Eat shit. American money should only go to illegals.

The Funding Gap mentioned in the OP subject line?
That topic?

Why do you believe the Ukrianian people should not be allowed to choose for themselves where to align?

Instead of pork bills, congress should create specific funding bills.

It will never happen.

You hate the west, so you can't claim to be a child of the west. You hate the west, because you stand for imperialism, authoritarianism, and wars of aggression and conquest which are contrary to the American values you falsely claim to support.

You're asking why the FSB was pushing to break up Ukraine after Russia's puppet abdicated and fled Kyiv back to Russia? Seriously?



Apparently, arfcom has earned a better grade of Russian troll, with greater facility with the English language. BTW, 'egalitarianism' is 100% an original American value - that every person should have an equal opportunity to make something of themselves, that all should be treated equally under the law, no aristocracy who get special treatment.

Why do you think the American people should fund the Ukrainian people?

I don't. I think we should have been sending them shiploads of armaments to fight off the invaders. If that had been done timely and in real quantity, it would have made a difference in the war.

Why do we care about Ukraine when we didn't gaf about Chechnya or any of the other former eastern bloc nations Russia invaded?

Imho it's because of the kickback machine that is Ukraine + biolabs we had there.

They have a real threat to worry about, the open invasion of the 3rd world swamping the first

The time to do that was to sell them before the war as a deterrent. The calculus has changed since then.

Fuck Ukraine and Zelensky.
Fuck Russia and Putin.

I'm over it, and I'm tired of seeing our tax dollars sent to prop up other countries.

No they didnt.

Pretty much my stance as well. We know good and well this money the US has given them is being fleeced by the ruling class.

* Monica gif *.

I am?

Or maybe it's due to geography, size and resources of population, and what Russia gets out of it if they do take it over.

Sucks for chechnya, but ukraine is way more important and way easier to supply.

Ahhh, more Kremlin talking points…

Lame

Zelenski is a bum.

Trump is an idiot.

Biden is a bigger idiot.

I am even a bigger idiot for handing over part of my money to fund them all.

the biolabs were Russian, and they were in the process of being carefully decommissioned after the fall of the soviet union.  the scientists who were once employed in those facilities left because their salaries evaporated.  meanwhile,  the upper management of the KGB were scheming.  they bought up all of the former state enterprises for pennies on the dollar or nothing at all.  the only task they had left was how to keep the people enslaved.  voila,  install one of them as the head of the newly minted orthodox church. kirill is the richest priest on the planet,  with limos, yachts, and property plus unknown cash accounts.  to a degree,  some of the population are aware of the gross theft but the cruel hand of the state will send them to prison if they speak out.  russia is essentially back to square one where they were back in the cold war.

Zelenskyy should establish the Ukraine Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, file for 501(c)(3) status, and sell yard signs to virtue signaling Americans.

Good thing Clinton convinced them to give up their nucs and promised protection from Russia.  Typical democrat foreign policy fuck up.
https://nypost.com/2023/04/05/bill-clinton-regrets-having-ukraine-give-up-nuclear-weapons/

Four of the eight wealthiest nations on the planet are in Europe, including #3, so there is plenty of cash right at home to deal with Russia’s clunker military.

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Really now.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5005055/user-clip-biolabs-confirmed-ukraine


Also kickbacks here:  https://apnews.com/article/hunter-biden-burisma-ukraine-congress-grassley-d373e943f3b9e860843626b4355e5321

The only good Russia is a radioactive hole in the earth. Ditto for the ones supporting it.

Why are you commie shillin' again?

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Great!   All the more reason not to cow-tow to Putin, surrendering to his every whim.     America can honor our promises, at a very affordable cost.   37,000,000 vs. less than $2,000,000!   And I’m not even including the smaller countries who have all been very generous.  

We would be abject idiots and irredeemable cowards to give up now.

X10

@Dagoth-Ur
Do you? You have been making quite the assumptions in this thread.

Want me to assume how you would answer that question?

The UK is the 6th wealthiest nation on the planet and hasn’t approved any new lethal military aid to Ukraine since 23 JUL 2023. Also, the UK’s military spending, as a % of GDP, went down from 2.22% in 2022 to 2.07% in 2023.

If only the Eurotrash were as concerned with Russia’s clunker military as GD’s UkeBros.

Lies.

The economy is back to pre Biden levels and there is deficit spending.

Not approving any aid to Ukraine has fixed that.

Great job guys, we solved it all.

Zelensky was a fool to listen to leaders in a country that's 34 trillion in debt.  I think that sums it up.

