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Posted: 2/2/2006 6:38:36 PM EDT

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Sorry I can't keep track, apologies.

No problem. I realize you can't see breasts from the other side of cyberspace.

Posted: 2/2/2006 6:57:09 PM EDT

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Why would 3 Fam-nazi lesbians need the mourning after pill [I KNOW how I spelled it

anyways?

If it's so all fired important and Wal Mart is the only pharm that covers them [RIIIGHT] then they can BUY the stuff someplace else.

Im case of rape they will probably get it right at the hospital.

The whole case is BS, if you want it sold, don't FORCE some business to sell it, open your OWN business.

Make to much sense to the NOW NAGS I guess.

Posted: 2/2/2006 7:00:42 PM EDT

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SLUTS???
Good GOD ALFREAKENMIGHTY.
This is a drug that has been approved by the FDA. Pharmacies have the obligation to provide what is prescribed by an MD. THAT IS THEIR LINE OF WORK.
Don't like it? GET OUTTA LINE.

YES! SLUTS!

Do you think these three women, who are SO incensed at not being able to flush their child down a sink because heaven only knows who the father is, or because the condom broke, or because one wasn't used, or any other of a MILLION reasons they may have to ditch their responsibilities, are anything BUT sluts?

"Oh! What if they were raped?" I hear you cry.

THEN THEY SHOULD BE IN A FUCKING HOSPITAL OR POLICE STATION, NOT A WAL-MART!

Besides: WANT IT? GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!

That's the most ignorant, callous shit I've read all day.

Give yourself a pat on the back.

Posted: 2/2/2006 9:04:48 PM EDT

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As for not stocking the day after pill. I got a new drug that you can get over the counter that's right next to the pharmacy. Its called the freaking condom, and they come in many different styles.

That's a pretty foolish arguement. Condoms are nowhere near as effective as oral contraception, whether taken regularly or the morning after pill.

And abstinence is even more effective than either, but certain groups are afraid of that being taught or practiced.

Posted: 2/2/2006 9:32:56 PM EDT

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As for not stocking the day after pill. I got a new drug that you can get over the counter that's right next to the pharmacy. Its called the freaking condom, and they come in many different styles.

That's a pretty foolish arguement. Condoms are nowhere near as effective as oral contraception, whether taken regularly or the morning after pill.

And abstinence is even more effective than either, but certain groups are afraid of that being taught or practiced.

Abstinence is a joke. You can't "teach" abstinence. It doesn't solve anything.

The pill is more effective than sterilization by statistics when taken correctly. If girls are going to be whores, to at least prevent unwanted pregnancies is a good start.

Posted: 2/2/2006 9:50:18 PM EDT

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Irrespective of my position on abortion, if Wal-Mart (a private company) decides it doesn't want to stock a product, then the ladies in question, the NOW gang, and the MA legislature can all go finger-fuck each other behind the dumpster.

Besides, the ladies can go get their responsibility-purger-in-a-bottle at any number of other places, so it's not like they're having their precious "right" to off their child infringed upon.

Besides, WTF are these liberal idiots doing shopping at Wal-Mart? I thought Wal-Mart was the focus of evil in the modern world, second only to the military and George Bush?

No kidding. [peeved]

Posted: 2/2/2006 9:54:53 PM EDT

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FREE MARKET .......................................................CAPITALISM

Where the fuck do these people think they live in, The Soviet Union?

Posted: 2/2/2006 9:58:30 PM EDT

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FREE MARKET .......................................................CAPITALISM

Where the fuck do these people think they live in, The Soviet Union?

I concur.

No reason to force anyone to carry it. If I carried it and hired employees that refused to dispense it, they'd be immediately fired, on the spot, in front of the customer if possible.

Posted: 2/2/2006 10:00:10 PM EDT

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As for not stocking the day after pill. I got a new drug that you can get over the counter that's right next to the pharmacy. Its called the freaking condom, and they come in many different styles.

That's a pretty foolish arguement. Condoms are nowhere near as effective as oral contraception, whether taken regularly or the morning after pill.

And abstinence is even more effective than either, but certain groups are afraid of that being taught or practiced.

Afraid? No, they're smart enough to know (and statistics have backed this up) that absitnence programs aren't very effective....or at least they seem to not make a difference either way.

What's effective is education, good parenting, and the availability of safe birth control.

Teaching abstinence without the contingency that young people do stupid things is like shooting with no eye protection. Chances are good you won't lose an eye, but it's still a retarded way to go about things.

I have no problem whatsoever with the morning after pill, and I am at a loss as to why a pharmacy would either. It's not an aborticide, it's just a double-dose of birth control. Why would anyone think that's a bad thing for a young woman to have access to? By the time she's taken it, she's already shown bad judgement. It's not promoting bad behavior, it's a band aid for it.

