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Originally Posted By bigbore: Man, just when I though nothing could surprise me... The gun expert said he read my deposition and Zohn's deposition and that Zohn is telling the truth. He didn't give an expert opinion based on anything other than the deposition of a convicted felon. All he did was pass judgment against me. View Quote Holy shit The depravity of people knows no bounds Honor is gone from most people |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Man, just when I though nothing could surprise me... The gun expert said he read my deposition and Zohn's deposition and that Zohn is telling the truth. He didn't give an expert opinion based on anything other than the deposition of a convicted felon. All he did was pass judgment against me. View Quote I don't know what the rules of evidence say about this, but in my opinion the expert witness should not be able to form an opinion on secondary source material, only from what he is told by the attorneys on both sides while both are present. Zohn's testimony is no more than half useful due to his memory of the day, and his physical and mental condition puts the rest into question. This is the reason I asked earlier about whether this expert witness had read the depositions. |
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Originally Posted By AeroE: I don't know what the rules of evidence say about this, but in my opinion the expert witness should not be able to form an opinion on secondary source material, only from what he is told by the attorneys on both sides while both are present. Zohn's testimony is no more than half useful due to his memory of the day, and his physical and mental condition puts the rest into question. This is the reason I asked earlier about whether this expert witness had read the depositions. View Quote No kidding. here are my notes from this morning. I'll say they are 90% word for word accurate: You are obviously forming conclusions that are contrary Mr thompsonss testimony, correct? Agreed What do you base that on? Jerry Zohn’s deposition. What did he say in his deposition that gives you a basis to disbelieve Steve as to what went on during the gun sale? Based on things like strange dynamic Do you have any clue at all what he meant by that? He was very limiting in what he told the police. I can’t speak to the mind of steven thompson. Are you aware of the age difference between Zohn and Roebke? I don’t know what that has to do with anything but no. In your mind would a substantial age difference be a strange dynamic? Could be. Did you interview the police to find out anything about ADCOS reputation in the community? No. Did you have any information to support the belief that adco has ever been involved in a straw purchase? I have no information In this report you obviously conclude that Allison roebke handled the gun in adco, correct? I did You understand mr thompson says that is not true? Yes But yet you choose to believe mr zohn over mr thompson on that point, correct? Yes Why? Based on the information in Zohn’s deposition. And you have no information other than zohns deposition correct? None that I'm aware of. And you also choose to believe Allison handed money to Steve, even though Steve says that is not true? That is correct. Why? Based on the testimony of jerry zohn. In your report you talk about helper signals, what’s that? She helped him select, pointed out, gave advice on what gun to buy. Do you know if any of that took place? No. And you mention body language signals in your report, what are those? Eye contact, eye rolling, motions, hand signals. Do you know if any of that happened? I have no idea. You also mention gut feeling in your report, what’s that? Gut feeling is something I train people on every day. Odd, not normal, red flag signals, causes of hesitation. Do you know if any of that was involved in this sale? I have no idea. Do you know how many sales mr thompson has stopped whe he thought something was fishy? No. Do you have any idea how many times mr thompson reported suspicious sale attempt to the police? No. Do you know how long mr thompson has been selling gun? I have no idea. Do you have any idea how many gun sales he has a year? No idea You choose to disbelieve the sworn testimony of mr thompson, correct? Yes. Why do you choose to believe the testimony of mr. zohn over mr thompson? Based on the review of zohns deposition. Im asking why, because what zohn said and mr thompson said are diametrically opposed. I believe mr thompson was in the earlier depositions and tailored his testimony. How are you offering an expert opinion but all you are doing it choosing to believe one person over another? I read at the testimony of Zohn that was provide to me. Other than the fact that you choose to believe Zohn over Thompson what do you base it on? The information provided to me in Zohns deposition. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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I guess I just don't know much about this type of thing.
Why is a gun expert testifying about who is or is not telling the truth? Is he some sort of human polygraph machine? |
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Originally Posted By TN-MadDog: I guess I just don't know much about this type of thing. Why is a gun expert testifying about who is or is not telling the truth? Is he some sort of human polygraph machine? View Quote I was also wondering this. Doesn't seem to have any actual gun expertise to be testifying to |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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I wonder how much the expert is being paid for"his" opinion.
