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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:41:16 AM EDT
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Hows this for tin-foil stories: www.rense.com/general20/innocentmanshot.htm ....is that "real" enough for you? |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:41:49 AM EDT
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I got pulled over one time and the cop asked why I was speeding and I told him that I had the flu and was having to frequent the crapper. He said, "be on your way but slow it down a little."
tag to see how your thing works out. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:42:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:44:50 AM EDT
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+1 this is what kept me out of jail when I was in collge. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:47:07 AM EDT
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Why give the police a break if they mess up on a ticket? It is their job. They know how it is supposed to be done. If they didn't cut you a break by giving a warning, why give them a break if you find an out. (assuming they didn't find a dozen prior warnings on your record) Besides, how many people here truely believe speeding tickets cut crime as much as if the same officer was put to better use? Honest to god, my local government is working on building a new police station. (City of Davenport) The police are protesting the proposed parking lot, because it would require them to walk through a "bad" part of the city. Seems to me that if they know where the "bad" parts of town are, speeding tickets should be suspended until they are cleaned up. Cops trolling for speeders is a cat-and-mouse game anyway. Well, it used to be. Now cities are installing "red light" cameras, and "speeding" cameras. Punnishment without due process. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:48:28 AM EDT
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Please define "drive the speed limit". Does that mean never exceeding the speed limit EVER, not even by 1 MPH? Because once you exceed the speed limit, even by a fraction of a mile per hour, you are in violation of the law. What percent of drivers in the USA each day, exceed the speed limit in their cars while they are driving? I'd bet it's pretty darn close to 100%? So....does everyone deserve a speeding ticket each time they exceed the speed limit? |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:49:51 AM EDT
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Tried that one. Officer pointed to the gas station and said "I'll wait". And he did. $75 ticket for passing in a no-passing zone. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:51:29 AM EDT
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Why don't you write yourself a ticket when you catch yourself speeding? If you're out of you're jurisdiction when you speed, you should be turning yourself in to local law enforcement. 
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:53:36 AM EDT
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i really had the shits, did you? |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:54:36 AM EDT
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How exactly is it a fantasy if it's real? LEOs call it common courtesy and in addition to the real life example of my brother it's been mentioned by LEOs on this site repeatedly. My brother was a quick temped, hot head, I'm doing things my way, asshole while growing up and in the Army. He used his military ID to get out of many tickets. Then he became a LEO, he lost the temper but kept the attitude. He has since used being an LEO to get out of tickets. For the first several months after he started he was instructed but not certified to operate the radar gun in his truck...that didn't stop him from writting ticket after ticket. The people he gave tickets to didn't know that but had they gone to court they would have gotten their tickets dismissed. Awhile later he said the certification on the radar gun had expired but they were too busy to take it in...still didn't stop him from writting tickets. So how is making the police prove they are accurate and honest "manipulating the system"? Just because things are done a certain way in your department doesn't mean it's done that way everywhere. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:59:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:00:35 AM EDT
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what was the outcome??? prosecution? or what. found it grand jury failed to indite. still facing a 10 mil dollar lawsuit. grand jury of citizens not leos . |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:00:46 AM EDT
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tag for when i have time.
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:00:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:01:17 AM EDT
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You actually think the .gov is concerned with spending too much money? 
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:17:59 AM EDT
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Who has got time to do all that stuff? It’s a freaking speeding ticket for God’s sake – you f’d up, got caught, be a man and pay the piper. Don’t you guys have a Ticket Defense Team where you live? You pay the fine to the lawyer and he goes to court for you – no points, no insurance increase. The traffic courts don’t have time for some wannabe Lionel Hutz messing up their docket.
