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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:26:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: we got a lot of dead Russians and destroyed equipment for that aid and factually -- it was almost all EQUIPMENT donated -- not outright cash the 'cost' is the money we will spend MODERNIZING our own stocks https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Claim%20-%20Fact%20US%20Ukraine%20Support%202.0_0.png https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/fact-sheet-us-assistance-ukraine Sending military aid to Ukraine increases America’s military readiness and reduces the risk that the United States will have to fight Russia itself. Claim: Sending military aid to Ukraine degrades America's military readiness. Fact: Sending military aid to Ukraine has enabled the United States to modernize its own military to be better prepared to fight the next war. The US is supporting Ukraine in part so that the US won’t have to fight Russia itself. The overwhelming majority of military assistance is going to build up the US defense industrial base.[23] It is allowing the expansion of current production lines of essential military supplies that the US military will need in any future war. The equipment the US has been giving Ukraine is mostly old and sometimes inoperable.[24] The US is purchasing new systems to replace what it gives Ukraine, modernizing the American military in the process. American allies are also reinvigorating their defense industries and modernizing their militaries as consequences of support to Ukraine, which benefits the US.[25] The first fact and the second half of the last fact are complete bullshit. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:27:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: That's a lotta money sitting there. I'd be concerned that a fleet of drones could take them out while they're on the ground in a future conflict. Try it- I double-dog dare you. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:27:17 PM EDT
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Still not as manly as a B-52 MITO.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:28:13 PM EDT
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Just how much freedom can a single B2 deliver?
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:29:26 PM EDT
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A swarm of drones off Amazon will turn that into flames and ashes. It will cost less than 1 JDAM.
The day of massive strategic assets is largely over. Victory belongs to whomever sends the drones firstest and mostest. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:31:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC: A swarm of drones off Amazon will turn that into flames and ashes. It will cost less than 1 JDAM. The day of massive strategic assets is largely over. Victory belongs to whomever sends the drones firstest and mostest. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:34:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raverill: No one wants a piece of that, no one Especially the guys that maintain them |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:40:14 PM EDT
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I'm kind of surprised they got twelve flying at the same time.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:41:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC: A swarm of drones off Amazon will turn that into flames and ashes. It will cost less than 1 JDAM. The day of massive strategic assets is largely over. Victory belongs to whomever sends the drones firstest and mostest. Can't beat physics. Those little drones are very short range with 2-4lb payload at most. Drones can't miraculously fly 1000+ miles and carry 2,000 lb bombs and NOT be large. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:45:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TxRabbitBane]
[#10]
B2 is like Amazon overnight delivery of a metric fuckton of hate, anywhere in the world.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:46:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC: A swarm of drones off Amazon will turn that into flames and ashes. It will cost less than 1 JDAM. The day of massive strategic assets is largely over. Victory belongs to whomever sends the drones firstest and mostest. Good luck with that plan. You think nobody has considered that? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:50:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:53:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Yes it is lmao. Aside from nukes I like that they can drop one GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator on another one in the same hole. So let's say you're in a fucking mountain. These 12 could drop 24 of those. So even if you were 4,800 feet deep inside the mountain we're still going to get your ass Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By thunderopossom: The freedom dorito is truly amazing Yes it is lmao. Aside from nukes I like that they can drop one GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator on another one in the same hole. So let's say you're in a fucking mountain. These 12 could drop 24 of those. So even if you were 4,800 feet deep inside the mountain we're still going to get your ass 4800 feet? Not even the czar bomb is scratching you.. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:56:05 PM EDT
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Cool plane, but old.
Better hope the B21 can keep up with China's because you can bet they have hundreds of theirs. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:58:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheWhiteHorse: 4800 feet? Not even the czar bomb is scratching you.. He is using the quoted reach of the MOP, which is 200 feet of concrete. It will supposedly reach 200 feet, but that doesn't meet it will leave a clean hole that the next one could go another 200 feet. And so on. So I see where he is coming from but don't think it works that way. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:16:42 PM EDT
[#16]
Very cool
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:18:26 PM EDT
[#17]
One refueling and those things can hit any thing in the world.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:19:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:19:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CoconutLaCroix: Enough money on that tarmac to have built a border wall a few times over. But woah, cool plane! Will be cool to see what the migrants do with them in 30 years Truth |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:25:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lou_Daks]
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In the late 80s, before the first bird flew, I *somehow* wrangled a VIP invite to the location - cough cough - where they were being made. After filling out some forms, and I'm sure a lengthy background check, we were told where and when to arrive along with a list of do's and don'ts. Cars were checked, trunks were opened, I.D.s were checked. We convened in a meeting room and told what we were about to see, with more explanations and admonitions about the nature of the things. We were then escorted into the construction area where there were several in various states of construction from the bare frame to near completion. It was very interesting, to say the least. Afterward, we walked out onto the tarmac where a complete, but unflown, craft sat behind a rope line guarded by numerous very serious and extra-large Marines. I was surprised that we were allowed so close - almost touching distance. A piece of the skin was on a pedestal, and we could actually walk up and touch that. Following that, we were given goody bags filled with swag - t-shirts, coffee cups, pins, etc.