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Correct. Nothing about this guy meets the Daubert Standard in this case. The judge should kick him to the curb. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By Freakinout: I was also wondering this. Doesn't seem to have any actual gun expertise to be testifying to Correct. Nothing about this guy meets the Daubert Standard in this case. The judge should kick him to the curb. With this judge any clown who's against you will be allowed to testify I suspect |
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Originally Posted By Freakinout: With this judge any clown who's against you will be allowed to testify I suspect View Quote It will be hard to keep this guy. Not only does he suck, but this isn't even a case that an expert can bring anything to. That's why I don't have any expert witnesses on my side. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: It will be hard to keep this guy. Not only does he suck, but this isn't even a case that an expert can bring anything to. That's why I don't have any expert witnesses on my side. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By Freakinout: With this judge any clown who's against you will be allowed to testify I suspect It will be hard to keep this guy. Not only does he suck, but this isn't even a case that an expert can bring anything to. That's why I don't have any expert witnesses on my side. Would be hard to bring anybody with more experience than you to this case, on either side. |
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Originally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades: CA FFLs are having to deal with this right now. new law goes into effect on Jan 1 where they have to do the following: And this applies to home-based FFLs as well. IIRC, it was mentioned on a podcast that it was costing one chain (I assumed Turner's) ten's of thousands of dollars to set up a compliant system for just one of their stores. edit: it was actually in the GOA press release, and if it is Turner's, they have 34 locations in the state. that could be 5-10 million to comply with the law. View Quote or, a storage company who is owned by the Speaker's son. |
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Is this the gun store "expert" that worked iirc @ 6 months in a gun store?
I can't imagine being an "expert" at anything in that short of time. Except some random guy's opinion of what might have happened during the sale. They might as well grab someone out of the hallway and use them as an "expert". Will the lawyers bring any evidence of you refusing, questioning, or reporting refusals (if there were even any instances to refuse)? Hope they bust this bs case up. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Hell yeah Brother!
eta: did this "expert" actually do FFL paperwork (actual FFL sale) or just the guy unloading boxes and putting it on the shelf? Small shop or big box store? |
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I'm just a poor, but I ordered one of your Top thingies. Hope it helps.
Also, that "expert" is retarded lol. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Im asking why, because what zohn said and mr thompson said are diametrically opposed. I believe mr thompson was in the earlier depositions and tailored his testimony. How are you offering an expert opinion but all you are doing it choosing to believe one person over another? I read at the testimony of Zohn that was provide to me. Other than the fact that you choose to believe Zohn over Thompson what do you base it on? I'm getting paid $200 per hour to be a Brady shill. View Quote Fixed. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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That is insane that 1) anyone would embarrass themselves like that, and 2) even a scum attorney didn't know not to use such "expert" testimony like this.
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Originally Posted By blueheeler426: Hell yeah Brother! eta: did this "expert" actually do FFL paperwork (actual FFL sale) or just the guy unloading boxes and putting it on the shelf? Small shop or big box store? View Quote He was a clerk that sold guns at a gun store in North Tonawanda, NY for a little over 1 year. He never had an FFL himself. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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So can the judge basically not allow this clowns testimony when your lawyers show he is not an “expert?”
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Originally Posted By whiskerz: He sold guns in a state that bans many guns and requires a permit and state approval for a handgun. WTF. View Quote He's a real piece of work alright. Truly a legend in his own mind. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By craig24680: Holy shit Guess that "expert" thinks suicide only exists with guns Guess they should rip down all those suicide nets off bridges then... View Quote With all that said.......I am waiting for the 87 bazillion lawsuits to all the auto dealers where the family sues them because they sold a vehicle and a relative died. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: He's a real piece of work alright. Truly a legend in his own mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6x94gDo2Es View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By whiskerz: He sold guns in a state that bans many guns and requires a permit and state approval for a handgun. WTF. He's a real piece of work alright. Truly a legend in his own mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6x94gDo2Es From that.....this guy below is the "expert" that believes a convicted felon over your testimony From his website (not hotlinked to give it clicks= ichasethewolves.com): "Dan is a US Army Veteran, a former Law Enforcement Officer and Detective, Firearms and Tactics Instructor, Adjunct Instructor, Protection Specialist, Regional Security Trainer, Martial Artist and an International Security Consultant. His 'Chase The Wolf' book series, lectures and radio shows warns us about; real world threats, as well as the dangers that exists from the wolves of our society that brings terror, violence and harm to all of us including; our families, communities, tribes, cities, states and especially to our world governments!" If this is "that guy"...he is trying to get his name out there to sell his shit. Part of the real threat to this country is douche bags like the "experts" testimony that lie to throw others under the bus for their own reward. Would just like to clarify this is the right guy but from 87 seconds of research it seems this is the case, I think you mentioned it before but just like to clarify for 100% match. Funny how they never ask all these experts if her father hadn't abused her do you think she would have fewer and possibly no phycological problems that she would still be alive today? |
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RIP CeCe and FCSD you will be missed
