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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:22:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dragynn: Just so much stuff you can't make without dairy products, and tough to run even a goat or two on an acre. But if you can subsist on mostly chicken, eggs, and veggies, you can make a hella lot of food down in Texas on even half an acre, the growing season is just sooo long, I used to start planting the cold-tolerant stuff in the last week of January. And in November I was still harvesting tomatoes right up until the first freeze. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dragynn: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: I'd always heard the rule of thumb was 1-1.5 acres per adult, but I imagine that includes a shitload of variables concerning crop rotation, loss of some of the crop to weather, insects, and animals, etc. Just so much stuff you can't make without dairy products, and tough to run even a goat or two on an acre. But if you can subsist on mostly chicken, eggs, and veggies, you can make a hella lot of food down in Texas on even half an acre, the growing season is just sooo long, I used to start planting the cold-tolerant stuff in the last week of January. And in November I was still harvesting tomatoes right up until the first freeze. Depending on how big the septic field has to be, I'm hoping to have between a 1.5-3 acre area for crops at the new house. We'll reduce that area if we decide to put in fruit trees, but we'll see what we want to do and how the topography and path of the sun works out once all the trees have leaves on them. Also planning to make a mobile coop for 10-15 chickens, mainly for eggs. I love digging in the dirt and literally eating the fruits of my labor. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:23:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: That was my first thought, but this is going to be in far northeast Austin, up against Plfugerville. There is already a "concept" farm, it gives homeless a tiny home and a garden plot big enough to grow a few tomatoes. I want to know who is going to handle livestock. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: Originally Posted By TexasOutdoorsman: Ssssooooooo......... Weed farms by the airport?  That was my first thought, but this is going to be in far northeast Austin, up against Plfugerville. There is already a "concept" farm, it gives homeless a tiny home and a garden plot big enough to grow a few tomatoes. I want to know who is going to handle livestock. Bugs are easy, and wild caught are preferred. I'll laugh the day someone shows up with big fat dog ticks ready for the grill. I encourage they give them a try. Garden snails are another great option. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:30:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: Playing around with the numbers here, if you figure you need an acre to feed a family for a year, that's going to require a hell of a lot of VERY expensive real estate inside the city limits. Hundreds of acres when you take into account crop rotations. (not considering livestock, I can just see what a disaster say, a dairy operation would be) A look at Zillow shows a regular house lot in the area is 140K. Now, I don't think they are going to find that big a property unless they go the Eminent Domain route and steal it. You might not understand. Those fields are for vineyards to make wine for the new district, hops for artisanal beers, and weed for the interim while waiting for the beer and wine. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:31:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: Playing around with the numbers here, if you figure you need an acre to feed a family for a year, that's going to require a hell of a lot of VERY expensive real estate inside the city limits. Hundreds of acres when you take into account crop rotations. (not considering livestock, I can just see what a disaster say, a dairy operation would be) A look at Zillow shows a regular house lot in the area is 140K. Now, I don't think they are going to find that big a property unless they go the Eminent Domain route and steal it. You’ve made the mistake of thinking this is actually about creating some “sustainable communal utopia.” For the idiots and suckers they’re looking to draw in, sure, but that’s why they’re idiots and suckers. Those morons don’t have the first clue about farming or anything remotely close to it, otherwise they’d be pointing out the same problems. As stated in the OP, the city is looking at sinking $100M into this. Follow the money. The people devising these plans and pulling the strings are going to have a lot of that in their pocket by the time it’s all said and done. In the end? No significant crops will have been grown nor will any significant quantity of people have been fed. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:33:14 PM EDT