Some people astonish me with their thinking.

Posted: 2/2/2006 10:20:27 PM EDT

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Why are we arguing over abortion? This is about a private company choosing what they want on their shelves, regardless of reason.

Kroeger doesn't sell guns, which hinders my right to bear arms. Wait, there's a gun store in town...
"Airport Adult Video" 30 minutes from my house doesn't sell the Bible. Wait, the churches here give them away for free...
Sunoco doesn't sell AV gas in my town. Wait, I can buy it at the airport...

Wal-Mart doesn't sell the morning after pill. Oh Lord, whatever shall I do? As a small minded sheep incapable of rational thought, I suppose I should seek government intervention. Ya, that seems reasonable.

Some of you supposed conservatives are nothing of the sort. You're all for government intervention and control when it suits you. Fucking disgusting.

Posted: 2/3/2006 12:56:41 AM EDT

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Why are we arguing over abortion? This is about a private company choosing what they want on their shelves, regardless of reason.

I agree to an extent. A private business should run itself as it sees fit, but this isn't just normal business, or product. A pharmacy is supposed to, by its very nature, keep on hand the medicines that a doctor would prescribe.

They should do their function, hand out the medicines without moral judgement. If you have problems with the manner in which certain medicines are administered, talk to the doctor instead of boycotting a birth control pill.

They prescribe plenty of drugs that are controversial for a whole littany of reasons - not just moral ones but health & effectiveness reasons that a "concerned" pharmacy worker could object to. If we have pharmacies making moral and medical judgements, they cease to be pharmacies and are violating their oath.

And again, the morning after pill is not an aborticide. Everyone repeat this, until it sinks in that they were refusing to sell a pill that they already sell, just in different doses.

Posted: 2/3/2006 3:09:28 AM EDT

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As for not stocking the day after pill. I got a new drug that you can get over the counter that's right next to the pharmacy. Its called the freaking condom, and they come in many different styles.

That's a pretty foolish arguement. Condoms are nowhere near as effective as oral contraception, whether taken regularly or the morning after pill.

And abstinence is even more effective than either, but certain groups are afraid of that being taught or practiced.

Abstinence is a joke. You can't "teach" abstinence. It doesn't solve anything.

The pill is more effective than sterilization by statistics when taken correctly. If girls are going to be whores, to at least prevent unwanted pregnancies is a good start.

And it works JUST LIKE THE MORNING AFTER PILL.
Only WalMart is betting you're too ignorant to know that. Don't believe me? Do some research!
While I agree that FORCING a store to sell something goes against every grain of American thought, I ask you, aren't Doctors and Hospitals etc. answerable to the Govt? Regulated BY the Govt. We're talkin about healthcare. Do you want a complete hand's off approach? That's pretty scary. As I said before, they are in the business of health care, and as such need to follow whatever guidelines are set up (I don't pretend to know them).
I love WalMart

I just hate cowards and liars.
In this stance, they are both.

Posted: 2/3/2006 4:43:50 AM EDT

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That's the most ignorant, callous shit I've read all day.

Give yourself a pat on the back.

Yes, sometimes logic seems ignorant and callous to the senselessly emotional.

Posted: 2/3/2006 4:46:28 AM EDT

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Afraid? No, they're smart enough to know (and statistics have backed this up) that absitnence programs aren't very effective....or at least they seem to not make a difference either way.

That's because abstinence isn't a PROGRAM, it's a PRACTICE.

When abstinence is adheared to, the STD and pregnancy rate is zero.

Don't want to practice abstinence? Then be prepared to deal with the possible consequences.

Don't want to get killed in a car wreck? Don't get in a car. Same principle.

Posted: 2/3/2006 4:53:47 AM EDT

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While I agree that FORCING a store to sell something goes against every grain of American thought,

BREAKTHROUGH!

I ask you, aren't Doctors and Hospitals etc. answerable to the Govt? Regulated BY the Govt.

Only insofar as they should be prepared to provide the services they advertise, and provide them well.

Example: If someone is having a massive corronary, you don't take them to a foot specialist. You take them to an ER. If the ER cannot handle a corronary, it shouldn't be selling itself as an ER.

We're talkin about healthcare. Do you want a complete hand's off approach? That's pretty scary. As I said before, they are in the business of health care, and as such need to follow whatever guidelines are set up (I don't pretend to know them).

Some regulation is, unfortunately, necessary. My job and the entire line of work I'm in exists primarily because the FDA and ISO and other bodies have had to clamp down on businesses because they were selling dangerous or inneffective drugs and devices for use in healthcare scenarios. However, the product lines that a company sells has nothing to do with either safety or efficacy, so the government should butt out.

I love WalMart

So do I, if only because it pisses off the libs. I shop there, but I hate the crowds.

I just hate cowards and liars.
In this stance, they are both.