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Originally Posted By Scoobysmak: If this is "that guy"...he is trying to get his name out there to sell his shit. Part of the real threat to this country is douche bags like the "experts" testimony that lie to throw others under the bus for their own reward. Would just like to clarify this is the right guy but from 87 seconds of research it seems this is the case, I think you mentioned it before but just like to clarify for 100% match. View Quote I have nothing to say, confirm or deny about that guy until the judge removes him. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By blueheeler426: Is this the gun store "expert" that worked iirc @ 6 months in a gun store? I can't imagine being an "expert" at anything in that short of time. Except some random guy's opinion of what might have happened during the sale. They might as well grab someone out of the hallway and use them as an "expert". Will the lawyers bring any evidence of you refusing, questioning, or reporting refusals (if there were even any instances to refuse)? Hope they bust this bs case up. View Quote I worked in sewer rehab and maintenance for 14 years. Even after all that time I never considered myself an expert because I was learning new stuff daily. |
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Originally Posted By esdunbar: That is insane that 1) anyone would embarrass themselves like that, and 2) even a scum attorney didn't know not to use such "expert" testimony like this. View Quote Holy shit. I spent last night reading up on Daubert and Frye standards. This "expert" doesn't even come close in any regard. He has no formal education beyond a high school diploma. He is far from an "expert" on anything. He provides no connection to any evidence, he's not clarifying anything that is considered confusing to a jury, there is no way to verify his methods on which he is basing his opinions. Don't get me started on peer reviewed... Why would they even put this moron out there? |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Holy shit. I spent last night reading up on Daubert and Frye standards. This "expert" doesn't even come close in any regard. He has no formal education beyond a high school diploma. He is far from an "expert" on anything. He provides no connection to any evidence, he's not clarifying anything that is considered confusing to a jury, there is no way to verify his methods on which he is basing his opinions. Don't get me started on peer reviewed... Why would they even put this moron out there? View Quote Being a gun-tuber makes you an expert on who is lying on an affidavit |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Holy shit. I spent last night reading up on Daubert and Frye standards. This "expert" doesn't even come close in any regard. He has no formal education beyond a high school diploma. He is far from an "expert" on anything. He provides no connection to any evidence, he's not clarifying anything that is considered confusing to a jury, there is no way to verify his methods on which he is basing his opinions. Don't get me started on peer reviewed... Why would they even put this moron out there? View Quote Have you asked your attorneys why they didn't eviscerate him during the deposition? It may be because they will file information with the court showing he isn't remotely an expert. And if he actually takes the stand it would be an entertaining few hours to say the least. If this is the best expert the plaintiff can find, good for you. We know he's a self promoting poser, but the jury won't unless defense counsel points out his lack of expertise. |
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Originally Posted By DogtownTom: If this is the best expert the plaintiff can find, good for you. We know he's a self promoting poser, but the jury won't unless defense counsel points out his lack of expertise. View Quote He's the best they have, and he'll never make it in front of a Jury. If he does somehow, it will still be a win for us. I can't wait to read his deposition transcript. I stopped taking notes before my personal attorney started asking questions because it was such a clown show. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By DogtownTom: If this is the best expert the plaintiff can find, good for you. We know he's a self promoting poser, but the jury won't unless defense counsel points out his lack of expertise. View Quote Maybe you can pick out on his resume what makes him an expert qualified to call me a liar in this case? • CEO, Radio, and Tv Talk Show Host – CTW Media Group / CTW Tv Network November 2020 – Present - Asheville, North Carolina • Security Professional – Security Manager / HRC, Client Manager, Field Supervisor, RDO, Patrol Supervisor. Trainer / Instructor - Allied Universal Security Services June 2019 – Present - Asheville, North Carolina • CEO / Chief Instructor & Consultant / Self Employed – TAP3X Group of Companies /Tango3Global May 2012 – Present – Lewiston NY & Fletcher, North Carolina • Operations Generalist, Forklift Driver, Truck / Delivery Driver – Single Source Industrial Solutions July 2015 – October 2016 – Fletcher, North Carolina • TV & Radio Talk Show Host - "Put It On Target" Radio and TV Shows, Chase The Wolf Radio Show May 2014 – Present – Hendersonville / Fletcher, North Carolina • Broker (Hunting & Fishing) - Put it on Target Sportsman Adventures October 2013 – 2014 – New York & Hendersonville, North Carolina • Gun Sales, Range Safety Officer, Firearms Instructor – Niagara Gun Range October 2013 – June 2014 – North Tonawanda, New York • Business Partner - Accurate Freedom 1 Semi-Automatic Hunting Rifle, LLC August 2013 – July 2014 - Virginia and North Carolina, USA • Executive Vice President, Senior Editor and Radio Talk Show Host - The Shooting Channel March 2013 – May 2014 - Studio Offices North - New York, USA (Contract) • Director of Operations - AFI International Group, Inc November 2010 – May 2012 - Milton Ontario Canada (Contract) • Project Coordinator / Manager/ Security Consultant – IMAC 2010 - 2012 – USA (Contract) • Owner & Director of Training - Jade Dragon Martial Arts Academy 1975 - 2012 - USA / Canada (Martial Artist since 1965) • Director of Operations, General Manager, EP, DHS Security Contractor – CSS USA and CSS Global Protection Group January 2007 – November 2009 – USA (Contract) • Field Supervisor / Evidence Coordinator/ Executive Protection Specialist Special Response Corporation 2005 – 2007 – USA (Contract) • Retired - Canada 2000 – 2005 • Sales Associate / Operations Manager / Customer Service Manager Circuit City Stores, Inc. – Fort Myers Fla. & Naples Fla. 1996 - 1999 • Sales Associate / Store Manager (2 Stores) Radio Shack (A Tandy Corporation) – Savannah Ga. / Calhoun Ga. 1993 – 1996 • Reserve Police Officer, Police Officer, Detective, Master Firearms Instructor & Range Master, SWAT, EMT, P.O.S.T. Police Academy Instructor, In-Service Instructor 1983 - 1992 – Leesville, La. PD, Chatham County, Ga. PD, Georgia P.O.S.T • Combat Arms Soldier, Drill Sergeant (Reserves), Small Arms Instructor, Armorer, Sr. Weapons Technical Advisor (SETAF) 1977 – 1986 US Army & US Army Reserves - USA, Europe, Middle East |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Well, he did drive a forklift.
