I will OK it as soon as they serial number:

ALL Knives

Baseball bat

Sharp Sticks

Rocks.

Lets just number and register everyone and everything. That way our brave officials only need to answer phones and type to solve problems.

Bullet serialization is coming eventually. First it was California, then Illinois, and now Hawaii. Why fight the right to own a rifle or a pistol will just make it were they can’t get ammo. With out ammo what do you have? An expensive club. They ammo manufactures go out of business, reloading is illegal, and all we need is an incident. Little Johnny or Jane would be alive today if we had serial numbers on bullets it would deter crime! It won’t criminals will still have ammo, you can’t stop drugs from being made or imported know your going to stop bullets. This is just more feeling good BS!

Face the facts to most of the media gun owners are just criminals that haven’t been caught yet. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America.

How do they plan on putting codes on buckshot?

This kind of crap is just getting started.Wait till 2009-2010 with the dems in power.  

The gun-grabbers only need one fucked up teenager on a rampage to get all of our guns banned for life.

Quoted: This kind of crap is just getting started.Wait till 2009-2010 with the dems in power.   The gun-grabbers only need one fucked up teenager on a rampage to get all of our guns banned for life.

Unless we win big in Heller.

Quoted: How do they plan on putting codes on buckshot?

Wads.

Quoted: Quoted: How are they gonna do that for frangible ammo. This bill passed the NY Assembly in 2007 and will once again pass the Dimwit controlled Assembly in 2008. A-3447/S-2002 Includes possession of armor piercing, frangible or devastator ammunition as criminal possession of a weapon In 2007 one of the NYC Dimwit Assemplypersons introduced the coded bullet nonsense in the state Assembly. He couldn't even get any of the other NYC Assembly Dimwits to cosponser the bill. AN ACT to amend the general business law and the penal law, in  relation          to establishing a statewide database to maintain and track coded ammu-          nition  and  establishing  penalties  for individuals who violate such          provisions; and to amend the state finance law, in relation to  estab-          lishing the ammunition coding system database fund

Who are the industry reps?  I need to know who to boycot

Our group includes gun crime victims, industry representatives, law enforcement, public officials, public policy experts, and more.

Any group that puts "and more" at the end of this sentence doesn't scare me.

Quoted: "4. The cost of maintaining the database shall be funded by the ammuni- tion coding system database fund established pursuant to section nine-ty-one-g of the State Finance Law. Vendors shall charge an additional $.005 per bullet or round of ammunition to the purchaser." Nice to see that they'd not only make it a pain in the ass to buy ammo, that they'll us pay for the system that makes it a pain in the ass to buy ammo.

Ammunition is the soft underbelly of Gun ownership.  We capitulated on the Brady Background checks when we knew that wouldn't be the end.

Looks like they want to treat ammo like cancer sticks i.e. tax it to help pay for all the scoial ills it causes.  Hell, ammo should be free for the asking for all the social ills it cures (IMHO).

If this ever happens, best police your brass at the range.....

If you though ammo was expensive now, wait until that shit somehow passes.  Ammo prices would go up drastically.

Quoted: If this ever happens, best police your brass at the range.....

AND dig your bullets out of the berm.

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Quoted: height=8 Quoted: How are they gonna do that for frangible ammo. his A-3447/S-2002 Includes possession of armor piercing, frangible or devastator ammunition as criminal possession of a weapon .......... So, no more hunting and getting a clean/non-brain stem shot without a lot of animal suffering????  Good plan

Quoted: Quoted: About Us Ammunition Accountability is a newly forming group of ammunition coding technology supporters. Our group includes gun crime victims, industry representatives, law enforcement, public officials, public policy experts, and more. We are working together to pass legislation to make ammunition coding technology a reality. Ammunition coding technology works by laser etching the back of each bullet with an alpha-numeric serial number. Then when a potential criminal purchases a box of 9mm cartridges, the box of ammunition and the bullets’ coding numbers would be connected to the purchaser in a statewide database. When a bullet is found at a crime scene, the code on the bullet can be read with a simple magnifying glass and then be run through a statewide database to determine who purchased the ammunition and where, providing a valuable investigative lead. There are many ways that you can help us solve gun crime around the nation. For more information about our organization or information about the technology contact us: [email protected]. I'm getting really, really sick of this shit.

Sing it, bro.

A little Googling around found this:

Similar bills have already been introduced in several other States, Tennessee & Mississippi being among them. These bills are being pushed through ten States by a lobby-group called "AmmunitionAccountability" for the benefit of manufacturer ACS, or "Ammunition Coding Systems". While certainly in bed with the many anti-gun advocates, the lobbyists & ACS stand to make millions of dollars if their bills pass.

Makes sense.

A look at Ammunition Coding System (ACS)

This pic is on their home page:

http://www.ammocoding.com/images/bullet1_home.jpg (left cold, of course)

Look similar to this?

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Technology/Coded%20Bullet2.jpg (also cold - if someone wants to photobucket them & put em side by side for comparison...) from the Ammo Accountability outfit's "technology page" http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Technology.htm

But let's go on with the ACS story:

Almost every day in every major US city you can open your local newspaper and read about the aftermath of gun violence. A child, a police officer, a mother or a father is cut down in the prime of life. An assassin murders a popular Seattle prosecutor. Two bloodthirsty snipers prey on innocent bystanders and terrorize our nation’s Capitol or a lone gunman takes potshots at passing motorists on a Columbus freeway. In most cases, the only evidence left behind is a body, a bullet, and possibly a shell casing or two.

They are pretty circumspect about just who is behind the curtain...

http://www.ammocoding.com/contact.html


And who's this lobbyist that ACS has retained?

http://www.gth-gov.com/clients.html

Governmental Affairs Gordon Thomas Honeywell Government Affairs (GTH-GA) is a dynamic group of individuals offering comprehensive governmental affairs services to a diverse client base. With three offices (Washington, DC; Tacoma, Washington; Seattle, Washington), GTH-GA’s global team of experienced professionals is prepared for any challenge. GTH-GA provides governmental affairs services at all levels of government – local, state, federal and foreign. In addition to providing services before a variety of different governments, GTH-GA has developed policy expertise on numerous subjects. Notable areas of expertise include Public Safety/Homeland Security, Technology, Biotechnology, Local Government, Utilities and Transportation. The key to GTH-GA’s success is our commitment to understanding our clients’ business. Maintaining strong government contacts and political expertise are essential. However, it is only with a comprehensive understanding of a client’s business and markets that a consultancy can take full advantage of its experience and expertise to recommend positive government solutions. At GTH-GA we make each client’s business our business. GTH-GA’s Governmental Affairs Services offers four distinct, yet interactive, business units: the Federal Governmental Affairs Group, the Multi-State Governmental Affairs Group, the International Public Affairs Group, and the Washington State Governmental Affairs Group. ... The Multi-State Governmental Affairs Group specializes in providing governmental affairs and marketing services to businesses and organizations that are impacted by state government legislation, regulations or budgets. Whether designing government market strategy, monitoring legislation, securing intelligence, defeating legislation, implementing complex legislative objectives, providing access, or hiring/managing local lobbyists, GTH-GA has experience representing clients in nearly every state capital. GTH-GA’s clients have gained significant success from Multi-State Group services. In fact, GTH-GA has a national reputation for successfully implementing complex legislative projects to advance our clients’ goals. Click here to see a list of GTH-GA’s Multi-State Public Affairs & Business Consulting Group Clients

http://www.gth-gov.com/about.html

Here's the guy that runs the "multi-state group" (of which ACS is listed as a client)