How so?

Did they advertise that they carry the MAP, and then not do so?

As for cowardice, I hardly find standing up to the state legistlature and the cows over at the NOW gang (not to mention the AFL-CIO) to be anything but cowardly.

Posted: 2/3/2006 4:59:49 AM EDT

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Guilty as charged... and YES Sarge, I retracted...or better yet CORRECTED my figures in later posts.

I didn't get to the end before I posted. I apologize.

Posted: 2/3/2006 5:00:37 AM EDT

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FREE MARKET .......................................................CAPITALISM

Where the fuck do these people think they live in, The Soviet Union?

That would be a good analogy.

Posted: 2/3/2006 5:08:11 AM EDT

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Sorry I can't keep track, apologies.

No problem. I realize you can't see breasts from the other side of cyberspace.

Some of us can!

Oh, man...... I am SO going to get my ass kicked at the next Gunstock!

Posted: 2/3/2006 5:28:34 AM EDT

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Afraid? No, they're smart enough to know (and statistics have backed this up) that absitnence programs aren't very effective....or at least they seem to not make a difference either way.

That's because abstinence isn't a PROGRAM, it's a PRACTICE.

When abstinence is adheared to, the STD and pregnancy rate is zero.

Don't want to practice abstinence? Then be prepared to deal with the possible consequences.

Don't want to get killed in a car wreck? Don't get in a car. Same principle.

How gloriously simple.

And, I mean that as an insult.

The people who fight sex education, contraceptives, the morning after pill and generally anything that involves vaginas and peni, are the ones marching around to high schools demaning abstinence PROGRAMS be taught, and these PROGRAMS do not reach young people. They work about as good as Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No". It works great on the kids who weren't going to get laid anyway....but the rest of normal teenage america is on a collision course with sexual experimentation and being blind and Victorian Age about it is fucking stupid.

I'm not a fucking nitwit, I understand if you don't fuck, you don't get preggers, but as a preventative policy to teach people, saying "don't do it" is inneffective.

Having the morning after pill easily available is preferable to unwanted children, in my opinion and it's not abortion. It prevents fertilization, it doesn't flush an embryo. Why some uptight evangelicals get pissed that people can get reactive contraceptives at the Walmart Pharmacy (where they sell condoms, KY and the pill) is beyond me. I guess radical religion makes people kind of retarded sometimes.

Posted: 2/3/2006 5:53:57 AM EDT

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originally posted by Q3131A :
As a member of the FAR RIGHT (whatever that is); I can tell you that your premise is not correct.

You are NOT then a member of the group I am referring. Read my paragraph above. If you believe the only method of acceptable birth control is abstinance and family planning, you would be defined as such.

You are correct. I am not a member of that group. But that group should not be categorized as "far right".

Posted: 2/3/2006 5:55:52 AM EDT

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Afraid? No, they're smart enough to know (and statistics have backed this up) that absitnence programs aren't very effective....or at least they seem to not make a difference either way.

That's because abstinence isn't a PROGRAM, it's a PRACTICE.

When abstinence is adheared to, the STD and pregnancy rate is zero.

Don't want to practice abstinence? Then be prepared to deal with the possible consequences.

Don't want to get killed in a car wreck? Don't get in a car. Same principle.

How gloriously simple.

And, I mean that as an insult.

The people who fight sex education, contraceptives, the morning after pill and generally anything that involves vaginas and peni, are the ones marching around to high schools demaning abstinence PROGRAMS be taught, and these PROGRAMS do not reach young people. They work about as good as Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No". It works great on the kids who weren't going to get laid anyway....but the rest of normal teenage america is on a collision course with sexual experimentation and being blind and Victorian Age about it is fucking stupid.

I'm not a fucking nitwit, I understand if you don't fuck, you don't get preggers, but as a preventative policy to teach people, saying "don't do it" is inneffective.

Having the morning after pill easily available is preferable to unwanted children, in my opinion and it's not abortion. It prevents fertilization, it doesn't flush an embryo. Why some uptight evangelicals get pissed that people can get reactive contraceptives at the Walmart Pharmacy (where they sell condoms, KY and the pill) is beyond me. I guess radical religion makes people kind of retarded sometimes.

Your posts reek of surrenderism (if that is a word). Are you french?

ETA: Sorry, Maybe that was over the top.

Posted: 2/3/2006 6:32:46 AM EDT

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Wal*Mart Pharmacys are there to fill prescriptions and not to make moral judgments as to which legally prescribed drugs they should dispense. The mail order and chain pharmacies like Wal*Mart and CVS have put most independent pharmacys out of business. In some areas the Wal*Mart pharmacy is the only game in town.

