And it makes the right-wing look more and more like racist witchhunters.

Obviously I don't think that, but it's what the MSM portrays is as.  

I understand everyone here hates the lowest common denominator bullshit.  However, you have to understand the political implications of the strong-leaning right wing being portrayed as loons, and the Tea party being tied in.  Especially when the media is showing this to a population that, in large part, cannot think for themselves.

I don't think birth certificates list religion.

His name is Barry Soetoro.

no, he'd wear that as a badge of honor. since he's obviously mixed race he'd just say "those racist crackas wuz trying to keep a black man down by claiming I was white" or some shit like that

I don't think we should be concerned with what they say about us. THEY are the bigots, projecting bigotry on those they hate. I say to the Obamamaniacs: show me where your leader was born, where is your shrine?

There's no need to be concerned with the image of your political group to other people...


...unless you plan on winning an election sometime.

You have an extremely valid point. I think the issue of Zero having been seated to the office of POTUS, while being ineligible to serve, might overshadow the race card on this deal howver. Think about it. Something like 50% of the public want jug ears to produce his BC. A simple phone call would remedy this entire situation. The man has proclaimed his administration to be open and transparent; all while being probably the most secretive administration ever. Its pretty much a given his next POTUS opponent is going to be waving his BC around like the campaign banner it will be.



"However, you have to understand the political implications of the
strong-leaning right wing being portrayed as loons, and the Tea party
being tied in."



So how is getting the POTUS to put up or shut up, racist or loony, when half the public wants to see a simple document that millions of us have and use to acquire government services and documents? The small matter that several states are going to require prove of birth for the 2012 POTUS election is going to have to be dealt with. Its also going to be very hard for some liberal judge to rule such a law unconstitutional, vague or some other made up bullshit. Especially without putting an appeal on the fast track to SCOTUS. Zero doesn't quite own SCOTUS, yet.



All the naysayers of this whole deal that point to the logic of letting your enemy make mistakes, a grand strategy to eliminate the viability of the right, etc. have lost sight of the simple fact that when American politicians start trying to hide things, and running the smoke and mirrors argument, its because they have something to hide.



This really boils down to the DNC not properly vetting their candidate. In some ways its hard to fault them. They have become used to dealing with and running candidates who are liars and reprobates. They just have never had to deal with such a monumental liar and bought all the bullshit Zero was serving. I mean, come on, he wrote TWO books about himself and how great he is. In the light of that why would you even begin to look at anything resembling the bit of truth that is lying around in the open.





 

yes sureree Bob, that's exactly what the History channel is going to state "President Obama's  administration was the most open and transparent in history"





 

There's a lot of smoke in this smokescreen...maybe there's a fire there somewhere?

Mother is probably listed as a Jackal. Just kidding...not serious.

is there a legal way they can force hawaii to show his birth certificate? and if they don't show it befor his term is up, impeach him and disregard all of his actions as a president? im not into politics that much so i don't know jack really

People with nothing to hide don't spend millions of dollars hiding "it".

This might make O's reelection bid a bit problematic as several states are looking at the requirement of having canidates produce a birth certificate prior to getting on the ballot.

This situation will be spun until O is the fall guy for everything that has gone wrong for the dems so far and that will be all the excuse needed to keep him out of it.  This way he won't have to produce anything... Hillary will be the next nominee for the jackass party, and she will run no matter what she has claimed in the past.  After all, she comes from a family of professional liars...

The O show is a one termer and he knows it.  No wonder he is living it up in the first term.

Fixed it. They're grooming Gillibrand for something. Possibly VP position in 2012

I was for gun rights before I was against them Gillibrand?  I don't see it.

thats one thing i've noticed with politics, everyones points the finger at someone else, im starting to think no one dems or reps wants to take credit for anything unless it works, or atleast half-ass works and if it failes it's " the other sides fault ", be a fucking man/woman and fess up if you fuck up

seems like everyone ( dems and reps ) after a period of time turned into stupid whiny bitchs that have nothing better to do then collect a pay check and bitch about othere side and accomplish absolutly nothing besides bending us over fucking us every chance they get.

