freedom.

I'm sure everyone in D.C. would be safer if they put into effect a curfew too. Maybe they could install CCTV cameras into everyones home and have officer within vans on every street corner ease dropping on every cell and phone conversation. Maybe random home inspections with drug detection dogs without a warrant. Oh, better yet we could ID certain types of people the D.C. Police think could cause trouble and round them up into certain areas. Perhaps as in Chicago the police could be better motivated by keeping any funds they find they suspect were the product of an illegal venture. In the end we could round people up and send them to special government camps for the greater good of the state. That could all lead to a final solution for DC's criminal problem.

I swear our Founding Fathers are spinning so fast in their graves they've hit some type of space/time warp speed thing now.

DC has had, and will have again this summer, a curfew. Anyone under 18 is to be off the street by 11/12.

DC has one of the most extensive camera setups short of London. Now they are complaining that they don't have enough LE to watch them all.

DC has "gun shot" detectors in most every neighborhood. They triangulate the origin of a gun shot. They have said they can pinpoint the street.

DC has had Operation Safe Homes (or some other idiotic label) where the Police go door to door "asking" if they may search the home for illegal guns.

And still DC is the murder capitol of the country. Why? The police are corrupt, the government is corrupt, and 2/3 of the population are scum.

Posted: 6/6/2008 8:57:07 PM EDT

[#26]

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Security over freedom.

I'm sure everyone in D.C. would be safer if they put into effect a curfew too. Maybe they could install CCTV cameras into everyones home and have officer within vans on every street corner ease dropping on every cell and phone conversation. Maybe random home inspections with drug detection dogs without a warrant. Oh, better yet we could ID certain types of people the D.C. Police think could cause trouble and round them up into certain areas. Perhaps as in Chicago the police could be better motivated by keeping any funds they find they suspect were the product of an illegal venture. In the end we could round people up and send them to special government camps for the greater good of the state. That could all lead to a final solution for DC's criminal problem.

I swear our Founding Fathers are spinning so fast in their graves they've hit some type of space/time warp speed thing now.

This story disgusts me but that line right there is friggin gold...if I ever pony back up and renew my membership, that's going to be my sig.

Posted: 6/6/2008 8:58:35 PM EDT

[#27]

DC = New Orleans
New Orleans = DC
They both have a corrupt police force.

Lets think about this, what do they really have in common?

Anyone......
Bueller..... Bueller....Bueller???

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