And yes, to avoid a ticket – SLOW DOWN. Before anyone asks – No, I do not speed (other than the 4-6 MPH grace most departments give you). I leave on time for my appointments so I have no need to drive like a maniac. Yes, I am the guy driving the speed limit that you are tailgating and pissed off at because you couldn’t get your lazy ass out of bed and are late for work – again! My last speeding ticket was in 1986 – when I was young and dumb. Plus Speeding decreases your mileage by 33% on the highway and 5% around the city. For each 5 mph you drive over 60 mph is like paying an additional $0.21 per gallon for gas.  Driving More Efficiently |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:22:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:27:27 AM EDT
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There should be a log to record the tuning fork results done every shift. If you don't have a log, you can't prove you've done the work. The PD I used to ride-a-long with in high school had a log book with each gun. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:32:47 AM EDT
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I never said I was driving in the left lane like that. That would be suicide in Florida with the crazy drivers here. They are trying to get that law passed here in Florida which is great. I drive a lot on the Florida Turnpike (The Ronald Reagan Turnpike, I might add) and I say 50% drive faster and 50% drive slower than me. My supercharger gets me around slower driver's just fine so I do not need to hang out in the left lane waiting for some ya-hoo to run up my ass. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:32:50 AM EDT
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But then why does the state (at least TX) make it so difficult to do so? I got popped for one that wasn't mine (officer pulled me over instead of the dude who sped *around me* on the shoulder to run a red light). When I went to the place where you take care of your tickets, I was introduced to a mile-long (OK, so maybe not quite a mile.....) line. After waiting in line for over an hour and a half, I finally got to the window. "Yes ma'am, I would like to challenge this ticket, can ---" "You'll need to go wait in that line over there."  Didn't have another hour and a half, so I took it in the ass and paid the man. 
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:33:09 AM EDT
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i quit speeding (mostly) after i got a ticket in january. i realize that it makes little to no difference in the time you get there- maybe minutes. and it just ups the stress level- something i don't think anybody needs anymore these days. i just take a deep breath and cruise along in the right lane- with nothing to worry about.
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:34:55 AM EDT
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Please explain speed traps, then. I know that, like you've already mentioned, "not every jurisdiction," but what gives here? |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:38:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:38:37 AM EDT
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 I'm not talkin about driving like an idiot through traffic, but if it's 3 am, and you've got a flat stretch of straight interstate in a rural area with zero traffic what's wrong with seein what a car will do? I mean if I get stopped doing 120 or so, and get ticketed I'm not gonna bitch. My insurance agent might shoot me, but that's a little different. I'm talkin about running 80 or 85 WITH the flow of traffic in a 70 mph zone. You should NOT get a ticket for that. Around here you don't actually so I don't know what the hell I'm babbling about.
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:40:09 AM EDT
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'round here a speed trap is(we have a lot of them) a sudden drop in speed limit(like 55 to 30 with the 30 sign right after the crest of a hill, and a good spot for a cop to sit and them give people tickets for it. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:44:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:44:57 AM EDT
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Probably like the city cops here who camp out where the speed limit decreases from 55 to 45 to 35 in a very short distance while coming up and over a hill or the other spot around a curve with a tree that partially blocks the 35 mph sign until you are right on top of it. They let locals go, I've been pulled over in these locations several times and when they find out I'm a county resident they just wave you on. They just cite out of town people because it is harder for them to return back to challenge it, they just pay the fine. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:45:35 AM EDT
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That doesn't always work, especially near the end of the month. I've been with too many friends, family members, and coworkers that have received bogus tickets to know that's not true.z |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:47:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:47:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:48:01 AM EDT
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Thanks for looking; I was wondering the same thing myself. Could you provide the link, as I'm interested in the particulars? Thanks in advance. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:48:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:51:44 AM EDT
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Take a cruise up US-301 through Waldo or Lawtey, Florida at 1 MPH over the speed limit and you'll find out what a real speed trap is. AAA doesn't even route their members through there if you get a TripTik from them and have paid for billboards at either end to warn motorists. Tiny towns speed trap capitals of Florida |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:55:31 AM EDT
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+1. I'm surprised a cop hasn't chimed in on that one and said, "I don't have a quota, I can write as many tickets as I want." Which is the standard reply to some asshat making that statement after getting pulled over at the end of the month. ETA: OMG... you used the "C" word when talking about us versus them. Better get your flamesuit on Dusty. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 9:56:01 AM EDT
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IIRC, Refugio, Texas (just to give an example), has a bridge just south of town. The approach to the bridge (the highway) is 70MPH(day)/65MPH(night). The bridge itself is very short, and is on a curve. In less than ¼ of a mile, the speed limit goes from 70, to 60, to 45, to 35. There are always radar gunners camped out there. If you're a local (or someone from a few counties over, like me), you slow down for it. If you're from out of town, and don't happen to "luck out" and see all the signs (yes, I know citizens have an affirmative duty to see and obey traffic signs), they get popped. Just about every time I pass by there, there's someone pulled over. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:03:59 AM EDT
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www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/640137/posts |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:05:30 AM EDT
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Speaking as a retired LEO, and as the son of a retired LEO, let me tell you that not all departments are honest...This is NOT a cop-bashing reply by any means and MOST cops are straight-up, but there are enough bad ones to cast a shadow over the rest. Most pro-LEO comments I have read here are obviously from metropolitan or at least urban/suburban encounters. Rural and small town LEO's can be very dangerous and as the economy worsens the incidents just go higher.