A politician not living up to his campaign promises means that everything he ever said is a lie.  Good to know.  Glad I can't trust any politician who has ever been elected to office.

Show evidence that Obama has spent millions of dollars to hide his birth certificate.

Edit: I'll make this easy.  Obama has spent millions on lawyers.  The reason for this is that running for President requires a lot of paperwork and legal headaches.  Campaign money needs to be managed separate from personal money, resources need to be tracked, all kinds of things go on behind the scenes.  Bush spent almost half a million on lawyers for his re-election campaign.  The reason he didn't have to spend as much is because he was able to reuse a lot of things from his 2000 campaign.  

Obama doesn't need to hide his birth certificate.  Hawaiian law protects it for him.  The same goes for school records.

Why would they form a committee for something they weren't concerned about (name a republican of consequence in 2008 who was freaking out about this)? I know you think you represent a majority of the population's concern, but in reality birthers are in step with the usual irrelevant 15-20% of people in America who don the tin hat, be it 911 troofers, people who think Clinton killed Vince Foster, JFK nuts, fluoridation freaks, autism in the vaccines people and the David Icke/NWO crew. They scream loud and they scream impotently.

I think this very long running conspiracy in which the radical left has labored for decades to get Barack Obama elected so he could steal our freedom is finally coming unraveled.



I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see key "suicides" at various levels of government as a last ditch effort to protect the secrets.  In fact, I wonder if even the "Kenya" rumor wasn't concocted as a throw-away distraction from the real truth that he was born in Cuba as an operative of Fidel Castro.  Think about it - why did Castro finally step down _just_ as Obama was coming to power?  It doesn't make any sense!



But even if that's crazy, I bet it will come out that a Soros funded operation was undertaken as long as a decade ago to start the ball rolling on getting Obama elected.  I mean imagine the laugh he and his Bilderberg buddies must have at sneaking a Kenyan into the office of President of the US.

I bet shorting the pound was part of this scheme as well.  He didn't actually make any money, since it was all sent to his puppet masters, so he must have had some other ulterior motive.

I know that you "Obama believers" want to change the subject but for the fifth time here it is;
But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.

And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.
THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS NOT IN THE ARCHIVES OF THE HAWAIIAN HEALTH DEPARTMENT.  THERE IS A NOTATION IN THE LEDGER THAT INDEED HE HAS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE BUT THE ACTUAL LONG FORM IS NOT THERE.

So basically you have an assumption that there isn't a birth certificate? No wonder you guys have lost several hundred lawsuits, some even in the conservative supreme court that Obama has snubbed many times.


Again, until republicans in the house and senate make noise about this, nothing will happen. Going by the impressive "I've got gas" expression conservative lawmakers make when somebody pops these questions at townhalls and the expert dodge they make that isn't happening.

To my knowledge, a long-form hospital generated birth certificate is not legal proof of birth.  It is a hospital record, not a legal state document.  The absence of the long-form does not mean that Obama was not born in Hawaii, nor does it mean that the state of Hawaii will not recognize that he was born there.  Tell me, does Hawaii keep every single hospital long-form in storage?  Are there any other records missing from that decade?

The quote in red is what the governor of Hawaii said. It's not an assumption, it's fact. The governor went to "get to the bottom of the controversy" and did NOT find obamas long form "ORININAL" on file. Every other human that was born in Hawaii has a birth certificate in the archive. Obamas was not there, not my words these are the words of the governor of Hawaii.

You know this for certain, or you're speculating because you want it to be true?

Read this
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

Twins born around the time Obama was were able to get copies of their hospital birth form.  What was that supposed to prove?  It doesn't answer the question of whether everyone's hospital form is stored by the state or not.