Tim Schellberg, President, Governmental Affairs Services Tim Schellberg is the President of Gordon Thomas Honeywell's Governmental Affairs. Tim maintains an active governmental affairs practice, and manages the firm's four Governmental Affairs business groups: 1) Federal Governmental Affairs Group, 2) Multi-State Governmental Affairs Group, 3) International Public Affairs Group, and 4) Washington State Governmental Affairs Group. Tim received his undergraduate degree from Washington State University in 1988 and his law degree from Seattle University in 1991. Upon Graduating from law school, Tim served as an attorney and legislative liaison to the Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs. From 1994-2006, Tim was a partner at the law and governmental affairs firm Smith Alling Lane, P.S. Throughout his career, Tim has successfully represented his clients in a majority of the state capitals. He is well known for his ability to organize and manage multi-state and multi-national governmental affairs programs to pass legislation and budgets that create significant markets for his clients. This multi-government experience and exposure has also created numerous opportunities for Tim and his clients to deliver presentations throughout the United States and abroad on the topics of national legislative and budget policy regarding his client’s interests. Tim has also had extensive involvement representing his clients before Congress and many federal agencies. While working in Washington, DC, Tim has successfully secured numerous federal appropriations and has effectively lobbied for policy decisions for his clients. Tim lives in Gig Harbor, Washington with his wife and two children.

Lotsa lobbyists. http://www.gth-gov.com/staff.html

Offices in Tacoma, Seattle and of course DC

http://www.gth-gov.com/contact.html

Not surprisingly, they appear to be a subset of a big personal injury law firm

http://www.gth-law.com/

The lobby group's head: http://www.gth-law.com/lawyer-attorney-1225477.html

more to follow...

Back to ACS - Googling their phone number and a couple of other things turned up what may be a predecessor company:

http://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearms/accessories/ammunition/press-releases/90639/

July 27, 2004 EmailPrintRegisterBookmarkWhat's This Ammunition Coding System - A Revolutionary Way to Identify Bullets Almost every day you can open your local newspaper and read a story about a shooting where no evidence is left, except the victim and a bullet. According to the Untied States Department of Justice, there is at least a 37% chance of never finding a killer in a crime involving a firearm. By making the bullet itself a more useable piece of evidence (without having to also find the gun) we can greatly increase the chance that law enforcement will solve more crimes. Ravensforge has developed a patent pending technology: the Ammunition Coding System ("ACS"). ACS will assign a unique code to every bullet sold. By maintaining a record of purchases of ammunition, law enforcement personnel will be able to easily trace the ownership of any ammunition involved in a crime. The ballistic fingerprinting system which is currently under consideration is an alternative plan to ACS. However, ballistic fingerprinting has many weaknesses. Most importantly, it won't deal with the millions of guns currently owned. It is estimated that at any given point in time there is only a four to five year supply of ammunition in the marketplace. Because of these ongoing sales, ACS will provide current and updated information on all ammunition users. This information won't be available if gun ownership is used as the primary source of identification. In 1992, approximately 5.4 billion bullets were sold in the US alone. It is safe to assume that this number is trending upward. We estimate that 8-10 billion bullets were sold in the US in 2002. ACS has the capacity to accommodate this rate of sales for decades to come without duplicating the codes. The design of our engraving system will allow law enforcement personnel to identify the code on a bullet, if even as little as 20% of the base remains intact. Since bullets are designed for the base to remain solid and in its original shape, the probability of our codes being legible after use is very high. Tests have shown a 99% success rate in determining the code after firing the coded ammunition. We are soliciting ideas on how to implement ACS, as well as recommendations for improvements to its use or design. We will be happy to meet with you to further discuss and explain this unique and potentially valuable system to aid law enforcement professionals. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ammunition Coding System - Q & A's What is being proposed? The Ammunition Coding System ("ACS") creates a unique code that is engraved or similarly marked on every bullet sold. This engraving will be placed on both the projectile and the inside of the cartridge casing. Each code would be common to one box of bullets and unique from all other ammunition sold. This code would be tracked and a record maintained identifying who bought that particular box of bullets. This will allow law enforcement personnel to trace who purchased a bullet or bullets found at a crime scene. A database management contractor will maintain a record of all ammunition sales. Each ammunition retailer will be required to report the ACS code and information identifying the purchaser to the database manager. This information will be available only to authorized law enforcement personnel. This system won't necessarily prove who pulled the trigger, nor does ballistic fingerprinting, but it will provide law enforcement with a place to begin their investigation. What will it cost? The cost to implement this system is substantial, but results in a small cost per bullet for the end users. There are several significant manufacturers of ammunition. Each one would have to purchase at least one, if not more; laser engraving machines and material handlers. We have received estimates that each set of equipment would cost $300,000 to $500,000. A licensing fee will also be applied to each bullet sold. However, since there are approximately 10 billion bullets sold in the United States alone each year, the equipment costs, once amortized over the number of bullets sold, are insignificant. There will also be administrative costs for the retailers. All of these costs will most likely be passed onto the purchaser, making this a system paid for by user fees. How big a burden will the ACS be on retailers? The system of recording identification is easy in areas that have implemented bar coding of drivers licenses and other forms of identification. Manufacturers will include the code in the bar coding on each box of bullets, so retailers will be able to scan the box of bullets and the purchasers drivers license and have the required information without any significant expense of time. Why is the ACS better than ballistic fingerprinting? Coding System- Doesn't require any special training or equipment for law enforcement to use (other than a good magnifying glass). Determination of the code on the bullet doesn't require any special skills and is not subjective. Major manufacturers already use bar coding for inventory control and management. The code assigned to each box would be an easy addition to this system. The system makes it difficult for someone without special tools and training to circumvent. Information derived from the ACS will be contemporary, since it is estimated that there is no more than a 4-5 year supply of ammunition in circulation at any one time. By using the ACS system when engraving the bullet; the code is identifiable if as little as 20% of the base of the bullet is still intact. Ballistic Fingerprinting- The system currently being proposed will be expensive to create and maintain. The unique characteristics of the fingerprinting system are easy to alter. Regular use of a firearm will change the unique characteristics of a firearm. Judging the comparison of a bullet to the signature of a firearm requires a subjective determination which is prone to human error. Ballistic fingerprinting takes considerable time and is expensive to perform. Information isn't available on the millions of firearms already in existence. Information on new firearms will be outdated long before the firearm is no longer in use. How could the system be circumvented? The ACS can be circumvented by any of the following methods: Someone could cast their own bullets and load them themselves. A person could buy a coded bullet, disassemble it, file the number off, and reassemble the cartridge/bullet combination. Someone could buy a lifetime supply of ammunition before the ACS goes into effect. However, we would argue that the person who is going to hold up the corner convenience store is unlikely to do any of these things. Since the vast majority of gun crimes are crimes of passion, few people will ever consider a premeditated attempt to circumvent the proposed system. Does the ACS violate our Second Amendment rights? No. However, every effort should be used to be sensitive to the objections of gun rights advocates. The information that retailers obtain about the bullet purchaser should not be available to anyone but law enforcement. How does the system get implemented? As with most gun related laws, each state or country will need to legislate the requirement that the ACS be used. Our system of coding will allow an almost infinite number of codes and is easily understood. By requiring the use of our Coding System, each area will assure that there are no conflicts between manufacturers. A common system of coding will prevent duplication between areas, and avoid making the manufacturers implement several different coding systems. How many unique codes are available? There are 90 unique characters on a standard keyboard. We propose to use these characters in six columns in conjunction with three characters that will identify the beginning and end of the code sequence. This results in 1.6 trillion codes. Typically, bullets come in boxes of either 20 or 50 and different calibers of bullets can be assigned the same code, so the total number of bullets that can be coded before duplicating a code is as much as 637 trillion bullets. We could also use five characters for some bullets increasing the number of bullets before duplication to 744 trillion. Finally, if we use most of the 256 characters available in the standard character set, the number of codes becomes almost infinite. If you have any questions, concerns, or input, please contact Ammunition Coding System at: 10002 Aurora Avenue North #4432 Seattle, WA 98133 phone: 888.743.3490 fax: 425.743.1452 Email: [email protected]

