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Link Posted: 3/30/2007 9:55:11 AM EDT
[#1]

John" - as well call him - is 45 years old, unemployed and lives with his parents


i was going to make a joke about his parents shutting off power to their basement so he couldn't go online anymore...

unfortunately he really lives with his parents...
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 9:56:22 AM EDT
[#2]
wtf
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 9:57:24 AM EDT
[#3]
Times like this when I wish I was retired and could travel at will.  By the way, anyone have his address?
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 9:57:29 AM EDT
[#4]
Sick people, need a 175gr to the head
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 9:58:03 AM EDT
[#5]

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I've got $.25 for the bullet.


I will cover rental car
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 10:06:26 AM EDT
[#6]

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While I definitely do not think what he is doing is right and is actually really fucked up, he isn't breaking any laws.

think if they made it illegal to have ARFCOM because it shows how to put together scary rifles.


Interesting analogy there, Sparky. You do recognize that there's just a bit of ethical, moral and legal difference between asembling a rifle and having sex with a three year old, right?

Link Posted: 3/30/2007 10:08:29 AM EDT
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Waste tax dollars on what? He's not currently costing any tax dollars.


He's unemployed.

Guess who most likely funds his existence?


Probably his parents, since he lives with them. Otherwise, the government, via our lovely socialist system. Typically the "Wasting tax dollars" statement is used when someone's sitting around on death row for 15 years making endless appeals, and that was how I treated it. Socialism is, of course, a total waste of taxpayer dollars and should be utterly abolished, but even I would not suggest to abolish it by killing the recipients. Do you believe that everyone who receives welfare should be shot?



It's funny how some people insist on calling a website for PEDOPHILES TO LUST AFTER CHILDREN AND NETWORK WITH EACH OTHER AND AVOID THE AUTHORITIES something that is protected by the first amendment.

Stalking children is not protected speech or activity under the 1st amendment.


Stalking children isn't speech. That's an action. Making a website, on the other hand, is speech (or "the press," more likely, and also protected). The Anarchist's Cookbook describes how to make bombs, yet I can buy it on Amazon.com for $19.77. I can peruse the tables at a gun show and find plenty of material detailing how to carry out illegal activities, yet the material itself is legal. That's how the law works.

And "It's OK because he's disgusting" isn't a valid argument for making law, even though he is indeed disgusting. To Sarah Brady and the other gun-grabbers, we are disgusting, going on about the finer points of assembling weapons, what has the most lethal terminal effect, what is the most accurate, how to shoot faster, how to simulate full-auto firing by "bumping," and so on. The Bradys cannot shut us down, because this website is protected by the Bill of Rights. And the law is a two-edged sword.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 10:12:20 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/30/2007 10:12:49 AM EDT
[#9]

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It disugsts me that our "justice" system lets people like this continue to breathe.  We have a  registered pedophile living in our neighborhood.  He gets out and rides his bicycle around when it is nice out (times when children are likely to be outside) and would just stare me down when I use to wave at him as he passed, before I knew that he was a freak.  Now I alert everyone I see, when I am out running, that we have this sicko living in our area.  Is it really so difficult to put an end to this madness? Instead of all of  the jailing/prison costs and/or parole or probation bullcrap, once convicted it would  cost less than 25 cents (even less when bought in bulk, ha) to begin ending the madness.  If the pedophiles realized that once they were caught, it would be an instance death sentence; I bet that  a lot of them would straighten up, to some extent.  I dunno where this world is going anymore.  It is getting ridiculous.


I totally agree... but the ACLU, democrate politicians, and sympathizers are preventing true justice from happening.  

ACLU is just another domestic terrorist group
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 10:16:43 AM EDT
[#10]
I've got three registered sex offenders, two of them child molestors, within a mile of my house. Both of the child molestors are within two blocks of my house. Every single street in the area has multiple children of all ages.

We know who they are. Kids travel in groups. And if the time some punks were breaking car windows with golf clubs is any indication, the men of the neighborhood can QUICKLY and EFFICIENTLY respond to a scenario.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 10:23:12 AM EDT
[#11]
As much as I hate the very idea of this person being alive...