Pharmacys are licensed by the state to dispense drugs and not to make moral judgments. Wal*Mart doesn't seem to have any problem buying billions of dollars of Chinese made goods that support the Chinese government and their forced abortion policy. Perhaps if they feel that strongly about the abortion issue they should get out of the pharmacy business.

Posted: 2/3/2006 7:29:58 AM EDT

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How gloriously simple.

And, I mean that as an insult.

Well, you're not very good at it.

The people who fight sex education, contraceptives, the morning after pill and generally anything that involves vaginas and peni, are the ones marching around to high schools demaning abstinence PROGRAMS be taught, and these PROGRAMS do not reach young people. They work about as good as Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No". It works great on the kids who weren't going to get laid anyway....but the rest of normal teenage america is on a collision course with sexual experimentation and being blind and Victorian Age about it is fucking stupid.

So you're saying we shouldn't teach it?

Gee. Maybe we shouldn't teach ANYTHING ethical at all, since it doesn't work.

I'm not a fucking nitwit, I understand if you don't fuck, you don't get preggers, but as a preventative policy to teach people, saying "don't do it" is inneffective.

So how is that MY problem? Once again, why do I have to pay for the failure of another?

They don't want to practice abstinence? FINE! DEAL WITH THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES!

Having the morning after pill easily available is preferable to unwanted children, in my opinion and it's not abortion.

Well, you're wrong.

It prevents fertilization, it doesn't flush an embryo.

Bullshit. Fertilization takes place within minutes of ejaculation, or the sperm dies. Give it 30 minutes max.

The "Morning After" pill prevents implantation, just as mentioned by PlaymoreMinds when she said it's basically the BCP.

Why some uptight evangelicals get pissed that people can get reactive contraceptives at the Walmart Pharmacy (where they sell condoms, KY and the pill) is beyond me. I guess radical religion makes people kind of retarded sometimes.

The retarded idiot here is you, as well as the one stuck up on evangelism. I have not once made an argument in this thread (or any other abortion thread) based upon my religious beliefs. Reading is fundamental; you need to practice yours.

I suggest you go back and see what I posted. I have not called for the banning of this pill, nor the elimination of the regular BCP. All I have been arguing is that the government has no fucking right to dictate to a private business what it must sell. Period. End of story.

It's idiots like you who despise anyone who believes in anything even remotely spiritual who always throw up the red herring of religion or abstinence or whatever. I'm arguing a legal point as applied to the rights of a business to operate as the owner sees fit. You're just spouting the usual bullshit.

Posted: 2/3/2006 7:34:45 AM EDT

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Wal*Mart Pharmacys are there to fill prescriptions and not to make moral judgments as to which legally prescribed drugs they should dispense.

Wrong.

They are there to make money for the owners. They are filling a demand with a supply. Period.

If the owner decides he doesn't want to carry the MAP or Vitamin C, for any reason ranging from financial to moral to the fact he doesn't like the color oif the bottle, that's his right. Period.

Pharmacys are licensed by the state to dispense drugs and not to make moral judgments.

They are licenced because the products they deal with are highly controlled, not because they can dictate the formulary.

Wal*Mart doesn't seem to have any problem buying billions of dollars of Chinese made goods that support the Chinese government and their forced abortion policy. Perhaps if they feel that strongly about the abortion issue they should get out of the pharmacy business.

Maybe they should, but it's none of your business, and definitely none of the government's. Wal-Mart is a private enterprise. It can sell what it wants, made wherever ut chooses to get it, and the market will decide.

Even if Wal-Mart is the only game in town (which I don't believe for a minute), the fact remains that if there is a demand, someone with the brains to make a buck will provide the supply, and government should be the one telling people they'll be it.

Posted: 2/3/2006 7:51:33 AM EDT

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originally posted by Q3131A :
As a member of the FAR RIGHT (whatever that is); I can tell you that your premise is not correct.

You are NOT then a member of the group I am referring. Read my paragraph above. If you believe the only method of acceptable birth control is abstinance and family planning, you would be defined as such.

You are correct. I am not a member of that group. But that group should not be categorized as "far right".

Choose whichever PC term you like then.

Posted: 2/3/2006 7:56:52 AM EDT

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Abstinence only is not education it's just avoidance. People need to know how to be safe when they do something, you can't just tell them 'don't do it'.

Would you teach your kid that the best way to avoid a gun injury is to avoid shooting guns? Or would you *gasp* tell them about the rules of gun safety and handling?

People are going to have sex, they need to be taught what is safe and what isn't. I don't think the BCP has much to do with that though, because it does nothing to protect from STDs.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:02:22 AM EDT

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Abstinence only is not education it's just avoidance. People need to know how to be safe when they do something, you can't just tell them 'don't do it'.

"Don't kill anyone"

"Don't steal"

"don't stick your fingers in the outlet."

Nope. We truly can't tell people not to do something wrong or dangerous.