That address look familiar? It should, it's the same as ACS' current street addy:

Mail Address: 10002 Aurora Avenue North #4432 Seattle, WA 98133 Telephone: Office: 425.742.2454 FAX: 425.743.1452 Email: Click here

http://www.ammocoding.com/contact.html

So who the Sam Hill is "Ravensforge"?

These guys? http://www.ravensforge.com/about.htm

Apparantly so.

Check this out:

We also believe there needs to be further                independent, objective study of the technology and                its feasibility.  As you may know, the National                Academy of Sciences is currently conducting a                feasibility study of "ballistics imaging."  SAAMI                supported federal legislation introduced in the 107th                Congress calling for such a study, and we support                NAS's study.  To our knowledge, the very limited                testing of this technology has been done primarily by                the company, Ravensforge (  www.ravensforge.com  ), which                has a vested financial interest in the outcome of any                testing.  In conducting what limited testing it did,                Ravensforge did not consult with any ammunition                manufacturer as to the feasibility, or lack thereof,                of incorporating its technology into the production                process and the impact it would have on the                manufacturer.  The issue of whether the Legislature                would be creating a monopoly for Ravensforge must                also be considered.  This appears to be a "sole                source" technology.

info.sen.ca.gov/pub/05-06/bill/sen/sb_0351-0400/sb_357_cfa_20050425_143651_sen_comm.html

And Googling the two together confirms.

www.nssf.org/share/PDF/SAAMI_Ltr_VT.pdf

<SNIP> To Members of the Vermont Legislature: You may have already received a letter from Sgt. James P. Fuda (ret.) expressing support for bullet serialization – the process by which each individual round of ammunition is identified and marked with a laser engraved serial number. Mr. Fuda is part of a larger disinformation campaign that the Ravensforge Company (a group whose primary product is skateboarding equipment) has engaged in, with hopes of lobbying lawmakers by misrepresenting the capabilities of bullet serialization. This follows Ravenforge’s involvement and financial ties to an ammunition coding system database. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI) is the nonprofit trade association for the nation’s leading manufacturers of sporting firearms and ammunition. SAAMI certainly understands that in theory it is possible to laser engrave a serial number on metal. No one is arguing this. The problem is that serializing ammunition on a mass production basis is not feasible from a practical standpoint and any legislation mandating such action could rightfully be considered a de facto ban on ammunition. If manufacturers had to comply with bullet serialization, SAAMI estimates that it would take almost three weeks to manufacture what is currently made in a single day. This massive reduction in ammunition would translate into substantially lower sales and profitability and ultimately force major ammunition manufacturers to abandon the market. In turn, there would be a severe shortage of serialized ammunition and all consumers, including federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, would be faced with substantial price increases. Ammunition will go from costing pennies to several dollars per cartridge. The result, already overstretched law enforcement budgets will be stretched even thinner. The domestic small arms ammunition industry, utilizing modern manufacturing processes and distribution practices, produces at least 8 billion ammunition cartridges a year at already lowprofit margins. <SNIP>

So who is Ravensforge? Stay tuned...

Quoted: How do they plan on putting codes on buckshot?

Understand how laws work.
That which is non-compliant will be banned if not specifically exempted.

Heh, engrave a number on the base of the bullet. Do these fuckers think bullets stay perfectly intact so they can read the numbers? Like in cartoons?

Sadly, they probably do. It is also very clear that these people are insane.

It's coming......

.

Gotta love Google & open source information...

The Ravensforge story

Friday, November 15, 2002 Former real estate executives turned Ravensforge's SkateBlock studs from a sideline into a businessPuget Sound Business Journal (Seattle) - by Joel Ozretich Staff Writer Print Article Email Article Reprints RSS Feeds Add to Del.icio.us Digg This Skateboarders and in-line skaters send hate mail to Ravensforge, denouncing the company's products. But SkateBlocks — short metal studs affixed to benches, planters and railings to prevent skateboarders, BMX bicyclists or in-line skaters from damaging property — have turned into a $1 million-a-year business for the two-man, Seattle-based firm. Ravensforge was founded four years ago by three former property and construction managers at Seattle-based Martin Smith Inc. Steven Mace, Russ Ford and John Knickerbocker had seen how repainting and repairing railings or planters damaged by skateboards and in-line skates could require repairs that often ran into thousands of dollars a year. After leaving Martin Smith in 1998 to form their own real estate company, Real Estate Management Group, they started Ravensforge as kind of a side business. That year the company sold only 368 of the 2-to-3-inch SkateBlocks, grossing about $8,000. "Back then, if you had said, 'Why don't you sell these things to stop skateboarders?' I would have said, 'It sounds like a good hobby, but it's certainly not a business,' " Mace said. Since then, Ravensforge has become a full-time business for Mace and Ford, and property management has become the secondary business. Knickerbocker returned to Martin Smith after less than a year away, but still occasionally helps his former partners with new designs. Jefferson Square shopping center in West Seattle was the first place SkateBlocks were installed, said Mace. Since then, the metal studs have been attached at many more prominent Seattle locations, including Westlake Center, the University of Washington, Benaroya Hall, Seattle University, the Grand Hyatt Seattle hotel and University Village. In all, about 92,000 SkateBlocks have been sold across the country and as far away as Australia. Most customers are municipalities, universities and other large property owners. New York City's Battery Park got more than 400 SkateBlocks when the park reopened last spring, after being damaged in the Sept. 11 attacks. Early on, employees at the 1-year-old Grand Hyatt Seattle hotel, on the corner of Pike Street and Seventh Avenue, noticed damage to the tiles around the base of the bronze sculpture at the hotel's entrance. "It wasn't bad yet, but it was about to be," said Jen Bixby, former assistant to the hotel's director of engineering. Bixby had seen the metal studs installed on other nearby properties, but was surprised to find out that a local company made them. She contacted Ravensforge and had SkateBlocks installed to prevent further damage. "Inevitably, we would have had to replace the tiles," said Doug Sears, general manager of the Grand Hyatt Seattle. "We got the protectors on there soon enough that we really didn't have to replace anything."