I still have most of it; here's just one item. When the cup is filled with hot liquid the B-2 disappears!  Attached File Attached FileGod Bless America! |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:28:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: He is using the quoted reach of the MOP, which is 200 feet of concrete. It will supposedly reach 200 feet, but that doesn't meet it will leave a clean hole that the next one could go another 200 feet. And so on. So I see where he is coming from but don't think it works that way. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By TheWhiteHorse: 4800 feet? Not even the czar bomb is scratching you.. He is using the quoted reach of the MOP, which is 200 feet of concrete. It will supposedly reach 200 feet, but that doesn't meet it will leave a clean hole that the next one could go another 200 feet. And so on. So I see where he is coming from but don't think it works that way. We've stacked two before. I know that. Not 100% we could do 24 but this is America |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:33:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LineOfDeparture: I'm fairly certain that all the information that does get pushed out serves as chaff, essentially. By law, the military isn't allowed to release "misinformation" or false information. However, that doesn't mean that tactical deception isn't baked into nearly every public release like this one. In fact, you can bank on the fact that TD is part of every one of these highly visible ops. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:36:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: snackle]
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It looks like angry emotes on each side of the fuselage.
 They must be grumpy about Iran. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:38:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: B2 is based. It's based divided by 0, 35 years later. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:35:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caddys83: Cough "Chicom H-20 *cough Laughs in Skunk. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:46:16 PM EDT
[#26]
 Bunker Buster! B-2 Spirit Testing Its GBU-57A/B |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:54:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAlmost a direct hit ON A FUCKING TRAFFIC CONE 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:07:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Can't beat physics. Those little drones are very short range with 2-4lb payload at most. Drones can't miraculously fly 1000+ miles and carry 2,000 lb bombs and NOT be large. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By FedDC: A swarm of drones off Amazon will turn that into flames and ashes. It will cost less than 1 JDAM. The day of massive strategic assets is largely over. Victory belongs to whomever sends the drones firstest and mostest. Can't beat physics. Those little drones are very short range with 2-4lb payload at most. Drones can't miraculously fly 1000+ miles and carry 2,000 lb bombs and NOT be large. The drones will be local. They will do what the Ukr drones did to the Russia AWACS. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:41:34 PM EDT
[#29]
Fuckin A! Glorious!!!
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:48:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC: The drones will be local. They will do what the Ukr drones did to the Russia AWACS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By FedDC: A swarm of drones off Amazon will turn that into flames and ashes. It will cost less than 1 JDAM. The day of massive strategic assets is largely over. Victory belongs to whomever sends the drones firstest and mostest. Can't beat physics. Those little drones are very short range with 2-4lb payload at most. Drones can't miraculously fly 1000+ miles and carry 2,000 lb bombs and NOT be large. The drones will be local. They will do what the Ukr drones did to the Russia AWACS. I’m sure you’d love that. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:57:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sierra-def]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Cool plane, but old. Better hope the B21 can keep up with China's because you can bet they have hundreds of theirs.  We are already ahead of them, how are we trying to keep up with something that isn't even out yet? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Butternut:  I honest to God think that'sprobably only the tip of the iceberg. Thank God there are still some adults in the very bowels of our most sacred defense projects that still refuse to truly show our hand. 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:14:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: We are already ahead of them, how are we trying to keep up with something that isn't even out yet? Because aircraft life cycles are measured in decades. So I'm looking ahead to the time when both are in active service. When that day comes, I hope the B21 comes out on top. Hopefully that makes sense. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:35:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC: A swarm of drones off Amazon will turn that into flames and ashes. It will cost less than 1 JDAM. The day of massive strategic assets is largely over. Victory belongs to whomever sends the drones firstest and mostest. Your take is bad, and you should feel bad. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:01:05 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Because aircraft life cycles are measured in decades. So I'm looking ahead to the time when both are in active service. When that day comes, I hope the B21 comes out on top. Hopefully that makes sense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By sierra-def: We are already ahead of them, how are we trying to keep up with something that isn't even out yet? Because aircraft life cycles are measured in decades. So I'm looking ahead to the time when both are in active service. When that day comes, I hope the B21 comes out on top. Hopefully that makes sense. I get what you are saying but that is assuming Chinese innovation is on par with the USA in the military aviation industry. Looking at the Chinese Chengdu J-20 that came out more recently vs the F-22 and when it came out and comparing their capabilities to each other does China have the lead on us? |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:08:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: we got a lot of dead Russians and destroyed equipment for that aid and factually -- it was almost all EQUIPMENT donated -- not outright cash the 'cost' is the money we will spend MODERNIZING our own stocks https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Claim%20-%20Fact%20US%20Ukraine%20Support%202.0_0.png https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/fact-sheet-us-assistance-ukraine Sending military aid to Ukraine increases America’s military readiness and reduces the risk that the United States will have to fight Russia itself. Claim: Sending military aid to Ukraine degrades America's military readiness. Fact: Sending military aid to Ukraine has enabled the United States to modernize its own military to be better prepared to fight the next war. The US is supporting Ukraine in part so that the US won’t have to fight Russia itself. The overwhelming majority of military assistance is going to build up the US defense industrial base.