As much as I think the world would be a better place if he and his ilk were dead...

...he hasn't done anything illegal. At the very least, he certainly hasn't been even implicated. Even taking non-pornographic pictures on public property is not a crime. The very nature of free speech and expression is that what one considers bad speech or wrong expression must also be allowed.

If we were to ban his site based on moral unacceptability, and one day in the future a government decided capitalism was morally unacceptable, who among us could look back and be glad that we set the precedent, as some of the greatest writings of all mankind were burned, as our society crumbled to ash as every communist society has? If we allowed his execution because of his speech, who here could look back and still cheer his death when we're up against the wall, rifles at our chests, for thoughtcrime? Couldn't happen? Just look at all the hideous abuses heaped upon us by loopholes and loose interpretations.

I recall Federalist 51 says, "if men were angels, no government would be necessary." But men are not angels, as the very existence of "John" shows. Men, at least the type of men who seek to govern, are petty, cruel, and do not give up power. If you give them the power to execute because of the words one says, they will seize it, hold it close, and use it to get rid of all their political enemies. And if you're one of those political enemies, you will regret giving him that power sure as the sun rises in the morning.

It's a slippery slope, and we can't take one step down it, or we'll fall all the way to the bottom.

Now, if he's found with child porn, or if he molests a child, or if he violates the law in an attempt to get his pictures, come down on him like a ton of bricks. But until he violates the law, we either have to live with the sick bastard or give up the few basic principles of freedom that we've managed to keep so long.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 10:27:55 AM EDT
[#12]

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I've got $.25 for the bullet.


Don't go cheap.

Spring for a HE 20mm round.


For child molestors I prefer hands tied behind the back, hanged upside down by the feet and a slit jugular. Brain gets blood long enough to consider your actions.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 10:36:32 AM EDT
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Waste tax dollars on what? He's not currently costing any tax dollars.


He's unemployed.

Guess who most likely funds his existence?


Probably his parents, since he lives with them. Otherwise, the government, via our lovely socialist system. Typically the "Wasting tax dollars" statement is used when someone's sitting around on death row for 15 years making endless appeals, and that was how I treated it. Socialism is, of course, a total waste of taxpayer dollars and should be utterly abolished, but even I would not suggest to abolish it by killing the recipients. Do you believe that everyone who receives welfare should be shot?



It's funny how some people insist on calling a website for PEDOPHILES TO LUST AFTER CHILDREN AND NETWORK WITH EACH OTHER AND AVOID THE AUTHORITIES something that is protected by the first amendment.

Stalking children is not protected speech or activity under the 1st amendment.


Stalking children isn't speech. That's an action. Making a website, on the other hand, is speech (or "the press," more likely, and also protected). The Anarchist's Cookbook describes how to make bombs, yet I can buy it on Amazon.com for $19.77. I can peruse the tables at a gun show and find plenty of material detailing how to carry out illegal activities, yet the material itself is legal. That's how the law works.

And "It's OK because he's disgusting" isn't a valid argument for making law, even though he is indeed disgusting. To Sarah Brady and the other gun-grabbers, we are disgusting, going on about the finer points of assembling weapons, what has the most lethal terminal effect, what is the most accurate, how to shoot faster, how to simulate full-auto firing by "bumping," and so on. The Bradys cannot shut us down, because this website is protected by the Bill of Rights. And the law is a two-edged sword.


Two words "kool Aid"
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 10:51:33 AM EDT
[#14]
For some background info, check out the guy's website. The original is down, but you can get it off of Google cache.

Haven't looked at all the details, but among other things, he also has instructions for buying and using weed and shrooms.

Gotta go, back for more later...
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 11:19:57 AM EDT
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While I definitely do not think what he is doing is right and is actually really fucked up, he isn't breaking any laws.

think if they made it illegal to have ARFCOM because it shows how to put together scary rifles.


Interesting analogy there, Sparky. You do recognize that there's just a bit of ethical, moral and legal difference between assembling a rifle and having sex with a three year old, right?