What else do we know about Steven Mace & Russ Ford? Are they the driving force behind this endeavour? Maybe some of the WA crew can fill in some blanks...

Quoted: .... ammunition ... crime scene ....

when it comes down to it, reloading is easy ...

replace barrel

replace extractor

replace firing pin

easy as 1.2.3 ...


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Want me to head over to Aurora and see what's up?  It's just a POBox anyway, but Aurora is pretty much a craphole - lots of hookers and "by the hour" hotels.

More.

Here is their patent for serializing bullets

United States Patent  7,143,697 Mace ,   et al.  December 5, 2006   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apparatus and method for identifying ammunition Abstract The present invention is directed to identifying ammunition. In one embodiment, an identifiable ammunition cartridge includes a bullet having a first identification surface, a casing having a second identification surface, and an identifying code positioned on at least one of the first and the second identification surfaces. In another embodiment, a method for identifying ammunition includes selecting a first code portion and a second code portion, and combining the first code portion with the second code portion to form an identifier that may be applied to the ammunition. In still another embodiment, a method for tracking ammunition having an identifier includes storing the identifier and a corresponding identity of a first custodian in a data storage system, transferring the ammunition to a second custodian, associating the ammunition identifier with an identity of the second custodian, and storing the identity corresponding to the second custodian in the data storage system. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inventors:  Mace; Steve (Seattle, WA), Ford; Russell H. (Seattle, WA)   Assignee: Ravensforge LLC (Seattle, WA) Appl. No.:  10/617,124 Filed:  July 9, 2003