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If they plant cotton, the folks can even make clothes.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:39:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: You’ve made the mistake of thinking this is actually about creating some “sustainable communal utopia.” For the idiots and suckers they’re looking to draw in, sure, but that’s why they’re idiots and suckers. Those morons don’t have the first clue about farming or anything remotely close to it, otherwise they’d be pointing out the same problems. As stated in the OP, the city is looking at sinking $100M into this. Follow the money. The people devising these plans and pulling the strings are going to have a lot of that in their pocket by the time it’s all said and done. In the end? No significant crops will have been grown nor will any significant quantity of people have been fed. While this five year plan may not have been as much of a success as anticipated, the commissar has declared it successful! The next five years will be glorious, as it has already been deemed a success! |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:41:14 PM EDT
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Do they plan on starving too? I hope so.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:42:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Southernman077: If they plant cotton, the folks can even make clothes. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:45:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By John-in-austin: Yup, as part of affordable housing initiatives. In order to get the AH stipend you MUST join and participate in the farming community. This supposedly is going to cure "food deserts". How much land this requires per family, (has to be within the city limits) where they are going to get the experience/equipment/supplies or what happens when you DON'T farm the land is not mentioned. Speculation is Austin is going to drop around 100 million to get this up and running. No word on continuing costs. Agrihood. This time they'll finally get Communism right. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:47:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd: They're going to kill all the sparrows next, right? I think that's how this playbook works. If they would learn to eat pigeons and rats it could be a win / win. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:12:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: I'm just curious about where the city is going to get the mules and plows. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: Originally Posted By odiedodi: So they're going to subsidize living expenses for blacks, in exchange for making them work the land? Are they going to enforce it with whips too? I'm just curious about where the city is going to get the mules and plows. Your mindset is incorrect here. Imported African slaves had real value to their owners. Working them hard for as long as possible was the priority for the capital outlay. These neo communists love them some raw Uncle Joe type Stalinism. Quantity over Quality is the name of that game. No power equipment or beasts of burden are wasted here for public works projects. Food, either. That is crazy talk. 100 mile long barge canal sections can be built on very strict production schedules if you have 50,000 expendable souls to work to death. Picks, hammers, shovels and canvas cloth bags can move literal mountains. When one drops dead in a fortnight, just go grab ya two more fresh ones to ensure it'll get done. Uncle Joe more than proved this sound methodology, over and over. Mao and the Lil Kims followed suit. Free cattle are of less value than purchased chattel. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:18:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HammerHammer: You realistically need about four to five very efficiently planned acres to feed a whole family for a year, at minimum. And that’s assuming they know anything about farming and livestock. No. The only thing needed is a 50'x 50' plot for photo ops. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:20:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRealBluedog: Sounds like slavery to me. With extra steps. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:24:19 PM EDT
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Can’t wait fir the return of Lysenkoism, lol!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 2:26:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tsg68]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Southernman077: If they plant cotton, the folks can even make clothes. The Democrats want their plantation back… Can we sing spirituals or is that cultural appropriation? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 10:14:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flysc: No. The only thing needed is a 50'x 50' plot for photo ops. Which i am betting is the most likely outcome. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 10:33:26 PM EDT
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So Cambodia again?
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 10:39:44 PM EDT
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Is it time to purge 30% of the population yet and enslave/imprison another 40%?
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:03:49 PM EDT
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That's got old hippie written all over it.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:29:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: The Democrats want their plantation back… Can we sing spirituals or is that cultural appropriation? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: Originally Posted By Southernman077: If they plant cotton, the folks can even make clothes. The Democrats want their plantation back… Can we sing spirituals or is that cultural appropriation? 
