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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:42:47 PM EDT
Well, kaboom might be an overstatement but there's a lesson here for everyone. Read on.
In the 90s, a friend (different friend than the M1-A Kaboom) was shooting his FN FAL Heavy Barrel (a beautiful rifle BTW). I was not there and it doesn't matter anyway. He was shooting offhand, and fired a single round WITHOUT A MAGAZINE IN THE GUN. The case head failed, and launched a large chunk of brass downward thru the empty mag well into his abdomen. It lodged in his kidney (!), requiring emergency surgery. I have no idea what kind of ammo he was shooting. It doesn't matter. Lesson: when shooting a magazine-fed rifle, KEEP A FRIGGING MAGAZINE IN THE GUN. Had there been a mag in his gun, it likely would have absorbed the case head failure and saved a trip the the ER. BTW, the rifle was 100% A-OK. AFAIK he still has it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:43:51 PM EDT
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I thought in the last thread people were upset that the story had no pictures. Why are we doing the same thing here?
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:46:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: I thought in the last thread people were upset that the story had no pictures. Why are we doing the same thing here? 90s and cell phone pics don't mix. You want he should send you a pic of his surgery scar? Or maybe a dick pic? Provide your personal email, I'll see if I can hook you up. 
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:46:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: I thought in the last thread people were upset that the story had no pictures. Why are we doing the same thing here? With the urgency of taking the shooter to the hospital, nobody thought about inventing a phone with a camera. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:46:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: I thought in the last thread people were upset that the story had no pictures. Why are we doing the same thing here? We're just story telling about stuff from 30 years ago that we didn't personally witness. That's all. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:47:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lou_Daks]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: With the urgency of taking the shooter to the hospital, nobody thought about inventing a phone with a camera. I like the way you think. It has a certain logic, sadly lacking in 1/2 of GD. That Bell Curve thing and all. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:47:36 PM EDT
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In 1985 I had a round of Cavim blow up in an HK-91. The gun was fine after cleaning out the remains of the case.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:48:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiskerz: In 1985 I had a round of Cavim blow up in an HK-91. The gun was fine after cleaning out the remains of the case. Wat? No pics?! I don't believe you. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:49:02 PM EDT
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In 1921 a shotgun misfired in the woods.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:49:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: In 1921 a shotgun misfired in the woods. Pic of wood not loading. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:51:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Pic of wood not loading. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: In 1921 a shotgun misfired in the woods. Pic of wood not loading. In 1934 a BAR had a double feed. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: In 1934 a BAR had a double feed. Pics still not loading. I don't believe you. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:56:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Pics still not loading. I don't believe you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: In 1934 a BAR had a double feed. Pics still not loading. I don't believe you. You just have to trust me and I'm going to start a thread about it so others will learn from this tale of woe. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:57:45 PM EDT
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Would a pmag really offer much protection from highly pressured flying metal?
Probably just end up with plastic shards embedded in you as well. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:58:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: You just have to trust me and I'm going to start a thread about it so others will learn from this tale of woe. I only made this thread to rustle your jimmies. Mission accomplished. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:58:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiveMeBackMyBullets: Would a pmag really offer much protection from highly pressured flying metal? Probably just end up with plastic shards embedded in you as well. It would be better than nothing. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:59:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: I only made this thread to rustle your jimmies. Mission accomplished. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: You just have to trust me and I'm going to start a thread about it so others will learn from this tale of woe. I only made this thread to rustle your jimmies. Mission accomplished. So it didn't really happen then? You was just fibbin? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:00:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: So it didn't really happen then? You was just fibbin? These two things are true: 1. It happened. 2. Your jimmies, they got rustled. I consider that a Win-Win. A double win. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:03:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: These two things are true: 1. It happened. 2. Your jimmies, they got rustled. I consider that a Win-Win. A double win. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: So it didn't really happen then? You was just fibbin? These two things are true: 1. It happened. 2. Your jimmies, they got rustled. I consider that a Win-Win. A double win. No rustling occurred. I anxiously await your next thread "Beware the Dangers of 556 in a rifle chambered for 223!" |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:08:34 PM EDT
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TZ surplus from 81 or 83 had all kinds of KB issues for me. I acquired a small pile of it in a slightly larger pile of stuff I bought from a dude that had to get rid of all his gun stuff.
Before I quit shooting it, I had 2 case head failures in my fal and my stepdad had one in his m1a. In both cases, the explosion went out through the magazine, blowing their guts and whatever ammo was left in them all over the ground. No injuries were sustained. Upon closer inspection, a lot of the fired cases has two ~1/8" cracks running rim to mouth maybe 1/2" up from the rim. My stepdad pulled about 100 of them down to start with and found a good number of them had powder that was clumpy. He averaged the charges from a bunch of the non clumpy ones and reduced it by 10% and reassembled the batch and we fired a few hundred of them without issue, so he pulled down and reloaded the rest while he was recovering from a medical issue. I've probably fired 500 that he " fixed " but I still don't trust it to shoot in nicer rifles. Lol |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:21:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: No rustling occurred. I anxiously await your next thread "Beware the Dangers of 556 in a rifle chambered for 223!" You will wait a long time. A verrrry long time. 