Everyone knows thats just a few letters away from forked tongue. |
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Plano, Texas...........the Gun Nut Capitol of Gun Culture, USA
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HO-LEE FUK. That guy was a Leesville cop when I was at FT Polk. That alone speaks volumes.
What is this guy's supposed area of expertise? ETA: How do you go from 10yrs military, 10yrs cop to deciding to manage electronics stores? |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: HO-LEE FUK. That guy was a Leesville cop when I was at FT Polk. That alone speaks volumes. What is this guy's supposed area of expertise? ETA: How do you go from 10yrs military, 10yrs cop to deciding to manage electronics stores? View Quote For some people their resume is the best reason not to hire them. His is a lifetime of failure. |
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Plano, Texas...........the Gun Nut Capitol of Gun Culture, USA
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I have personally witnessed legit experts in my field get kicked out from testifying as the Judge deemed them to not be expert enough. This clown is a fucking joke and they should be embarrassed to even present this guy as a witness.
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Originally Posted By bigbore: He's a real piece of work alright. Truly a legend in his own mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6x94gDo2Es View Quote This guy after he visits the sperm bank: |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Holy shit. I spent last night reading up on Daubert and Frye standards. This "expert" doesn't even come close in any regard. He has no formal education beyond a high school diploma. He is far from an "expert" on anything. He provides no connection to any evidence, he's not clarifying anything that is considered confusing to a jury, there is no way to verify his methods on which he is basing his opinions. Don't get me started on peer reviewed... Why would they even put this moron out there? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By esdunbar: That is insane that 1) anyone would embarrass themselves like that, and 2) even a scum attorney didn't know not to use such "expert" testimony like this. Holy shit. I spent last night reading up on Daubert and Frye standards. This "expert" doesn't even come close in any regard. He has no formal education beyond a high school diploma. He is far from an "expert" on anything. He provides no connection to any evidence, he's not clarifying anything that is considered confusing to a jury, there is no way to verify his methods on which he is basing his opinions. Don't get me started on peer reviewed... Why would they even put this moron out there? The process is the punishment |
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Originally Posted By wyorock: I have personally witnessed legit experts in my field get kicked out from testifying as the Judge deemed them to not be expert enough. This clown is a fucking joke and they should be embarrassed to even present this guy as a witness. View Quote After what I've been reading regarding "expert testimony" , I'm amazed the bad guys even offered him up as an expert and are willing to pay him $200 an hour. I bet they shopped my lawsuit around and every "legit" expert with integrity told them to pound sand. This guy is all they could get. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: HO-LEE FUK. That guy was a Leesville cop when I was at FT Polk. That alone speaks volumes. What is this guy's supposed area of expertise? ETA: How do you go from 10yrs military, 10yrs cop to deciding to manage electronics stores? View Quote Bad life choices I'd predict |
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Carry it, shoot it. (repeat forever)
Swing Your Sword |
Originally Posted By Freakinout: Bad life choices I'd predict View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes When your two sales jobs are: Sales Associate / Operations Manager / Customer Service Manager Circuit City Stores, Inc. – Fort Myers Fla. & Naples Fla. 1996 - 1999 Sales Associate / Store Manager (2 Stores) Radio Shack (A Tandy Corporation) – Savannah Ga. / Calhoun Ga. 1993 – 1996 |
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Plano, Texas...........the Gun Nut Capitol of Gun Culture, USA
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