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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:33:16 PM EDT
Hmmm... not sure how to view this. It would add stability to have a member country in that part of the world, but it also could mean they would get some more advanced technology. But apparently they would not be full a member in the sense of defending other NATO allies if I read it right.
"BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — Argentina formally requested on Thursday to join NATO as a global partner, a status that would clear the way for greater political and security cooperation at a time when the right-wing government of President Javier Milei aims to boost ties with Western powers and attract investment. The request came as NATO’s Deputy General Secretary Mircea Geoana held talks in Brussels on regional security challenges with visiting Argentine Defense Minister Luis Petri. Geoana said he welcomed Argentina’s bid to become an accredited partner in the alliance — a valued role short of “ally” for nations that are not in NATO’s geographical area and not required to take part in collective military actions. NATO membership is currently limited to countries of Europe, Turkey, Canada and the United States." https://apnews.com/article/president-milei-argentina-nato-f16s-military-bf56ef4b18646438500c921250c66e93 . |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:36:19 PM EDT
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So how is that going to work with the Falkland Islands?
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:37:10 PM EDT
[#2]
Who?...
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:39:19 PM EDT
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In before they fall behind in their required GNP investment in their defense spending.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:39:40 PM EDT
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I really want to visit Argentina soon
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:40:34 PM EDT
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:42:11 PM EDT
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That's not how North works.
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USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:43:03 PM EDT
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Not a member. A "global partner" i.e., not part of the alliance but cooperate in joint exercises and stuff. Mongolia, Colombia, and Pakistan are already NATO global partners. This is a complete nothing burger.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:43:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: In before they fall behind in their required GNP investment in their defense spending. Thats the neat part. 2% of 0 is in fact 0. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: So how is that going to work with the Falkland Islands? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:43:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedKulak: That's not how North works. Maybe they should found their own South Atlantic Treaty Organization, with blackjack and hookers? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:43:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: So how is that going to work with the Falkland Islands? Ooof. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:44:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Maybe they should found their own South Atlantic Treaty Organization, with blackjack and hookers? add Brazil for some cheap yayo |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:44:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: So how is that going to work with the Falkland Islands? The same as Cyprus, probably. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:45:14 PM EDT
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It’s very smart, because Brazil is an economic powerhouse which could easily overwhelm Argentina. America has always maintained the status quo, but if we are done doing that, Argentina needs to be part of a military alliance.
Additionally, it’s a cheap way for Argentina to get the credibility they need to secure more loans to re-boot their economy. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:45:32 PM EDT
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:45:48 PM EDT
[#16]
Be nice to have a decent ally in South America, do we even have any?
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:47:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: Be nice to have a decent ally in South America, do we even have any? Colombia and Panama iirc |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:47:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: So how is that going to work with the Falkland Islands? Their current leader seems to agree with the UK on that issue. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:47:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:47:39 PM EDT
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We should send them a billion dollars.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:47:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: In before they fall behind in their required GNP investment in their defense spending. Yep |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:48:15 PM EDT
[#22]
When they patch in will they wear a nomad rocker?
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:49:21 PM EDT
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They probably have more Germans willing to fight then Germany does.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:49:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: Be nice to have a decent ally in South America, do we even have any? Why don’t we run South America? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:50:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
[#25]
For them to not be in an extremely advantageous position.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:51:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FMJ0311: Why don't we run South America? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:51:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: It's very smart, because Brazil is an economic powerhouse which could easily overwhelm Argentina. America has always maintained the status quo, but if we are done doing that, Argentina needs to be part of a military alliance. Additionally, it's a cheap way for Argentina to get the credibility they need to secure more loans to re-boot their economy. Brazil is going left as fuck, and in an open economic alliance with Russia and China (BRICS). Argentina sees a real threat here. They already deal with illegal Chinese fishing fleets, only a matter of time before it's the PLAN. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:52:57 PM EDT
[#28]
While their current leader makes me optimistic, their history does not.
Let em get a decade or 2 of capitalism and freedom under their belt and then we can talk. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:52:58 PM EDT
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Is this their way of keeping the US from aiding the UK the next time they go after the Falklands?