How on earth they got a patent on a serial number escapes me.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- References Cited [Referenced By] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- U.S. Patent Documents   1632156 June 1927 Wiley 1650908 November 1927 Ramsey 1887324 November 1932 Pocoroba 2592434 April 1952 Krasnow 4035942 July 1977 Wiczer 4150624 April 1979 Hammond 4222330 September 1980 Krystyniak 4895076 January 1990 Looger et al. 5225628 July 1993 Heiny 5400716 March 1995 Mayer 5485789 January 1996 Collier 5511483 April 1996 Griffin, Jr. 5646365 July 1997 Collier 5698816 December 1997 Roxby 5834660 November 1998 Whalen et al. 6209459 April 2001 Kaufman et al. 6293204 September 2001 Regen 6810816 November 2004 Rennard 6886284 May 2005 Lizotte 2003/0217665 November 2003 Rennard Primary Examiner: Nguyen; T. Attorney, Agent or Firm: Dorsey & Whitney, LLP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Claims -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The invention claimed is: 1. An identifiable ammunition cartridge for a firearm, comprising: a projectile having a first identification surface; a casing that is coupled to the projectile that includes a second identification surface; and an identifier positioned on at least one of the first and the second identification surfaces, the identifier further including a code comprised of a plurality of optically identifiable characters, the plurality of optically identifiable characters comprising a combination of alphanumeric characters, the code being identically and repetitively applied to the identification surfaces. 2. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 1, wherein the first identification surface further comprises a base portion of the projectile. 3. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 1, wherein the second identification surface further comprises an external rim portion of the casing. 4. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 1, wherein the second identification surface further comprises a web portion of the casing. 5. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 1, wherein the code further comprises a code prefix and a code body. 6. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 5, wherein the code prefix ranges from at least one character to three identical characters, and the code body includes at least four characters. 7. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 1, wherein the projectile comprises a mass of generally spherically-shaped pellets, further comprising a wad positioned within the casing having a third identification surface, wherein the identifier is positioned on the third identification surface. 8. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 1, wherein the code is selected from characters available on a standard keyboard. 9. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 1, wherein the code comprises at least four characters selected from a 256 character set. 10. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 1, wherein the identifier is formed in identifiable rows and are staggered so that the code does not form identifiable columns. 11. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 1, wherein the identifier occupies substantially all of the surface area of the identification surface that the identifier is applied to. 12. An identifiable ammunition cartridge for a firearm, comprising: a projectile comprising a mass of generally spherically-shaped pellets; a casing that is coupled to the projectile; a wad positioned within the casing; and an identifier positioned on at least one of the projectile, casing, and wad, the identifier further including a code comprised of a plurality of optically identifiable characters, the code being identically and repetitively applied to the identification surfaces. 13. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 12, wherein the identifier is positioned on an external rim portion of the casing. 14. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 12, wherein the code further comprises a code prefix and a code body. 15. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 12, wherein the code prefix ranges from at least one character to three identical characters, and the code body includes at least four characters. 16. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 12, wherein the code is selected from characters available on a standard keyboard. 17. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 12, wherein the code comprises at least four characters selected from a 256 character set. 18. The identifiable ammunition cartridge according to claim 12, wherein the identifier is formed in identifiable rows and are staggered so that the code does not form identifiable columns. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TECHNICAL FIELD The present invention relates generally to the identification of ammunition, and more specifically, to the application of an identifying mark to ammunition. BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION It has long been recognized that firearms form an identifiable series of marks, or striations on a projectile as it is discharged from the firearm. Since the striations generally result from minor differences that ordinarily arise during the manufacture of the firearm, the striations are generally unique, so that detectable differences exist even for firearms contemporaneously produced by the same manufacturer. As a result, forensic ballistic investigations often use these unique striation patterns to establish an association between a recovered projectile, such as a bullet, and a firearm. Various methods have been proposed that employ the striations formed on the projectile as the basis for an identification system for firearms. In one method, generally referred to as "ballistic fingerprinting", a test cartridge is discharged from a firearm prior to the sale of the firearm. The components of the test cartridge are recovered and retained in a repository so that they may be accessed at some future time when ownership of the firearm must be established. Identifiable characteristics associated with the test cartridge components may include striation marks on a bullet, a firing pin mark on a cartridge casing, extractor marks on a rim of the casing, or other readily identifiable marks. Alternatively, the components of the test cartridge may be photographed or scanned to form an image record of the recovered components so that the image record may be stored in a data base. In either case, when the firearm is sold, the identity of the purchaser is associated with the information obtained from the test cartridge. When it becomes necessary to determine ownership of the firearm, for example, following the commission of a crime using the firearm, the recovery of the components of a cartridge discharged at the crime scene will permit the owner of the firearm to be identified by comparing the recovered components to the components retained in the repository, or alternatively, by comparing the recovered components to imagery stored in the data base. Despite the obvious advantages afforded by ballistic fingerprinting methods, drawbacks nevertheless exist. For example, firearms manufactured and sold before the implementation of a ballistic fingerprinting program would not be identifiable through the program, since no test cartridge information would be present in a repository or a data base for these firearms. Accordingly, most of the firearms now in existence would remain non-traceable despite the implementation of the ballistic fingerprinting program. Further, even if test cartridge information exists for a firearm, certain methods used to manufacture components of the firearm may present difficulties when attempting to identify a firearm by ballistic fingerprinting. For example, in one present method, the barrel and receiver portion of the firearm is formed by shaping the barrel and receiver on a mandrel. The mandrel generally includes distinctive machining marks that are subsequently transferred to the barrel and receiver as they are formed. Accordingly, a large number of barrel and receiver portions formed on a common mandrel will generally include similar marks or striations that correspond to the marks present on the mandrel, thus reducing the presence of unique and readily identifiable patterns on the test cartridge. Additionally, components of the firearm may be selectively altered by reconfiguring the barrel and/or the receiver portion of the firearm so that it produces striations that differ significantly from the striation pattern that was obtained when the test cartridge was fired. Consequently, traceability of the firearm with reference to the test cartridge information could be easily defeated. Still further, the barrel and/or receiver portions of the firearm undergo various changes during normal use that may significantly affect the striations in the barrel, so that the fingerprint information associated with the firearm gradually changes over time. Still other problems present exist with present ballistic fingerprinting methods. For example, components from different firearms may be exchanged, or may simply be replaced at some time during the life of the firearm as a part of a repair operation. In such cases, traceability is also lost since there is generally no requirement to document these operations in a ballistic fingerprinting program. Finally, the traceability of a firearm may also be lost by transferring ownership of the firearm to others through a series of undocumented personal transactions, so that the chain of ownership is lost. An alternative approach is to position an identifying mark on a cartridge before the cartridge is sold, and to associate an identity corresponding to a purchaser with the identifying mark on a portion of a cartridge. Several significant advantages are evident in this approach. In general, no governmental agency would be required to supervise the test cartridge firing, and to retain the information in a central repository, or data base. Instead, ammunition having an identifying mark could be conveniently tracked through a chain of supply in a manner similar to ordinary inventory tracking, so that the costs associated with tracking the ownership of the marked ammunition are widely distributed. Furthermore, since the burden associated with identification of the firearm is effectively shifted from the firearm to the ammunition, the identity of a firearm owner or user may be determined without regard to the age of the firearm, so that all firearms currently in existence could be traced. Moreover, modification of the firearm by altering selected portions of the firearm would be ineffective in defeating an ammunition marking system. Still further, ammunition marking could not, in general, be defeated by undocumented firearms sales, since the documentation is associated with the ammunition rather than the firearm. Various methods are present in the prior art for placing an identifying mark on ammunition. For example, U.S. Pat. No. 1,650,908 to Ramsey discloses an ammunition marking system that includes forming a single identifier on a rear face of a bullet. The single identifier, however, may be rendered unreadable by deformation of the bullet, thus defeating subsequent attempts to identify the bullet. Moreover, the single identifier is limited to the expression of relatively few numbers. Ramsey further discloses forming a single identifier on a rear surface of a cartridge by transferring an identifier present on a surface of a hammer of the firearm on to a rear surface of the cartridge. One particular shortcoming present in this approach is that it requires a suitably configured firearm. Another prior art approach is described in U.S. Pat. No. 6,293,204 B1 to Regen, which discloses marking ammunition components with a binary code array. The array is a compact method for forming a binary number, so that many distinct numbers may be expressed. Although the binary arrays disclosed by Regen allow the formation of more distinct numbers than permitted by Ramsey, the method still relies on the formation of a single number on the ammunition component. Consequently, if various bits within the binary array are rendered unreadable by deformation of the bullet, or by other means, subsequent identification of the ammunition component may not be possible. In addition, the binary array may not be deciphered by persons not having specialized training directed to reading the contents of the binary array. Accordingly, the ability of law enforcement agencies to read the contents of the array and to readily identify the ammunition component is impeded. What is required in the art is a marking method that allows an identifying mark to be repetitively formed on an article of ammunition so that at least one of the marks remains identifiable despite the deformation or even partial destruction of the ammunition components. SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION The present invention is generally directed to an apparatus and methods for the identification of ammunition, and more specifically, to the application of an identifier to ammunition. In a first aspect, the invention includes an identifiable ammunition cartridge for a firearm having a bullet having a first identification surface, a casing that retains the bullet, the casing having a second identification surface, and an identifying code positioned on at least one of the first and the second identification surfaces. In another aspect of the invention, a method for identifying an ammunition article having at least one component includes selecting a first code portion and a second code portion, and combining the first code portion with the second code portion to form an identifier, and forming the identifier on the at least one component of the ammunition article. In still another aspect, a method for tracking ammunition having a pre-selected identifier includes storing the identifier and a corresponding identity of a first custodian of the ammunition in a data storage system, transferring the ammunition to a second custodian and associating the ammunition identifier with an identity corresponding to the second custodian, and storing the identity corresponding to the second custodian in the data storage system. BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAWINGS FIG. 1 is a partial cross-sectional view of a marked cartridge according to an embodiment of the invention. FIG. 1A is a schematic cross-sectional view of a marked shotgun cartridge according to one embodiment of the invention. FIG. 2 is a diagrammatic view of a coding method for marking ammunition according to another embodiment of the invention. FIG. 2a is an isometric view of a bullet that includes an identifier according to a particular embodiment of the invention. FIG. 3 is a table that illustrates relative numbers of cartridges that may be marked using the coding method. FIG. 4 is a flowchart that illustrates a method for supplying marked ammunition according to still another embodiment of the invention. DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE INVENTION The present invention is generally directed to the identification of ammunition, and more specifically, to the application of an identifier to ammunition. Many of the specific details of certain embodiments of the invention are set forth in the following description and in FIGS. 1 to 4 to provide a thorough understanding of such embodiments. One skilled in the art will understand, however, that the present invention may be practiced without several of the details described in the following