Would you teach your kid that the best way to avoid a gun injury is to avoid shooting guns? Or would you *gasp* tell them about the rules of gun safety and handling?

I'd teach them about safety, of course. But I WOULDN'T then go out and say, "You know, if you REALLY want to shoot someone after I've told you not to, make sure he's wearing a vest. Here, I've bought one for you."

People are going to have sex, they need to be taught what is safe and what isn't.

And they need to be held accountable when they roll the dice and come up snake eyes.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:02:24 AM EDT

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I ask you, aren't Doctors and Hospitals etc. answerable to the Govt? Regulated BY the Govt.

Only insofar as they should be prepared to provide the services they advertise, and provide them well.

Er...Isn't that what we're fighting about?

Example: If someone is having a massive corronary, you don't take them to a foot specialist. You take them to an ER. If the ER cannot handle a corronary, it shouldn't be selling itself as an ER.

And if Walmart can't stand the heat in the Pharmeceutical Kitchen, they should get the hell out.

We're talkin about healthcare. Do you want a complete hand's off approach? That's pretty scary. As I said before, they are in the business of health care, and as such need to follow whatever guidelines are set up (I don't pretend to know them).

Some regulation is, unfortunately, necessary.
Breakthru!

I just hate cowards and liars.
In this stance, they are both.

How so?

Did they advertise that they carry the MAP, and then not do so?

They advertise that they are a FULL SERVICE PHARMACY...and they are NOT.

As for cowardice, I hardly find standing up to the state legistlature and the cows over at the NOW gang (not to mention the AFL-CIO) to be anything but cowardly.

They're not standing up to ANYBODY. It's all marketing. They're demographic people said, "Hey, you've got the right in your shopping carriages...don't sell that drug and you'll solidify those numbers."
This is not about babies.
It's about CASH
And THAT'S Cowardly (oooh let's not piss off the ones who buy our stuff!) and dishonest (but let's keep selling the BCP because those folks are too stupid to know how it works!"
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Posted: 2/3/2006 8:05:10 AM EDT

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Wow.. dangerous, wrong, comparing it to murder. I guess I can see that I'm arguing with a fanatic here.

Whatever...

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:06:58 AM EDT

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Wow.. dangerous, wrong, comparing it to murder. I guess I can see that I'm arguing with a fanatic here.

Whatever...

It's a dangerous thing. Is there a difference?

"Honey, I know I told you not to play with fire, but if you do, here's a fire extinguisher."

Yeah. THAT'S smart.

If someone using logic makes him a fanatic in your eyes, then so be it. I'm not worried.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:09:04 AM EDT

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They advertise that they are a FULL SERVICE PHARMACY...and they are NOT.

OK. I'll buy that. Reasonably speaking, that's false advertising.

Point PMM.

They're not standing up to ANYBODY. It's all marketing. They're demographic people said, "Hey, you've got the right in your shopping carriages...don't sell that drug and you'll solidify those numbers."
This is not about babies.
It's about CASH
And THAT'S Cowardly (oooh let's not piss off the ones who buy our stuff!) and dishonest (but let's keep selling the BCP because those folks are too stupid to know how it works!"
.

Sorry. I'm afraid I'm not following this one.

Do you think they're worried about losing considerable market share over this?

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:18:35 AM EDT

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I'm amazed by the furor, personally. Bottom line, this pill acts NO DIFFERENTLY than the BIRTH CONTROL PILL.

Bottom line is your wrong.

BCP manipulate hormone levels to prevent ovulation (release of an egg)

MAP prevents a fertilized egg from implantation.

Big difference.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:22:55 AM EDT

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Bottom line is your wrong.

BCP manipulate hormone levels to prevent ovulation (release of an egg)

MAP prevents a fertilized egg from implantation.

Big difference.

Sigh......

I wish we could get the basics down before the arguments started.

So who's right? I guess I'll go look. I always thought the BCP prevented implantation.

ETA: Looks like Bubba is right.

My apologies for my error, and thanks for the clarification.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:24:47 AM EDT

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I'm amazed by the furor, personally. Bottom line, this pill acts NO DIFFERENTLY than the BIRTH CONTROL PILL.

Bottom line is your wrong.

BCP manipulate hormone levels to prevent ovulation (release of an egg)

MAP prevents a fertilized egg from implantation.

Big difference.

Oh Bubba...YOU are not totally right. You see, the reason the BCP is so effective is because it not only prevents egg release...it has a back up plan: When it fails in that regard (and it DOES) it makes the uterus uninhabitable for the fertilized egg to attach itself to.
What does that mean?
It means the BCP acts JUST LIKE THIS PILL.
Don't believe me? Ask Ardoc or DrJarhead...this board's female-docs.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:27:20 AM EDT

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Don't come talking that science, it's eeey-vuuuhhllll!!