Come on guy,... Damn right I want this whole thing to be true.  Why wouldn't everybody else have theirs in the archives if they were born in that state? Is there something I'm missing here? You "believers" want it to be true that he was in fact born in Hawaii however, the evidence to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt is missing. The birth certificate isn't in the archive. Only a note in a ledger that it is there.

The thing you're missing is that the hospital form is generated by the hospital and is not a state document.  To my knowledge the state has no need to store them.  Once they've been seen and used to generate an actual legal state-issued birth certificate, they are worthless, legally speaking.

Thank god. Now it can die. This BC thing is a loser all the way around. it will not work out well to keep pursuing it.

So it was recognized even at birth that Obama was so special that the powers that be placed his birth certificate in a special location so that in 2011 they could tease republicans with the whereabouts of it so they could make people that question the existence of the birth certificate look like loons?
I'd say you "obama believers" are getting desperate.

Those where trotted out ages ago and nobody but the tinfoil crowd made noise. Again, explain the complete lack of attention from conservative heavy-hitters on this issue if this evidence is so solid? Darrell Issa has already said he wont bother with it, Boehner said the COLB is good enough for him, Beck hits the nail on the head and says this is pretty much an example of political trolling. Hell, explain why the Republican Governor of Hawaii would cover for a democrat like Obama?

That's quite the silly strawman you've constructed.

this,in 61,he would have been listed as white since his mother was white

This is a completely valid argument with evidence based on similar practices of the time period.  I have no trouble accepting this as a possible explanation.

yea he,s a radical 60,s liberal.that point was made on rush,s show.

Moot point. He renounced his US citizenship to attend public school in Indonesia and get an Indonesian passport. He isn't a citizen either way.

Not true.  Minors can not voluntarily renounce citizenship.

Link



A small child is not going to meet those requirements.  Additionally, gaining citizenship in another country does not automatically remove your citizenship, regardless of what that country's laws are.

He did?  So you can show the documents he signed (oh wait, he was a minor), and you know where he signed them?

You don't know shit.

He traveled on the passport in 1981. That is coming from his own book.

Everyone knows his mother was white. Why would he put so much effort into hiding a birth certificate that states he's white? This is the most silly of all the "Obama believers" cover up stories. The birth certificate was not in the archive. What is so hard to believe about this? A democrat governor of hawaii has brought this fact to the table and the "o believers" in this thread are in total denial.

In his book he stated that he traveled to Pakistan.  If I recall correctly, he did not state that he traveled on an Indonesian passport.  If you believe this to be incorrect, please provide the passage from his book where he states exactly what passport he uses.

It's irrelevant anyway, because gaining Indonesian citizenship would not remove his American citizenship.

None of that means he renounced anything, even if it were true.  I highly doubt you've read his book, I don't know anyone who has.  I suspect you're just quoting some truther website.

There's literally NO evidence he was born somewhere other than Hawaii, right?

What effort has he put into 'hiding' this?  All he has to do is allow the state of Hawaii to protect his private information just as they protect everyone else's.  No effort required.

There's that photoshopped Kenyan birth certificate.  

The Nationality Act of 1940, revised 1952, Section 318(a)  “A former citizen of the United States expatriated through the expatriation of such person’s parent or parents and who has not acquired the nationality of another country by any affirmative act other than the expatriation of his parent or parents may be naturalized upon filing a petition for naturalization before reaching age of twenty-five years and upon compliance with all requirements of the naturalization laws with the following exceptions:  (b) No former citizen of the United States, expatriated through the expatriation of such person’s parent or parents shall be obliged to comply with the requirements of the immigration laws, if he has not not acquired the nationality of another country by any affirmative act other than the expatriation of his parent or parents, and if he has come or shall come to the United States before reaching the age of twenty-five years.  (c) After his naturalization such person shall have the same citizenship status as if he had not been expatriated.”

So when was he naturalized then?