description. Moreover, in the description that follows, it is understood that the figures related to the various embodiments are not to be interpreted as conveying any specific or relative physical dimension. Instead, it is understood that specific or relative dimensions related to the embodiments, if stated, are not to be considered limiting unless the claims expressly state otherwise. FIG. 1 is a partial cross-sectional view of a marked cartridge 10 according to an embodiment of the invention. The cartridge 10 includes a bullet 12 that is at least partially retained by a casing 14 having a generally hollow interior that contains a propellant (not shown). The casing 14 includes a neck 16 that retains the bullet, usually by an interference fit between the bullet 12 and the neck 16. The casing 14 also includes a head 18 having a primer 20 that is embedded in the head 18 that is exposed to the propellant through a flash hole 22. The casing 14 also includes a generally flat web 24 on an interior portion of the head 18. In one particular embodiment of the present invention, an identifier 29 may be placed on a base 26 of the bullet 12. The identifier 29 may be placed on the bullet 12 by any of a number of well-known methods for marking a metallic object, such as engraving, stamping, molding, photoengraving, photolithography, or other similar methods. The identifier 29 includes sequences of independently recognizable characters that are placed on the bullet 12 in repetitive character groups, as will be described in greater detail below. In another particular embodiment, the identifier 29 may be placed on an external rim 28 of the head 18, so that the casing 14 may be identified. The casing 14 may be marked by any of the processes suited to marking metallic surfaces, as described above. In still another particular embodiment, the identifier 29 may be placed on the web 24 within the casing 14. Since the identifier 29 is deeply recessed within the casing 14, the identifier 29 is more resistant to tampering or alteration than if placed on the external rim 28 of the casing 14. The identifier 29 may be placed on the web portion 24 by a laser that projects a coherent beam into the casing 14 to form the mark either by discoloring a surface of the case material or by engraving the mark by selectively vaporizing the case material. Although FIG. 1 depicts a marked cartridge 10 that is configured for use in a long rifle or even a handgun, it is understood that the embodiments of the present invention are also applicable to other types of cartridges used in other types of firearms. For example, as shown in FIG. 1A, a cartridge 100 commonly used in shotguns includes an outer generally polymeric casing 140 that includes a propellant 150 located adjacent to a primer 20 positioned in a base end of the cartridge 100, a mass of generally spherically-shaped pellets 120 positioned at an opposing end of the cartridge 100, and a wad material 130 that is positioned between the shot 120 and the propellant 150 to moderate the effect of the acceleration forces on the pellets 120 when the propellant 150 is detonated. When the cartridge is discharged, the wad 130 and the shot 120 are ejected from the cartridge 100. Accordingly, therefore, and in another particular embodiment, the wad may be marked with the identifier 29 so that the recovered wad may be identified. The foregoing embodiments advantageously provide a cartridge that may be readily identified by inspecting the identifier 29 placed on various components of the cartridge. Since the identifier 29 may be positioned on interior portions of the cartridge, such as on the base 26 of the bullet 12, or upon the web 24 of the casing 14, they are less subject to alteration or eradication by various means, since they cannot be altered unless the cartridge is disassembled to gain access to the identifier 29. In particular, if the identifier 29 is placed on the web 24, the identifier 29 is particularly resistant to alteration or eradication since they are deeply recessed within the case 14. FIG. 2 is a diagrammatic view of a coding method 30 for forming the identifier 29 of FIG. 1, according to another embodiment of the invention. The coding method 30 includes a code prefix 32 that is generally formed of similar characters, such as dots, dimples, or other similarly recognizable figures that may be conveniently formed on one or more components of a cartridge 10, as shown in FIG. 1. Although the code prefix 32 may have any number of characters, in a particular embodiment, the number of characters in the code prefix 32 ranges from one to three. The code prefix 32 is followed by a code body 34 that includes a plurality of readily recognizable and distinct characters, herein denoted generally by "X" for purposes of illustration. The code body 34 may similarly include any number of characters, and in another particular embodiment, the number of characters ranges from four to six. The code body 34 may be comprised of an arrangement of characters that are either serially selected, or randomly selected. The combination of the code prefix 32 and the code body 34 comprise a code 31 that is repetitively applied to any of the portions of the cartridge 10 as shown in FIG. 1, so that at least one contiguous combination of the code prefix 32 and the code body 34 may be identified after the cartridge is fired. This aspect is particularly important since the bullet 12 as shown in FIG. 1 may undergo significant deformation after impacting a target. FIG. 2a is an isometric view of the bullet 12 of FIG. 1 that includes the identifier 29 of FIG. 2 according to a particular embodiment of the invention. In FIG. 2a, the base 26 of the bullet 12 is shown in magnified form to better illustrate the placement of the identifier 29 on the bullet 12. In this particular embodiment, the code body 34 comprises a group of five characters ("12345"), and the code prefix 32 comprises a pair of dots separating the code body 34. As described above, and shown in detail in FIG. 2a, the code prefix 32 and the code body 34 are repetitively applied to the base 26 so that at least one code 31 remains identifiable despite deformation and/or fragmentation of the bullet 12. Although the foregoing particular embodiment depicts a code 31 having a code prefix 32 comprised of a pair of dots, and a code body 34 having five characters, it is recognized that the code 31 shown in FIG. 2a is for illustrative purposes only, and that other combinations and sequences of characters may be used. Further, although a linear arrangement of the code 31 on the base 26 is shown in FIG. 2a, it is understood that the code 31 may be repetitively applied in other arrangements. For example, and still referring to FIG. 2a, the codes 31 may be applied to the base 26 of the bullet 21 in a circular arrangement, or in still other arrangements, and may be staggered, or "word-wrapped" so that the identifier 29 avoids the identifiable formation of columns of codes 31 as the codes 31 are applied to the bullet 12 in rows. As a consequence, the likelihood that a code 31 remains intact after deformation and/or fragmentation of the bullet 12 is significantly enhanced. FIG. 3 is a table that illustrates the number of cartridges that may be marked by the coding method 30 of FIG. 2. In one particular embodiment, 90 characters are available for forming the code body 34, which correspond to the 90 characters that are available on a standard keyboard commonly associated with a computer device as a data input means. If the code body 34 is comprised of four characters, then approximately 6.1.times.10.sup.7 permutations of the 90 character set are available. Since the four-character group may have a code prefix 32 that is comprised of between one and three characters, the total number of cartridges that may be marked with a four character random code is approximately about 1.8.times.10.sup.8 cartridges. The number cartridges that may be marked is increased by the method of packaging employed during manufacture. For example, cartridges are typically supplied to an ultimate consumer in boxes of 50 cartridges. If all of the cartridges in a box are assigned the same code 31, that is, all cartridges in a box include the same code prefix 32 and the same code body 34, then a single code 31 may be applied to approximately about 1.8.times.10.sup.8 boxes of cartridges, so that a four character code body 34 is sufficient to mark a total of approximately about 9.times.10.sup.9 cartridges. Still referring to FIG. 3, for the code body 34 having five characters each, approximately about 1.6.times.10.sup.10 cartridges may be marked, or alternatively, about 1.6.times.10.sup.10 boxes may be marked, so that a total of approximately about 8.times.10.sup.11 cartridges may be identified when the cartridges are supplied in 50 cartridge boxes. Similarly, for a six character code body 34, approximately about 1.4.times.10.sup.12 cartridges may be marked, so that if the cartridges are supplied in 50 cartridge boxes, a total of approximately about 7.times.10.sup.13 cartridges may be marked. It is well known that cartridges are commonly supplied in various calibers so that they may be used in a variety of different firearms, the caliber of the cartridge, or alternately the firearm generally corresponding to a diameter of a bore in the barrel portion of the firearm. As a result, the diameter, or still other identifiable characteristics related to the bullet shape may be employed as an additional identifying characteristic that augments the code 31 shown in FIG. 2. For example, and referring again to FIG. 3, for a code body 34 that includes four characters, a total of about 9.times.10.sup.9 cartridges may be marked, if the cartridges are supplied in a 50 cartridge box. If the caliber of the cartridge is employed as an additional identifiable feature of the cartridge, and, assuming that approximately about eight cartridge calibers are widely used, then the four character code body 34 may effectively mark at least about 7.2.times.10.sup.10 cartridges when supplied in boxes consisting of 50 cartridges each. Although the foregoing description has referred to the caliber of a bullet used in the cartridge, it is widely recognized that various calibers of bullets are used with casings having a distinctive shape and size. For example, some casings may be shouldered (as shown in FIG. 1), while others have a casing that is generally tubular in shape. Additionally, some casings may include an extractor groove at the base, while others have a raised rim at the base of the casing. Still other casings may include a primer pocket (also as shown in FIG. 1), while other casings may include a primer material positioned within the rim portion of the cartridge (e.g. "rim fire" cartridges). All of these casing configurations may be included as additional identifying characteristics that may be used to generally extend the number of cartridges that may be marked to generally extend the number of cartridges that may be marked. Although the foregoing estimations are based upon the use of a 90 character set commonly found on a standard keyboard, it is understood that other character sets may also be used, and are therefore within the scope of the invention For example, the ANSI character set commonly found on many personal computers includes 256 characters. Accordingly, the number of cartridges that may be marked may greatly exceed the foregoing estimates when a 256 character set is used. The foregoing embodiment advantageously provides a method for forming an identifier 29 on an ammunition article. In particular, the combination of a code prefix 32 followed by a code body 34 allows a large number of cartridges to be marked, as described in detail above. Since the identifier 29 is repetitively applied to the cartridge component, the probability that at least a single code 31 of the identifier 29 will remain identifiable upon recovery is greatly enhanced. Further, since the marked cartridges constitute a consumable commodity, and the cartridges are expected to be consumed at some estimated rate per year, the identifiers 29 may advantageously be reused on new cartridges after some determinable period of time, since it expected that the old cartridges will have been expended by then. Other characteristics of the cartridge, such as the caliber of the cartridge, or the shape or configuration of the casing may further be combined with the identifier 29 to further augment the number of cartridges that may be marked. FIG. 4 is a flowchart that illustrates a method 40 for supplying marked ammunition, according to still another embodiment of the invention. The method 40 includes the step 42 of marking the cartridges with the identifier 29 of FIG. 1 and packaging the cartridges in sealed containers having an identifying label positioned on an exterior portion of the container. Preferably, the identifying label is one that is tamper proof, so that attempts to change labels on containers, or to alter the label on a container may be readily detected. In a particular embodiment, the identifying information for the cartridges that is comprised of the code 31 of FIG. 2 is further encoded on a bar code label affixed to the container. The identifying information for the cartridge container, together with the manufacturer's identity, may be entered into a data storage system 43 that includes a computer 44 that is coupled to a mass storage device 45. At step 46, the marked cartridges are moved into the supply chain, which typically includes various wholesalers or even retailers. As the marked cartridges are moved through various locations, the location of the sealed containers is recorded by means of the external label, together with the identity of the particular party in the supply chain so that the custody of the sealed containers may be constantly tracked. Accordingly, each time custody of the cartridges changes, as, for example, when a wholesaler transfers ownership to a retailer, an entry is made in the data storage system 43 so that the custody of the marked cartridges is constantly available. At step 48, a retailer sells the marked ammunition to an ultimate consumer. At the point of sale, the retailer records pertinent information regarding the identity of the purchaser, which may include information taken from a vehicle driver's license, or other positive means of identification. Still referring to FIG. 4, when it is desired to determine the origin of a particular component of an ammunition article that has been recovered, a party authorized to access the data base 43 may determine the location of the ammunition purchase, and may also determine the identity of the purchaser of the ammunition, as shown at step 50. For example, if a bullet, and/or a casing bearing the identifier 29 is recovered by a law enforcement authority at the location of a crime, the identifier 29 may be read, whereupon the data storage system 43 may be accessed to determine the purchaser of the marked ammunition. The above description of illustrated embodiments of the invention is not intended to be exhaustive or to limit the invention to the precise form disclosed. While specific embodiment of, and examples of, the invention are described in the foregoing for illustrative purposes, various equivalent modifications are possible within the scope of the invention, as those skilled within the relevant art will recognize. Moreover, the various embodiments described above can be combined to provide further embodiments. Accordingly, the invention is not limited by the disclosure, but instead the scope of the invention is to be determined entirely by the following claims. * * * * *