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:36:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9divdoc: so who will they invade to steal the fruits of their labor when theirs is kaput? Biden will give them the fruits of another's labor Commies looking out for each other...fleece their neighbor's plus 10% for the big guy. It's probably about 17-18% by now. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: You’ve made the mistake of thinking this is actually about creating some “sustainable communal utopia.” For the idiots and suckers they’re looking to draw in, sure, but that’s why they’re idiots and suckers. Those morons don’t have the first clue about farming or anything remotely close to it, otherwise they’d be pointing out the same problems. As stated in the OP, the city is looking at sinking $100M into this. Follow the money. The people devising these plans and pulling the strings are going to have a lot of that in their pocket by the time it’s all said and done. In the end? No significant crops will have been grown nor will any significant quantity of people have been fed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: Originally Posted By John-in-austin: Playing around with the numbers here, if you figure you need an acre to feed a family for a year, that's going to require a hell of a lot of VERY expensive real estate inside the city limits. Hundreds of acres when you take into account crop rotations. (not considering livestock, I can just see what a disaster say, a dairy operation would be) A look at Zillow shows a regular house lot in the area is 140K. Now, I don't think they are going to find that big a property unless they go the Eminent Domain route and steal it. You’ve made the mistake of thinking this is actually about creating some “sustainable communal utopia.” For the idiots and suckers they’re looking to draw in, sure, but that’s why they’re idiots and suckers. Those morons don’t have the first clue about farming or anything remotely close to it, otherwise they’d be pointing out the same problems. As stated in the OP, the city is looking at sinking $100M into this. Follow the money. The people devising these plans and pulling the strings are going to have a lot of that in their pocket by the time it’s all said and done. In the end? No significant crops will have been grown nor will any significant quantity of people have been fed. There will be a bumper crop of corruption. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:45:02 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRealBluedog: Sounds like slavery to me. They can choose not to participate. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:45:57 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: So they're going to subsidize living expenses for blacks, in exchange for making them work the land? Are they going to enforce it with whips too? You’re not real up to date on the ethnic makeup of Austin |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:48:17 PM EDT
[#25]
Man that used to be such a great fucking city. It had it all. Sad.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:49:47 PM EDT
[#26]
Making them do something to get free shit is better than not making them do anything to get free shit.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:50:55 PM EDT
[#27]
So they are going to be tenant farmers?
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: The city council is hiring a bunch of hippies from a California commune as farming consultants. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: Originally Posted By Taft:  out of  The city council is hiring a bunch of hippies from a California commune as farming consultants. When I was with the fire department we ran a call at a local commune. Turned into a mass casualty event. Over 10 people went to the hospital with what turned out to be organic phosphate poisoning that they got from picking wild mushrooms and adding them to the salad served at that night’s communal dinner. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 6:23:18 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Like_Button: As someone who plants with a push seeder from South Korea, there isn’t a way in hell they’re going to make immigrants and black folks work the government plantation. Well for the black folk, they're already living in the Democrat's plantation, so is it really such a stretch?  Tell 'em you can vote Democrat at least 10 times, or work in this here collective farm, your choice. Else we cut off the free shit we've been giving you to keep you dependent.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 6:24:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AA717driver]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goosemaster: So more of this?  https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.f7b47a4a7ffef0fde5b03a1ccd895cc4?rik=lOvG38K0Rz%2bRyg&riu=http%3a%2f%2ffiles.abovetopsecret.com%2ffiles%2fimg%2fzt5ee2bc44.jpg&ehk=e11YZYLQcdt8eLGv62TXYwl45xftl292tUt7uHX9jlU%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&sres=1&sresct=1 They should be required to subsist entirely off their agricultural efforts. Do you want famine? Cause that’s how you get famine.  ETA: In before real farmers are arrested for being too successful at growing food. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 6:44:33 AM EDT
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Whose water will they be using? It gets awful hot in C Texas and vegetable gardens require a ton of water.
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:08:29 AM EDT
[#32]
I've run across maybe three community gardens over the years. Every one consisted of small rectangular plots that were overgrown with weeds. Not a vegetable was to be found. It seems people would sometimes plant a few things and then lose interest immediately afterwards. I believe most even paid a fee to do this.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:40:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:42:38 AM EDT
[#34]
It's just another grift for the cash run.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:49:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: And completely unobtainable production goals with...penalties for missing them. Don't forget that any food or animals will be confiscated. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 7:52:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLineIsReady: I've run across maybe three community gardens over the years. Every one consisted of small rectangular plots that were overgrown with weeds. Not a vegetable was to be found. It seems people would sometimes plant a few things and then lose interest immediately afterwards. I believe most even paid a fee to do this. Locally the school kids plant vegetables and flowers in "pocket" gardens - little 1/8th acre empty lots along main street and 3' diameter planters down the sidewalks. It's kind of heart warming passing a planter full of giant sunflowers with a sign that says this garden was planted by 9-year old Sussie in Ms. Johnson's class and the next by 8-year old Bobby in Ms. Smith's class. I'm willing to bet the kids have a blast making the down town pretty. 