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:23:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DFARM: TZ surplus from 81 or 83 had all kinds of KB issues for me. I acquired a small pile of it in a slightly larger pile of stuff I bought from a dude that had to get rid of all his gun stuff. Before I quit shooting it, I had 2 case head failures in my fal and my stepdad had one in his m1a. In both cases, the explosion went out through the magazine, blowing their guts and whatever ammo was left in them all over the ground. No injuries were sustained. Upon closer inspection, a lot of the fired cases has two ~1/8" cracks running rim to mouth maybe 1/2" up from the rim. My stepdad pulled about 100 of them down to start with and found a good number of them had powder that was clumpy. He averaged the charges from a bunch of the non clumpy ones and reduced it by 10% and reassembled the batch and we fired a few hundred of them without issue, so he pulled down and reloaded the rest while he was recovering from a medical issue. I've probably fired 500 that he " fixed " but I still don't trust it to shoot in nicer rifles. Lol Case failures are inevitable, whether you shoot handloads or new ammo. The question is what happens with the 50k psi of gas that results? "Aye, there's the rub." |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:26:56 PM EDT
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Heard about a 10/22 blowing up from a double load so violently it caught the whole town on fire and killed 354 people.
Lesson here is only shoot 22 short. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:27:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lou_Daks]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jkees: Heard about a 10/22 blowing up from a double load so violently it caught the whole town on fire and killed 354 people. Lesson here is only shoot 22 short. A double charge in a 22 short is even worse. Think about it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:30:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: A double charge in a 22 short is even worse. Think about it. Well as long as you are not short it will miss you, so YMMV |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:32:16 PM EDT
[#25]
Remember the FAL aluminum receiver fiasco?
Yeah, that was a dumb idea.  
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:35:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: It lodged in his kidney (!), requiring emergency surgery. Lesson: when shooting a magazine-fed rifle, KEEP A FRIGGING MAGAZINE IN THE GUN. Had there been a mag in his gun, it likely would have absorbed the case head failure and saved a trip the the ER. thank you for that valuable safety lesson. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:25:55 PM EDT
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You didn't @ me to the thread, OP. I @d you to a relevant thread.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:27:08 PM EDT
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OP's previous denunciation of the M14 bolt design:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2719900_M1-A-goes-KABOOM.html |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:56:59 PM EDT
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Moral of the story: Never go shooting with the OP or his friends.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:12:57 PM EDT
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Oh shit, are we telling stories from the 90's?
Fuckin' IN |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:15:10 PM EDT
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Note to self: Never go shooting with Lou. All his shooting buddies have guns blow up.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:16:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jos51700: Oh shit, are we telling stories from the 90's? Fuckin' IN For some people, nothing existed prior to their birth. Which kinda rules out all of human history, dontcha think? I know, history is fo suckkas. Nothing to be learned there. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:16:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lomshek: Note to self: Never go shooting with Lou. All his shooting buddies have guns blow up. Just the M1-A. The FAL was fine. Reading comp and all that jazz. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:18:04 PM EDT
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OP, you could draw a picture. Maybe a cartoon?
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:18:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: OP, you could draw a picture. Maybe a cartoon? Cave painting. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:18:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: OP, you could draw a picture. Maybe a cartoon? I draw word pics. For some, that's a bridge too far. 
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:31:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FightingHellfish]
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:33:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/64501/5A484EB8-C84A-4A26-B05D-9311EEF69EAE_jpe-3191745.JPG You’re welcome Lou. That's actually not bad! |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:46:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/64501/5A484EB8-C84A-4A26-B05D-9311EEF69EAE_jpe-3191745.JPG You’re welcome Lou. Needs more crayon. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 10:48:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Squeefoo: Needs more crayon. I've heard the red ones taste like cherry. Cannot confirm. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 11:07:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: I've heard the red ones taste like cherry. Cannot confirm. Definitely more like raspberry but really not my fav. Lots of grunts like them though so I could always trade for vivid orange. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 12:03:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: That's actually not bad! I had to extrapolate the dialogue. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:02:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:27:10 AM EDT
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Who fucking cares?
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:36:00 AM EDT
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Aren’t the kidneys in your lower back?
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:38:26 AM EDT
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Note to self, don't be friends with OP as they experience gun issues. Check.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:51:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stump70: Aren’t the kidneys in your lower back? OP's friend was practicing trick shots over his shoulder with mirrors. That's why he was single loading. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:56:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stump70: Aren’t the kidneys in your lower back? The back is connected to the front by the middle. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:10:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: The back is connected to the front by the middle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: Originally Posted By Stump70: Aren’t the kidneys in your lower back? The back is connected to the front by the middle. People were built different in the 90s. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:31:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: People were built different in the 90s. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: Originally Posted By Stump70: Aren’t the kidneys in your lower back? The back is connected to the front by the middle. People were built different in the 90s. America was thinner then, the kidneys were more exposed. |
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