Darn it! I guess I'll have to murder hookers with a revolver now.


I own your page fours

Quoted: Want me to head over to Aurora and see what's up?  It's just a POBox anyway, but Aurora is pretty much a craphole - lots of hookers and "by the hour" hotels.

Looks like it is little more than a suite in an office park

So these yoyo's made some bucks ion the Seattle Real Estate Market, fired up this "skateboard speedbump" company on the side, sold it off (or something), managed to get a patent on the idea of applying a serial number to something (wow, that's novel!) and retained a Seattle lawyer-cum-lobbyist to try to weasel their proprietary idea into law, does that pretty much cover it?

Scary part is all they need are a couple of dumb politicians to buy into it...

Another story on the skate board deal was a million dollar a year business, so they have some $$$ to play with.

Looks like they ran it out of their homes

Says they got hatemail from skateboarders (for their earlier invention)

double tap

Problem Solved....

not this shit again

I'd advise folks to read through the patent (posted on page 3)

Feel free to post any of the info on other boards. Would be interesting to see what else can be unearthed about these 'safety crusaders' (with $ signs in their eyes)

This lawyer/lobbyist is a strong Democratic supporter (no surprise there) and buddy of Cantwell

Also runs a tax-exempt LAW ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATORS OF WASHINGTON and has a history of anti legislation

LAW ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATORS OF WASHINGTON (c/o TIM SCHELLBERG) PO BOX 1358 Tacoma, WA 98401-1358 Board of Trade * * * 06/1994

Here is the lobbying record of his old firm which includes:

1) Applied Biosystems $60,000 $40,000 $380,000 2) Sagem Morpho $40,000 $40,000 $340,000 3) Orchid Biosciences $40,000 $40,000 $140,000 4) World Boxing Association $40,000 $40,000 $100,000 5) Washington Association of Sheriffs & Police Chiefs $20,000 Less than $10,000 $80,000 Link 6) International Boxing Federation $40,000 $40,000 $80,000 7) Prepared Response $20,000 $20,000 $40,000

Other lobbyists  in that firm

What they really want is to track ammo sales. Get ready to fill out a form with each box you purchase. There really is no end to the insanity, and there's obviously no end to what we will put up with. Face it, 99% of people are sheep - even gun owners.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How are they gonna do that for frangible ammo. This bill passed the NY Assembly in 2007 and will once again pass the Dimwit controlled Assembly in 2008. A-3447/S-2002 Includes possession of armor piercing, frangible or devastator ammunition as criminal possession of a weapon In 2007 one of the NYC Dimwit Assemplypersons introduced the coded bullet nonsense in the state Assembly. He couldn't even get any of the other NYC Assembly Dimwits to cosponser the bill. AN ACT to amend the general business law and the penal law, in  relation          to establishing a statewide database to maintain and track coded ammu-          nition  and  establishing  penalties  for individuals who violate such          provisions; and to amend the state finance law, in relation to  estab-          lishing the ammunition coding system database fund

are you fkn kidding me

Take a hike with that feel good bullsh*t

Quoted: What they really want is to track ammo sales. Get ready to fill out a form with each box you purchase. There really is no end to the insanity, and there's obviously no end to what we will put up with. Face it, 99% of people are sheep - even gun owners.

My take is what they really want is money (the inventors & their lobbyist). A fraction of a cent per round for their 'service' and a couple billion rounds a year adds up pretty quickly. Paying for it with an 'ammo tax' means .gov gets yet another funding source.

The feel-good stuff is just a selling tool for opportunistic legislators to add to their list of 'accomplishments' come election day.

As always, follow the money.

The problem is, there is no way to insert their serial numbering into the normal ammo manufacturing process, and keep track of which numbers are in which boxes.

Email away!

Who the fuck is this spammer and why is he allowed on this site?

I love my smelter.

Quoted: Translation: It's one guy and maybe 3 friends, and some scared housewives who think they're being all "political, and stuff" when they forward emails to other scared housewives. Gun crime victims = Saw a minority with a handgun the other day. Industry Representatives = One chick that works in HR. Law Enforcement = Mall security. Public officials = Cleans toilets for parks & rec. Public  policy experts = Opinionated people like me who post in internet forums.