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:27:33 AM EDT

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They advertise that they are a FULL SERVICE PHARMACY...and they are NOT.

So what? Advertising you are a full service pharmacy does not mean you are advertising that you sell every medicine known to man. They provide every service typically performed by a pharmacy, including filling prescriptions of drugs they stock.

BTW, Mass. law requires emergency rooms to keep this drug in stock, which is where a rape victim should go, so the rape argument is specious.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:29:51 AM EDT

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Okay, well.....

This thread is now veering all over the highway, so I'm going to answer the original question one last time then bow out. It will be interesting to see if a new thread pops up concerning the MAP vs. the BCP (strictly on the basis of function, PLEASE!), but I'm done.

Question: Should the government mandate what drugs are carried by a private pharmacy?

Answer: NO.

Zaphod, out.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:33:21 AM EDT

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Okay, well.....

This thread is now veering all over the highway, so I'm going to answer the original question one last time then bow out. It will be interesting to see if a new thread pops up concerning the MAP vs. the BCP (strictly on the basis of function, PLEASE!), but I'm done.

Question: Should the government mandate what drugs are carried by a private pharmacy?

Answer: NO.

Zaphod, out.

Agreed...But I feel the need to edumicate da masses...SO:
one of a kabillion links

If you're too lazy to click, here ya go:
Most birth control pills are "combination pills" containing a combination of the hormones estrogen and progesterone to prevent ovulation (the release of an egg during the monthly cycle). A woman cannot get pregnant if she doesn't ovulate because there is no egg to be fertilized. The Pill also works by thickening the mucus around the cervix, which makes it difficult for sperm to enter the uterus and reach any eggs that may have been released. The hormones in the Pill can also sometimes affect the lining of the uterus, making it difficult for an egg to attach to the wall of the uterus.

So Walmart...STOP SELLING THE PILL TOO (and throw vIAGRA IN FOR GOOD MEASURE) OR GROW A PAIR.
PMM out.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:42:41 AM EDT

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Okay, well.....

This thread is now veering all over the highway, so I'm going to answer the original question one last time then bow out. It will be interesting to see if a new thread pops up concerning the MAP vs. the BCP (strictly on the basis of function, PLEASE!), but I'm done.

Question: Should the government mandate what drugs are carried by a private pharmacy?

Answer: NO.

Zaphod, out.

Agreed...But I feel the need to edumicate da masses...SO:
one of a kabillion links

If you're too lazy to click, here ya go:
Most birth control pills are "combination pills" containing a combination of the hormones estrogen and progesterone to prevent ovulation (the release of an egg during the monthly cycle). A woman cannot get pregnant if she doesn't ovulate because there is no egg to be fertilized. The Pill also works by thickening the mucus around the cervix, which makes it difficult for sperm to enter the uterus and reach any eggs that may have been released. The hormones in the Pill can also sometimes affect the lining of the uterus, making it difficult for an egg to attach to the wall of the uterus.

So Walmart...STOP SELLING THE PILL TOO (and throw vIAGRA IN FOR GOOD MEASURE) OR GROW A PAIR.
PMM out.

I agree. Wal-Mart should stop selling the pill. (You weren't being sarcastic, were you?)
It's funny you admit that the pill is sometimes abortive because for years it was impossible to get advocates of the pill to admit this.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:49:44 AM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
Hey, I’ve got a Constitutional right to own firearms. But Target refuses to even carry shooting supplies, much less actual firearms.

Lets all sue target for not carrying guns. Same principle, isn’t it?

Dang hippies. A private business ought to be able to sell or not sell whatever product it feels like. If someone won’t sell firearms on moral grounds that’s their right, just like it’s the right of a business not to sell baby killing supplies for moral reasons.

A pretty good analogy. A liberal would surely just sputter and attack it saying, "surely you're not equating the pharmaceutical industry to the firearms industry?" and think they've made a good argument in that "guns kill" and "pharmacueticals save". There's a lot more cases of drug makers being sued for defective products that kill than gun makers.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:55:33 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
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Nah...let's just put it right next to Viagra.

THAT would be more fitting, no?

I don't care if a pharmacy chooses not to carry Viagra, either. Their call.

There's plenty of radio ads that tell you you can get it prescribed over the phone and delivered via the mail (not that I've tried or know ANYTHING about this)

. Maybe the "morning after" pill should improve their marketing.......

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:57:04 AM EDT

[#42]

Quoted: Wal-Mart spokeswoman Sarah Clark says Wal-Mart doesn't stock the morning after pill for "business reasons," but she declined to elaborate.

Wal-Mart doesn't want to be sued by sluts, crackwhores and welfare moms when the pills don't work.

I wouldn't stock abortion pills in my pharmacy because I don't want that kind of trash scaring away the "bread and butter" customers.