Take for example Roland, OK. This is a town with a population of about 3000, a total size of less than 3 sq/miles, and is located about 2 miles north of I-40 just west of the OK/AR state line. They have to drive almost 2 miles just to get to I-40 so that they can write tickets on an interstate highway that does not even go through their town. They have a town budget that is over 75% dependant upon traffic citations. If you think you're going to get a warning in Roland, you are in for a rude surprise and speaking again as a former LEO let me assure you that most of their "officers" belong on the OTHER side of the bars. They wrote over $2million in traffic citations last year on I-40 where their jurisdiction is questionable at best. (AND YES, they are currently under investigation by the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation for illegal practices.) As far as getting out of tickets because one might be a LEO, that can often work against you. My dad is 68 years old and just got his first traffic ticket last year. When he showed the officer his retired commission card and said that he was a retired cop, the cop writing the ticket just sneered "so you're a retired cop, well then you should have known better..." If you have EVER ridden in a car with my dad, you would know that he is INCAPABLE of speeding 
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:07:33 AM EDT
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Pay the fine and be done with it ... and slow down.
Training records, device calibration, and here in California - certification of the proper speed limit for the road is common. I've never been awarded a speeding ticket in California but understand that all these things are common loopholes and are very well plugged. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:09:26 AM EDT
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I shouldn't talk to much about this subject though. My grandfather was on the Little Rock PD for 39 years and we have a pretty rare last name. It's got me out of a few 
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:18:49 AM EDT
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No he is just fine. You must be off your meds. Those JBTs shot a kid in the face w/ an AR because they thought he looked like a bank robber. One piglet yells show me your hands the other says get out of the car. So he goes to take off his seat belt and shot in the face. -Dan. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:21:35 AM EDT
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it actually pisses me off when people get out of a ticket when they're pulled over for going over twice the limite, and i get a ticket for 10 over. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:22:32 AM EDT
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On top of that, I've heard a lot of cops say if you tell them an excuse they've never heard before, then they'll let you go. I have tried both of these tactics...local cops are good to go usually around here...not the pricks that the State police are. Our county is lucky to have several that are known throughout the state as zealous to write as many as they can. ETA: Even though you may do 4-6 mph over the LIMIT that you think the police allow...you are STILL breaking the law. Its just a matter to what degree. Its the upper limit..not a limit with a +/- built in. So if you exceed the limit or do less than the limit on the interstate..you are in violation and should be ticketed and lumped in with the rest of the world. Welcome to the LAW. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:23:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:28:05 AM EDT
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True 
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:30:30 AM EDT
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traffic ain't the same as "real" court. unless you have some pretty MAJOR evidence you weren't speeding you not getting out of it. suck it up and just consider it your turn to pay the road tax, then learn to slow down.
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:31:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:37:36 AM EDT
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My brother worked at a pizza joint a few years ago. He got off work and had a few extra pies in the back.
He's speeding a bit. Cop smells it and asks, "You got any extra pie?" My brother says "sure, officer"... and hands him a pizza. Cop lets him off with a warning. That's a 100% success rate folks. Being nice to the officer has worked about 35% in my case. Moral of the story: Never leave home without hot pie. |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:37:49 AM EDT
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Drive the speed the majority of the people are driving.
Or if you are being chased to pull over, slam nto the side of the road and start screaming " BEES! OMG BEES! AAAAAGGHHHHHH!!!!" |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:39:42 AM EDT
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Dusty,
While not proposing to speak for him, the way I read his comment was that we are *all* in violation of the letter of the law for even going one mile over the limit. True, in states that recognize "the flow of traffic" as something that shouldn't be impeded, the "impeder" would ALSO be in violation of the letter of the law, but the impeder's violation doesn't absolve "the rest of us" (  ) of our respective violation(s).Me, personally, I think that the "Thou shalt not impede the flow of traffic" doctrine should be the supreme law of the
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:39:59 AM EDT
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