Sure, but where is it going to stop? should we shut down every website that has sound suppressor blueprints, or FA conversion manuals? How about any website for a ANFO recipe? Knowledge is not illegal, actions are.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 11:24:22 AM EDT
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This is one of those times that I really wish states issued people tags just like deer tags.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 11:32:29 AM EDT
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And "It's OK because he's disgusting" isn't a valid argument for making law, even though he is indeed disgusting.


No it isn't.

But furthering criminal behavior is NOT protected under the 1st amendment.

A place specifically designed to be a resource for pedophiles isn't protected speech. While I can obtain a license to handle and even manufacture explosives, I can't obtain a license to have sex with a seven year old.

Big difference.

Putting out literature calling for the violent overthrow of the US government is indeed a crime. Literature where I encourage people to go out and beat up some Jews in the most efficient way possible isn't protected by the 1st amendment.

Neither is manufacturing materials designed to assist in the targeting and sexual assault of children.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 11:39:36 AM EDT
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And "It's OK because he's disgusting" isn't a valid argument for making law, even though he is indeed disgusting.


No it isn't.

But furthering criminal behavior is NOT protected under the 1st amendment.

A place specifically designed to be a resource for pedophiles isn't protected speech. While I can obtain a license to handle and even manufacture explosives, I can't obtain a license to have sex with a seven year old.

Big difference.

Putting out literature calling for the violent overthrow of the US government is indeed a crime. Literature where I encourage people to go out and beat up some Jews in the most efficient way possible isn't protected by the 1st amendment.

Neither is manufacturing materials designed to assist in the targeting and sexual assault of children.


Thank you, now maybe others can get the point.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:16:52 PM EDT
[#19]
Other interesting bits, though this guy seems to be all into liberty and Libertarianism, he links the Brady Campaign and Washington Ceasefire. I wonder if he's afraid some little girl's dad is going to cap him?

Some of the guy's links and comments are a must-read for anyone who doesn't think that they're trying to make this stuff seem normal and OK.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:17:05 PM EDT
[#20]
That site is disturbing!  But the link to the Brady campaign at the bottom is revealing.


eta arrrrrg, second time in 2 days i have posted the exact same thing moments after someone else.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:17:49 PM EDT
[#21]
Hey don't make fun of my website.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:24:50 PM EDT
[#22]
How can so many of you advocate killing people who torture animals, but seem to have no problem with this guys actions?

I have to wonder about anyone that thinks this guys doesn't deserve a dirt nap.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:28:58 PM EDT
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How can so many of you advocate killing people who torture animals, but seem to have no problem with this guys actions?

I have to wonder about anyone that thinks this guys doesn't deserve a dirt nap.


Because torturing animals is mean while having relations with little girls is the American dream.

That's right, I went there.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:31:36 PM EDT
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How can so many of you advocate killing people who torture animals, but seem to have no problem with this guys actions?

I have to wonder about anyone that thinks this guys doesn't deserve a dirt nap.


Because torturing animals is mean while having relations with little girls is the American dream.

That's right, I went there.


Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:46:29 PM EDT
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How can so many of you advocate killing people who torture animals, but seem to have no problem with this guys actions?

I have to wonder about anyone that thinks this guys doesn't deserve a dirt nap.


Because torturing animals is mean while having relations with little girls is the American dream.

That's right, I went there.


WTF!
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:49:28 PM EDT
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The real crime: when I'm at the playground with my son, I've got to watch out for sick bastards like him instead of observing hot MILFs in their natural habitat.



That may be my new sigline...


Saw this story on Fox earlier today, I couldnt figure out how this wasn't aiding and abetting a pedophile.

Sick stuff.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:51:04 PM EDT
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How can so many of you advocate killing people who torture animals, but seem to have no problem with this guys actions?

I have to wonder about anyone that thinks this guys doesn't deserve a dirt nap.


Because torturing animals is mean while having relations with little girls is the American dream.

That's right, I went there.


WTF!


I'm pretty sure it's just a really, really tasteless joke.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:52:12 PM EDT
[#28]

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I've got $.25 for the bullet.


I'll cover your costs!
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:52:42 PM EDT
[#29]

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How can so many of you advocate killing people who torture animals, but seem to have no problem with this guys actions?