Posted: 2/3/2006 8:58:43 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Wal Mart doesn't carry porn vids/mags. Sue.

9 times out of 10 they're out of .223. Sue.

Refuse to carry a 7 bone pot roast. Sue.

blahblahblah.

Better yet, sue them for carrying peanuts in bulk which can cause anaphylactic shock in SOME people. I wonder if they have to post a warning....or do people just have to avoid peanut vendors at the ball games.

Posted: 2/3/2006 9:16:19 AM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
Quoted:
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Okay, well.....

This thread is now veering all over the highway, so I'm going to answer the original question one last time then bow out. It will be interesting to see if a new thread pops up concerning the MAP vs. the BCP (strictly on the basis of function, PLEASE!), but I'm done.

Question: Should the government mandate what drugs are carried by a private pharmacy?

Answer: NO.

Zaphod, out.

Agreed...But I feel the need to edumicate da masses...SO:
one of a kabillion links

If you're too lazy to click, here ya go:
Most birth control pills are "combination pills" containing a combination of the hormones estrogen and progesterone to prevent ovulation (the release of an egg during the monthly cycle). A woman cannot get pregnant if she doesn't ovulate because there is no egg to be fertilized. The Pill also works by thickening the mucus around the cervix, which makes it difficult for sperm to enter the uterus and reach any eggs that may have been released. The hormones in the Pill can also sometimes affect the lining of the uterus, making it difficult for an egg to attach to the wall of the uterus.

So Walmart...STOP SELLING THE PILL TOO (and throw vIAGRA IN FOR GOOD MEASURE) OR GROW A PAIR.
PMM out.

I agree. Wal-Mart should stop selling the pill. (You weren't being sarcastic, were you?)
It's funny you admit that the pill is sometimes abortive because for years it was impossible to get advocates of the pill to admit this.

ADMIT???
Um...There's nothing to admit.
I've done nothing wrong. And neither has the pill, according to our laws. If you're one of those folks who wants all methods of hormonal birth control banned (the pill and norplant and the patch all work the same, folks) the ones whom I call the "Far Right" Say hello to Q313 over there....

ETA: I WAS being sarcastic...It's all I know.

Sorry.

Posted: 2/3/2006 9:28:14 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
Irrespective of my position on abortion, if Wal-Mart (a private company) decides it doesn't want to stock a product, then the ladies in question, the NOW gang, and the MA legislature can all go finger-fuck each other behind the dumpster.

Besides, the ladies can go get their responsibility-purger-in-a-bottle at any number of other places, so it's not like they're having their precious "right" to off their child infringed upon.

Besides, WTF are these liberal idiots doing shopping at Wal-Mart? I thought Wal-Mart was the focus of evil in the modern world, second only to the military and George Bush?

Well said!

BigDozer66

Posted: 2/3/2006 9:32:49 AM EDT

[#46]

Threads like this are always good at bringing out the true jackasses.

Abstinence IS taught in schools, BTW. Ways of having safe sex are too. It wasn't long ago that I took health class in high school, so I know this. Things might have changed a bit since some of you older folks were in school.

It's plain to see that simply telling someone "don't have sex" isn't going to be very effective. C'mon, how many of us can honestly say we never did something that we weren't supposed to at some point in our lives? I sure as hell can't. If anyone thinks that telling their children not to have sex is going to do anything, then they need to open up their eyes. The best you can do is show them the safest ways to do it because believe it or not, they're going to do it either way if they want to. Would you rather have them do it A) unprotected - a good chance of disease or unwanted pregnancy or B) safely - reduce the chance of disease and unwanted pregnancy? Who the hell am I kidding, most here would probably prefer that 10 people end up with gonnorhea and kids than have safe, consentual sex. "Morals" have to be abided by after all...

Shit happens and the means of dealing with it the most effectively should be available.

Posted: 2/3/2006 9:36:07 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
Quoted: Wal-Mart spokeswoman Sarah Clark says Wal-Mart doesn't stock the morning after pill for "business reasons," but she declined to elaborate.
Wal-Mart doesn't want to be sued by sluts, crackwhores and welfare moms when the pills don't work. I wouldn't stock abortion pills in my pharmacy because I don't want that kind of trash scaring away the "bread and butter" customers.

Condoms do break from time to time, so there are more than just "sluts, crackwhores and welfare moms" using morning after pills.

Posted: 2/3/2006 9:54:26 AM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
Threads like this are always good at bringing out the true jackasses.

Abstinence IS taught in schools, BTW. Ways of having safe sex are too. It wasn't long ago that I took health class in high school, so I know this. Things might have changed a bit since some of you older folks were in school.