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:52:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: They probably have more Germans willing to fight then Germany does.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:54:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: I really want to visit Argentina soon |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:54:43 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: For them to not be in an extremely advantageous position. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: Originally Posted By R2point0: Speaking of Turkey and NATO membership, what would it take to kick those Islamist goat fuckers out? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:55:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: We tried that about 120 times now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: Originally Posted By FMJ0311: Why don't we run South America? Yeah, experience proves that it just isn't worth the effort. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:56:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91757/IMG_6321_jpeg-3191654.JPG |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:57:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: So how is that going to work with the Falkland Islands? I think you mean the Malvinas, Sir. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:57:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: So how is that going to work with the Falkland Islands? This. And, what part of ‘North’ am I missing?? However, it ends the whole Falklands thing. They’d actually have to go war with themselves if they attacked again… |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:58:08 PM EDT
[#37]
Will they kick China out of the big base they built in Argentina?
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:58:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedKulak: That's not how North works. It’s north… … of Antarctica. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:59:38 PM EDT
[#39]
Milei is a smart guy.
If he wanted to he could make a ton of money selling weapons to the rest go the world |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 8:59:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Yep, thanks to geography Turkey has NATO by the balls and they know it. They control the Black Sea, occupy NATO's southern flank, and have the closet NATO base to Iran. NATO wouldn't kick them out even if they wanted to. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:00:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Yep, thanks to geography Turkey has NATO by the balls and they know it. They control the Black Sea, occupy NATO's southern flank, and have the closet NATO base to Iran. NATO wouldn't kick them out even if they wanted to. An assumed condition of being a member of NATO is that you are an actual ally of the other members. I'm not sure Turkey qualifies anymore. Not since Erdogan purged the military anyway. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:00:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: In before they fall behind in their required GNP investment in their defense spending. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:01:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Milei is a smart guy. If he wanted to he could make a ton of money selling weapons to the rest go the world What kind of weapons? Old stuff or new stuff? Argentina isn't exactly known as an industrial powerhouse. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:02:17 PM EDT
[#44]
North Atlantic?
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:03:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: I understand all that. But then I ask what's the point of Erdogan isn't going to live up to his end of the bargain? He's pals with Russia, and do you think he would let us base out of Turkey to go after Iran? An assumed condition of being a member of NATO is that you are an actual ally of the other members. I'm not sure Turkey qualifies anymore. Not since Erdogan purged the military anyway. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:04:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riply21: Russia is not very happy with turkey at the moment. Perhaps the Turks should use this oppurtunity to annex the Crimean Peninsula? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:05:11 PM EDT
[#47]
It would be the perfect opportunity to have some air bases down there to counter threats in the Southern hemisphere
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:05:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Perhaps the Turks should use this oppurtunity to annex the Crimean Peninsula? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:06:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperSixOne: Bigger issue: Brazil is going left as fuck, and in an open economic alliance with Russia and China (BRICS). Argentina sees a real threat here. They already deal with illegal Chinese fishing fleets, only a matter of time before it's the PLAN. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperSixOne: Originally Posted By BillofRights: It's very smart, because Brazil is an economic powerhouse which could easily overwhelm Argentina. America has always maintained the status quo, but if we are done doing that, Argentina needs to be part of a military alliance. Additionally, it's a cheap way for Argentina to get the credibility they need to secure more loans to re-boot their economy. Brazil is going left as fuck, and in an open economic alliance with Russia and China (BRICS). Argentina sees a real threat here. They already deal with illegal Chinese fishing fleets, only a matter of time before it's the PLAN. Interesting. Very good point. Argentina is faced with making a decision on which side to ally themselves with. It all comes down to money and resources. I’ve been watching the Chinese fishing fleets plundering the Chilean side. It’s a thing to behold. Sometimes it’s lit up like a huge City down there. Maybe we can get Chile into Nato too. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 9:07:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: I understand all that. But then I ask what's the point of Erdogan isn't going to live up to his end of the bargain? He's pals with Russia, and do you think he would let us base out of Turkey to go after Iran? An assumed condition of being a member of NATO is that you are an actual ally of the other members. I'm not sure Turkey qualifies anymore. Not since Erdogan purged the military anyway. Turkey loves playing both sides, and quite frankly we won't know which side they come down on until the shooting starts. |
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