Yup, that whole idea is dumber then a bag of smashed assholes*.
* Ive been wanting to use that phrase... finally found a place! Woot!

Bump for the WA crew (and other states where they are trying to make this fly:

Sample Legislation: The Ammunition Accountability Act California, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Mississippi, New York, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Washington.

http://ammunitionaccountability.com/ < Link left cold, look under 'legislation'

keep digging, you are giving us great intel

thanks, but the guys in the affected states need to understand what these knuckleheads are trying to do and get on their legislators backs.

What they are looking for is a toehold.

SO ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY TO THESE JOKERS!



Patient the way to stamp the bullets, and push laws to make the bullets need the stamp.

clearly, we now need a bill making it illegal for a person to remove their spent casings from a crime scene.

i wonder if i could get any of my state reps to sponsor.

just read the PA bill introduced Feb 5. proposed tax is 5 cents per round. NOT .005. also a partial tax deduction/refund of the tax back to the collectors. as compensation for the effort of collecting.

when the concept is utterly absurd, a little organized, legal, bribery never hurts.

a new level of self serving shtibag has been acheived.


for merrells  outstanding work.

E-mail was just sent to Maria Cantwell w/ box checked to request a reply.
Merrell, thank you for all of this info.
Trevor
eta - Should I get in contact with everyone? (district legislators, US rep, and both Senators?)
I should have copied my last e-mail damnit.
etax2 - nevermind. I just sent one to all.

They now have a map up listing all the states they are going after.

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm

Help Pass the Ammunition Accountability Act The 2008 Legislative session has begun, and the Ammunition Accountability Act is being introduced across the country. Below is a summary of legislation that has been introduced throughout the United States.  As more states introduce legislation, we can help each other gain support and make ammunition coding technology a reality.  You can help us pass legislation in your state.  Contact us at act(at)ammunitionaccountability.com. Sample Legislation: The Ammunition Accountability Act http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/Ammo%20Accountability%20-%20Sample%20Legislation.pdf Arizona, California, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Mississippi, New York, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Washington.

Will post a heads-up in each HTF with a link to this thread. Suspect they are using the regular anti- ninnies in each state to introduce the legislation (I know for a fact that is the case with at least one representative in PA) - open for ideas on who to contact: the moderates? (who might not be aware this is a $$$ scheme being pushed by two entrepreneurs and their lobbyist)


Here's what they have listed so far (with links after each)



2008 Legislation
Arizona:
Arizona House Bill 2833 - http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/48leg/2r/bills/hb2833p.pdf

California:
California Senate Bill 997 (Carried Over from 2007) - http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_997&sess=CUR&house=B&author=ridley-thomas

Hawaii
Hawaii House Bill 2392 - http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2008/Bills/HB2392_.htm
Hawaii Senate Bill 2020 - http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2008/Bills/SB2020_.htm
Hawaii Senate Bill 2076 - http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2008/Bills/SB2076_.htm
Hawaii House Resolution 82-07 (Carried Over from 2007) - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/HI%20HR%2082-07.pdf
Hawaii Concurrent Resolution 104-06 (Carried Over from 2007) - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/HI%20HCR%20104-07.pdf

Illinois
Illinois House Bill 4258 - http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4258&GAID=9&GA=95&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=34701&SessionID=51
Illinois House Bill 4259 - http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4259&GAID=9&GA=95&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=34703&SessionID=51
Illinois House Bill 4269 - http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4269&GAID=9&GA=95&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=34734&SessionID=51
Illinois House Bill 4349 - http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4349&GAID=9&GA=95&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=34853&SessionID=51
Illinois Senate Bill 1095 (Carried Over from 2007) - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/IL%20SB%201095.pdf

Indiana
Indiana House Bill 1260 - http://www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?year=2008&session=1&request=getBill&docno=1260

Maryland
Maryland House Bill 517 - http://mlis.state.md.us/2008RS/billfile/hb0517.htm

Mississippi
Mississippi Senate Bill 2286 - http://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/2008/pdf/history/SB/SB2286.xml

New York
New York House Bill 6920 (Carried Over from 2007) - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/NY%20HB%206920.pdf
New York House Bill 7300 (Carried Over from 2007) - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/NY%20HB%207300.pdf
New York Senate Bill 1177 (Carried Over from 2007) - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/NY%20SB%201177.pdf
New York Senate Bill 3731 (Carried Over from 2007) - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/NY%20SB%203731.pdf

Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania House Bill - http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF&sessYr=2007&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=2228&pn=3188

Tennessee
Tennessee House Bill 3245 - http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/
Tennessee Senate Bill 3395 - http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/bills/currentga/BILL/SB3395.pdf

Washington
Washington House Bill 3359 - http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2007-08/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/3359.pdf



2007 Legislation - No surprises here, look at the states they targeted:
California Senate Bill 997 - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/CA%20SB%20997.pdf
Hawaii House Resolution 82-07 - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/HI%20HR%2082-07.pdf
Hawaii Concurrent Resolution 104-06  - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/HI%20HCR%20104-07.pdf
Illinois Senate Bill 1095  - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/IL%20SB%201095.pdf
Maryland House Bill 1393 - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/Maryland%20Legislation%20HB%201393.pdf
New York House Bill 6920 - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/NY%20HB%206920.pdf
New York House Bill 7300 - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/NY%20HB%207300.pdf
New York Senate Bill 1177 - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/NY%20SB%201177.pdf
New York Senate Bill 3731 - http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/2007/NY%20SB%203731.pdf



Note that they are making their biggest pushes in Hawaii, Illinois & New York, not really surprising given the respective political climates.

This is backdoor gun control legislation at its most insidious. Take a look at the bills and identify who is introducing & supporting them in YOUR state. Put up the results in this thread or your HTF. Let others know who is involved in this. Don't let them get started with this nonsense.

I would guess that the lobbyist wrote the 'sample legislation' and then sent it out to likely supporters in EVERY state, who did little more than a cut & paste and introduced it as their own idea.

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/Ammo%20Accountability%20-%20Sample%20Legislation.pdf - download & save a copy of this (sample legislation from their site) and compare it to the bills introduced in YOUR state.

Make a note to other legislators that you REALLY REALLY DISLIKE lobbyists from DC writing YOUR STATE'S LAWS.

Oh yeah, check out the note at the end of that sample legislation suggesting who can help drafting this legislation.

Hint: look halfway down this page

Have posted links in HTF's, up to you guys now.

I read through some of the proposed legislation in the various states, and it is AMAZING that these elected officials will take canned legislation from a lobbyist and submit it as their own.

Here's just one example:

Bill from Tennessee

Now compare it to the 'sample legislation' from the lobbying organization:

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation/Ammo%20Accountability%20-%20Sample%20Legislation.pdf   <<< leave link cold, download it and compare it to the legislation being pushed in your state.

For even more hilarity, when you find a close match, forward that scoop to your local newspaper (no left wing rags, thank you) and prod them to do an expose on elected officials as stooges and pawns of lobbyists, incapable of composing sentient legislation without a fill in the blank form. Be creative!

Start a file on this stuff for your state, and anytime you see something interesting, snag a copy of it and squirrel it away for future reference. This stuff disappears sometimes.