It's plain to see that simply telling someone "don't have sex" isn't going to be very effective. C'mon, how many of us can honestly say we never did something that we weren't supposed to at some point in our lives? I sure as hell can't. If anyone thinks that telling their children not to have sex is going to do anything, then they need to open up their eyes. The best you can do is show them the safest ways to do it because believe it or not, they're going to do it either way if they want to. Would you rather have them do it A) unprotected - a good chance of disease or unwanted pregnancy or B) safely - reduce the chance of disease and unwanted pregnancy? Who the hell am I kidding, most here would probably prefer that 10 people end up with gonnorhea and kids than have safe, consentual sex. "Morals" have to be abided by after all...

Shit happens and the means of dealing with it the most effectively should be available.

Up to your comment in red, you were not what you complained about. Keep your broadbrush hidden away for a better time (likely never). "Morals" have a place in society. Cheating on exams, diddling little kids....you get the drift, it doesn't have to have a law to back it up. Morals are not absolute guarantees but they deter and to just mock them is ignorance. What "morals" will you be passing on?

Posted: 2/3/2006 10:02:05 AM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Threads like this are always good at bringing out the true jackasses.

Abstinence IS taught in schools, BTW. Ways of having safe sex are too. It wasn't long ago that I took health class in high school, so I know this. Things might have changed a bit since some of you older folks were in school.

It's plain to see that simply telling someone "don't have sex" isn't going to be very effective. C'mon, how many of us can honestly say we never did something that we weren't supposed to at some point in our lives? I sure as hell can't. If anyone thinks that telling their children not to have sex is going to do anything, then they need to open up their eyes. The best you can do is show them the safest ways to do it because believe it or not, they're going to do it either way if they want to. Would you rather have them do it A) unprotected - a good chance of disease or unwanted pregnancy or B) safely - reduce the chance of disease and unwanted pregnancy? Who the hell am I kidding, most here would probably prefer that 10 people end up with gonnorhea and kids than have safe, consentual sex. "Morals" have to be abided by after all...

Shit happens and the means of dealing with it the most effectively should be available.

Up to your comment in red, you were not what you complained about. Keep your broadbrush hidden away for a better time (likely never). "Morals" have a place in society. Cheating on exams, diddling little kids....you get the drift, it doesn't have to have a law to back it up. Morals are not absolute guarantees but they deter and to just mock them is ignorance. What "morals" will you be passing on?

I for one wont be forcing my morals on anyone else for as long as it doesn't effect me. Like it or not, someone's choice to take birth control or any other type of contraceptive harms no one. Cheating and diddling little kids clearly does harm to others. Using birth control doesn't. Apples. Oranges.

As for my broadbrush...I wasn't referring to everyone in this thread. Only those who assume that everyone who uses contraception is a whore and that women who have been raped should have to shop around for a place that sells what they need.

Posted: 2/3/2006 10:17:20 AM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Threads like this are always good at bringing out the true jackasses.

Abstinence IS taught in schools, BTW. Ways of having safe sex are too. It wasn't long ago that I took health class in high school, so I know this. Things might have changed a bit since some of you older folks were in school.

It's plain to see that simply telling someone "don't have sex" isn't going to be very effective. C'mon, how many of us can honestly say we never did something that we weren't supposed to at some point in our lives? I sure as hell can't. If anyone thinks that telling their children not to have sex is going to do anything, then they need to open up their eyes. The best you can do is show them the safest ways to do it because believe it or not, they're going to do it either way if they want to. Would you rather have them do it A) unprotected - a good chance of disease or unwanted pregnancy or B) safely - reduce the chance of disease and unwanted pregnancy? Who the hell am I kidding, most here would probably prefer that 10 people end up with gonnorhea and kids than have safe, consentual sex. "Morals" have to be abided by after all...

Shit happens and the means of dealing with it the most effectively should be available.

Up to your comment in red, you were not what you complained about. Keep your broadbrush hidden away for a better time (likely never). "Morals" have a place in society. Cheating on exams, diddling little kids....you get the drift, it doesn't have to have a law to back it up. Morals are not absolute guarantees but they deter and to just mock them is ignorance. What "morals" will you be passing on?

I for one wont be forcing my morals on anyone else for as long as it doesn't effect me. Like it or not, someone's choice to take birth control or any other type of contraceptive harms no one. Cheating and diddling little kids clearly does harm to others. Using birth control doesn't. Apples. Oranges.

As for my broadbrush...I wasn't referring to everyone in this thread. Only those who assume that everyone who uses contraception is a whore and that women who have been raped should have to shop around for a place that sells what they need.

Fair enough answer except "most of the people" is a broad brush. I don't think "forcing" morals is a good idea but "passing them on" (my words) through your actions or conversations is fine. Aren't women who've been raped likely to go to a hospital? After all they're open 24 hours. That ain't shoppin', that's common sense. Requiring a pharmacy to carry a specific drug is legislating a point of view and interfering in the free market place. That would be forcing a morality on them.

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