Incorrect.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9914/CBP-9914.pdf

Those are deliveries of what was approved 23 JUL 2023. Here’s the 20 FEB 2024 update.

House of Commons

I realize being the CINCUAFIGD is time consuming, but if you would have read down far enough in your own link, you would have seen the summation. Pay close attention to the word “new” in the titles.

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How is that any different from giving them cash? Do you think arms are free?

Just here to remind everyone that Zelensky was an actor and comedian who played the president of Ukraine, not that long ago.

What?  Have you not seen US foreign policy of the last 30 years?

This can only end ina few ways. The best way, the way I would like to see it happen, which is everyone goes all in and destroys Russia by killing every man woman and child like in the Old Testament. We divide it up and spilt the spoils of war and pay off all debt. We all know that’s not going to happen so that leave us with the other three.

Zelenskyy can fold up shop and surrender to Russia.

We can allow the government to funnel money in to Ukraine to be laundered back to the president, his family, the senate and congress and all their friends until it just to costly and America fold up shop with another loss.

I don't like Russia or putin


But 1 aid package was the size of my states annual budget...1 package

There never would be an end in sight

This country started fading monetarily when we decided we were going to get into prolonged conflicts and kill thousands of our young men

Yup, and he's Jewish too.  Perfect to throw everyone off because Ukrainians are literally Nazis.  I know this because of that one guys tattoos.

They chose to align themselves with crooked democRat politicians.  It's over.  Move on and live with your erroneous decisions.

"Zelenskyy, you can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You fucked up... you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it!"

This post fails at basic facts. Real retarded.

They are the same morons who believed Hitler's bullshit that his invasions were to defend "German speakers".

Birds of a feather, flock together

Great question.   It’s by far, the most destructive and polarizing issue to hit the Republican party, since WW-II.

Here’s my observations, based on reading nearly all the threads.  

First,
There are a handful of actual Russian trolls*.    They are easily able manipulate unsuspecting members, because there are a great many people on the Right, who are scared, disenfranchised, anti-government, and burnt out on war.  The grievances they have are 100% legitimate and rational.  The hatred they have for Biden and company, is righteous and true.
Thus, they are highly susceptible to skilled propaganda.  
Propaganda which has been wielded for decades.




On the other side, you have traditional Reagan Republicans who see America’s global responsibilities as essential to maintaining a measure of order and justice in the world.   In addition, maintaining the status-quo of the world is understood to be not only a moral issue, but also an economic necessity.  

There are other factions of course.  

- Arfcom has always had a big Libertarian population, who will be dedicated Isolationists by default.  

- In addition, we’ve always been home to the Prepper/Survivalist types, who are terrified at the prospect of Nuclear Armageddon.  

- There are two generations now, who never even considered the fact that Russia was still a threat.   It’s kinda silly in retrospect, because the prospect of accidental Nuclear annihilation was always there, but we all preferred to ignore it.     We see a version of this in almost every thread:  “You cold war boomers have gotta get over it, the USSR is gone, Russia is our Friend ”.

- There are some who have family ties to Russia, and many more who were taken in by Putin’s carefully crafted image as a strong leader, and defender of traditional Christian Morality.    (Which is an obvious and blatant lie of course), but the people co-opted by this fantasy can not let go of it.   Their hatred and fear of the NWO, WEF, etc, is just too great.  
For them to realize that their savior is actually an evil megalomaniac, as bad as Soros with Nukes, would remove all hope.    

To sum it up; every Conservative minded American is justifiably scared and angry.   The Kremlin message is very seductive.  It resonates with all of us:   “We are your friends!   The real enemy is Your Own Government!   Why risk everything, for the corrupt and degenerate Ukraine?   …Just give us what we want, and all will be right with the world again…”.    

Essentially, many of us are so desperate to hang onto any shred of hope, that we would happily jettison Ukraine and all of our Allies, in the forlorn hope, that it would magically fix 70 years of deficit spending.  

The mathematical fact that it wouldn’t help at all, is a concept which is literally too terrible to contemplate.  

Hope it helps. It’s a phenomenon which has been as interesting, as it is disturbing.

Canada here to lend a hand..

Yeah. Well "America First" was originally a pro-Nazi movement headed by Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh. It is history is rhyming.

Have you heard of Storm Shadow?    Look it up.   “List of Storm shadow successes in Ukraine”

Also, it’s very likely that Britain had a big hand in the Naval drone successes.  

They have also trained thousands of troops.  

Literally nobody has accused them of not doing enough.    Putin himself has cited them again and again.   Threatening to “flood their tiny island with a nuclear tidal wave…”.