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:06:23 AM EDT
[#37]
A few Round-Up water balloons would cure this most ricky-tick.
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:07:45 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRealBluedog: Sounds like slavery to me. 500 years ago, slavery was the accepted means of dealing with vagrancy. And it worked a lot better than anything we're doing with them today. I might hate FDR with a burning passion, but the CCC was universally superior to so many things our government has done in the 21st century. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:14:06 AM EDT
[#39]
You know what cures food deserts?
Civility. Civility cures food deserts. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:19:03 AM EDT
[#40]
Wait till they find out, they do all the work and someone else gets all the food.
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:27:46 AM EDT
[#41]
In theory, a wonderful, utopian idea, but human nature has a way of fuck'n EVERYTHING up!😂😂😂😂
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:34:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sully3089: Whose water will they be using? It gets awful hot in C Texas and vegetable gardens require a ton of water. It's got what plants crave.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:41:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:02:37 AM EDT
[#44]
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:07:11 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Southernman077: If they plant cotton, the folks can even make clothes. Hemp has more utility. 
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:48:09 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: Locally the school kids plant vegetables and flowers in "pocket" gardens - little 1/8th acre empty lots along main street and 3' diameter planters down the sidewalks. It's kind of heart warming passing a planter full of giant sunflowers with a sign that says this garden was planted by 9-year old Sussie in Ms. Johnson's class and the next by 8-year old Bobby in Ms. Smith's class. I'm willing to bet the kids have a blast making the down town pretty. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: Originally Posted By TheLineIsReady: I've run across maybe three community gardens over the years. Every one consisted of small rectangular plots that were overgrown with weeds. Not a vegetable was to be found. It seems people would sometimes plant a few things and then lose interest immediately afterwards. I believe most even paid a fee to do this. Locally the school kids plant vegetables and flowers in "pocket" gardens - little 1/8th acre empty lots along main street and 3' diameter planters down the sidewalks. It's kind of heart warming passing a planter full of giant sunflowers with a sign that says this garden was planted by 9-year old Sussie in Ms. Johnson's class and the next by 8-year old Bobby in Ms. Smith's class. I'm willing to bet the kids have a blast making the down town pretty. My daughter's school does something similar. They even collect fruit and veggie food scraps in the cafeteria kitchen for a compost heap on site. It's cool to have the kids digging in the dirt as part of the science class on photosynthesis, the water cycle, etc. It's not how you'd feed the kids at lunchtime though
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:50:36 AM EDT
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Anxiously awaiting the Austin famine of 2025
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:51:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: vim]
[#48]
GD is offended at this attempt to strip our beloved FSAs of their essential dignity by making them actually work? And points to the inefficiency of small farming efforts presumably in favor of corporate megafarms? Interesting.
Just another perspective from behind a coffee mug. #StirringTheShit |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:02:59 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vim: GD is offended at this attempt to strip our beloved FSAs of their essential dignity by making them actually work? And points to the inefficiency of small farming efforts presumably in favor of corporate megafarms? Interesting. Just another perspective from behind a coffee mug. #StirringTheShit I'm all for making welfare leeches do "something productive" to earn their keep, but this is just a way for the city to push 100mil to some donors/friends/family members. This has fuck all to do with making the FSA "earn" their FS. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 1:16:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Loonytik: You know what cures food deserts? Civility. Civility cures food deserts. What, you mean they can't act like savages, shooting the place up, stealing everything not nailed down, and blame business owners who have the audacity to up and leave because they couldn't keep up with the thefts? The nerve of whitey for not putting up with that rich and vibrant behavior. |
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