I have to wonder about anyone that thinks this guys doesn't deserve a dirt nap.


Because torturing animals is mean while having relations with little girls is the American dream.

That's right, I went there.


WTF!



WTF!?? X10!

Tasteless joke?

WTF????
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:55:07 PM EDT
[#30]

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How can so many of you advocate killing people who torture animals, but seem to have no problem with this guys actions?

I have to wonder about anyone that thinks this guys doesn't deserve a dirt nap.


Because torturing animals is mean while having relations with little girls is the American dream.

That's right, I went there.


WTF!



WTF!?? X10!

Tasteless joke?

WTF????


Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:57:21 PM EDT
[#31]

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How can so many of you advocate killing people who torture animals, but seem to have no problem with this guys actions?

I have to wonder about anyone that thinks this guys doesn't deserve a dirt nap.


Because torturing animals is mean while having relations with little girls is the American dream.

That's right, I went there.


WTF!



WTF!?? X10!

Tasteless joke?

WTF????




I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were making some kind of commentary about society at large and ARFCOM more specifically.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:57:23 PM EDT
[#32]
There's a reason turds like him feel comfortable nowadays, and it ain't just liberals to blame.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 12:58:16 PM EDT
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And "It's OK because he's disgusting" isn't a valid argument for making law, even though he is indeed disgusting.


No it isn't.

But furthering criminal behavior is NOT protected under the 1st amendment.

A place specifically designed to be a resource for pedophiles isn't protected speech. While I can obtain a license to handle and even manufacture explosives, I can't obtain a license to have sex with a seven year old.

Big difference.

Putting out literature calling for the violent overthrow of the US government is indeed a crime. Literature where I encourage people to go out and beat up some Jews in the most efficient way possible isn't protected by the 1st amendment.

Neither is manufacturing materials designed to assist in the targeting and sexual assault of children.


I agree completely, however he claims he does not want to act on it and does not advocate acting on it so as long as it remains limited to *thinking* about children and not trying to have sex with them it remains protected.  However I would think these parents have a very good claim for stalking or using images without permission.

Yes it's sick and yes I wouldn't mind if he wound up 'missing' or whatever but it's just one of those things like the KKK and all that other stuff, can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 1:00:44 PM EDT
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ill go half w/ you on the bullet


I am increasingly becoming convinced that there simply aren't enough bullets to handle all the problem people in this world.


ARFCOM alone has to have a few billion rounds. That's gotta be close.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 1:01:17 PM EDT
[#35]
It would be very wise for people in that area to do a little research and recon.  They should post signs that say the following:

"IF YOU SEE THIS MAN:

HE IS TAKING PICTURES OF YOUR LITTLE GIRLS FOR THE PURPOSES OF AIDING AND ABETTING PEDOPHILIA!"

"TAKE ALL PRECAUTIONS TO AVOID YOUR DAUGHTERS PICTURES BEING TAKEN  FOR THESE PURPOSES!"
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 1:02:09 PM EDT
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Do you guys have CANS up in seattle?  Hint Hint!


Yeah, we can own them--just can't use 'em.

However, if there was an AD with one attached. . .
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 1:20:58 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/30/2007 1:27:01 PM EDT
[#38]
I didn't read the whole thread, here is another article that says his website has
been shut down, I don't think he was happy about all the attention he got

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003642679_pedophile30m0.html
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 3:01:43 PM EDT
[#39]

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www.independentcritics.com/images/boondock%20saints%20SPLASH.jpg


And shepherds we shall be, for thee Lord for thee....
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 3:23:34 PM EDT
[#40]
wow, the ACLU hasn't made a statement yet in support of him?  I expect to see that in a few days.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 6:07:12 PM EDT
[#41]
Folks...enter the mind of a kiddie didler

Excerpt from his cached website:

Sick Kiddie Diddler Site

The Wiggles -- Live!:I wasn't planning on attending this because I didn't know much about this Australian kiddie act and usually don't like fighting the weekday traffic in the Everett to Tacoma area, but I happened to be in Everett late Friday afternoon, and had to at least swing by the Everett Events Center and see what kind of crowd it was attracting. I arrived there about 20 minutes before the 6:30 PM show start, and was surprised at the huge crowd of families (including loads of children) converging on the Center. Naturally many of the kids were LGs, and it didn't take me more than a couple of minutes to decide that I was going in. The parking situation around the Center appeared virtually full, and my survey of the surrounding blocks kept getting wider and wider. I finally found a free spot on Hewitt in the block east of Broadway, with 5 minutes to spare before showtime. The cheapest ticket was $18, so that's what I went with since I had never attended a Wiggles performance. The seat was way up in the nosebleed section of the Center and I could have used a pair of binoculars, but had a great time anyway despite the distant view of the main floor. My recollection of what happened on stage (mostly lighthearted singing, but also some dancing and other antics) is rather fuzzy, and the main entertainment for me was the kids in the audience: almost as soon as the show began, a few LGs started dancing in the aisles of the main floor, and that activity steadily grew despite some parents' attempts to pull their children back into seats. By about halfway through the approximately 90-minute concert (there was no intermission), the kids had completely stolen the show from my perspective, and I couldn't have cared less what was happenning on stage. In addition to the children on the main floor, there were a few around me in the nosebleed seats -- including a girl in the row in front of me who eventually stood up to dance and sing toward the end of the concert. The Wiggles -- Live! was even more of an ecstatic GL experience than The Doodlebops Live! (see Feb 11 review), and I had a grin on my face during most of the show and even after I exited the Events Center. I think Everett was the only Seattle-area stop for this show, which might explain the massive crowd (there was an earlier performance this afternoon, but I figured it wouldn't attract as many people because today was a school day). Next time these mates play the area I'm paying the big bucks for a lower seat!
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 6:47:05 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/30/2007 7:04:02 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/30/2007 7:06:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/30/2007 7:53:36 PM EDT
[#45]
Im glad to see that the site was shutdown.  There looks to be a good organization targeting sites like this.  It is Cyber Crimes.  If any of you happen to come across sites like this in the future, send them their way.  Every site we can get shut down is one less route for these sickos to live out their fantasies.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 7:55:43 PM EDT
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One to the head.



Two to the body, one to the head. I'll spend the extra fiddy cents.
Link Posted: 3/30/2007 8:11:05 PM EDT
[#47]
Shooting this fuck would be a waste of a perfectly good bullet.  After a quick perusal of his site, I have to come to the conclusion that there are probably more than a few fathers out there that deserve the pleasure of choking the life out of this bastard with their bare hands.
Link Posted: 3/31/2007 7:19:52 AM EDT
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Im glad to see that the site was shutdown.  There looks to be a good organization targeting sites like this.  It is Cyber Crimes.  If any of you happen to come across sites like this in the future, send them their way.  Every site we can get shut down is one less route for these sickos to live out their fantasies.


thanks, bookmarked.
Link Posted: 3/31/2007 7:26:23 AM EDT
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It's funny how some people insist on calling a website for PEDOPHILES TO LUST AFTER CHILDREN AND NETWORK WITH EACH OTHER AND AVOID THE AUTHORITIES something that is protected by the first amendment.

Stalking children is not protected speech or activity under the 1st amendment.


Since the site is down now, I can't compare it to one of the may sites out there that cater to pedo's

google for child modelling and you'll find hundreds of perfectly legal sites that show young children in modelling poses.

Christ man, NAMBLA has had a site up for years.    This site was only taken down due to his registering under a false name.

Link Posted: 3/31/2007 7:28:55 AM EDT
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While I definitely do not think what he is doing is right and is actually really fucked up, he isn't breaking any laws.

think if they made it illegal to have ARFCOM because it shows how to put together scary rifles.


Interesting analogy there, Sparky. You do recognize that there's just a bit of ethical, moral and legal difference between asembling a rifle and having sex with a three year old, right?



ask my neighbor who called the police on me when I moved in and was carrying my rifles and shotguns in to put in the safe.   Her concern was "what I was planning to do with all those weapons"  Just like the concern with this guy.

Until he actually commits a crime, there isn't much law enforcement can do.

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