[23] It is allowing the expansion of current production lines of essential military supplies that the US military will need in any future war. The equipment the US has been giving Ukraine is mostly old and sometimes inoperable.[24] The US is purchasing new systems to replace what it gives Ukraine, modernizing the American military in the process. American allies are also reinvigorating their defense industries and modernizing their militaries as consequences of support to Ukraine, which benefits the US.[25] if you actually believe any real oversight on Ukrainian spending is going on without lining politicians pockets here and there, you need to stop the mushrooms. that money is disappeared or disappearing. I don't seen the EU ponying up that money like we are. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:09:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.twz.com/uploads/2024/04/18/B-2-lineup.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=750 https://www.twz.com/air/majority-of-the-b-2-spirit-fleet-took-to-the-skies-in-a-mass-launch "Lol don't make us break out 12 Spirits" the USAF stated in a press release Thursday. "Look at these fucking things. We fuck up shit with one all the time, we just wanted to launch 12 at once to show all other countries how gay they are."  |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:10:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinU235: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.twz.com/uploads/2024/04/18/B-2-lineup.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=750 https://www.twz.com/air/majority-of-the-b-2-spirit-fleet-took-to-the-skies-in-a-mass-launch "Lol don't make us break out 12 Spirits" the USAF stated in a press release Thursday. "Look at these fucking things. We fuck up shit with one all the time, we just wanted to launch 12 at once to show all other countries how gay they are." /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Thats_true-729.gif We could assblast so many countries with all these |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:15:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: We could assblast so many countries with all these I wish we would trot out a fleet of submarines together too, just for funsies. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:18:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WhiskersTheCat]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinU235: I wish we would trot out a fleet of submarines together too, just for funsies. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinU235: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: We could assblast so many countries with all these I wish we would trot out a fleet of submarines together too, just for funsies. If I were dictator there would be zero entitlement spending, but we would have a 400 ship sub fleet. Half Seawolf2 electric Boogaloo half Cincinnati Class (going with continuing Ohio here) which have 50 tubes and also we'd have Trident 3 which carries 15 MIRVs. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:21:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: If I were dictator there would be zero entitlement spending, but we would have a 400 ship sub fleet. Half Seawolf2 electric Boogaloo half Cincinnati Class (going with continuing Ohio here) which have 50 tubes and also we'd have Trident 3 which carries 15 MIRVs.  |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:26:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinU235: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: If I were dictator there would be zero entitlement spending, but we would have a 400 ship sub fleet. Half Seawolf2 electric Boogaloo half Cincinnati Class (going with continuing Ohio here) which have 50 tubes and also we'd have Trident 3 which carries 15 MIRVs. The entire sea would just be filled with 30 subs from each class at all times. Also, being as I'm a dictator I'm breaking up all the big defense companies to encourage crazy small start ups like OG Skunk Works and Hermeus |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:26:30 AM EDT
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B21 Raider progress seems to be moving at light speed so we should have plenty more whoopass in the near future.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:30:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: B21 Raider progress seems to be moving at light speed so we should have plenty more whoopass in the near future. B21 is already turbo tits and will be even better later. However it cannot carry as much fuck you and also it is not from my childhood. The b52 is so cool because it's from everyone's childhood and always will be. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:32:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20240419_124318_Samsung_Inter-3192158.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By raverill: No one wants a piece of that, no one https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20240419_124318_Samsung_Inter-3192158.jpg Me like. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:34:32 AM EDT
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Fuck yea, America bitches!
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:36:34 AM EDT
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 B-2 drops 80 JDAMs. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:41:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: The entire sea would just be filled with 30 subs from each class at all times. Also, being as I'm a dictator I'm breaking up all the big defense companies to encourage crazy small start ups like OG Skunk Works and Hermeus Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By JustinU235: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: If I were dictator there would be zero entitlement spending, but we would have a 400 ship sub fleet. Half Seawolf2 electric Boogaloo half Cincinnati Class (going with continuing Ohio here) which have 50 tubes and also we'd have Trident 3 which carries 15 MIRVs. The entire sea would just be filled with 30 subs from each class at all times. Also, being as I'm a dictator I'm breaking up all the big defense companies to encourage crazy small start ups like OG Skunk Works and Hermeus If I were dictator everything would get tailguns and ball turrets - B2, B21, F35, Seawolf2, everything. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:47:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: If I were dictator everything would get tailguns and ball turrets - B2, B21, F35, Seawolf2, everything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By JustinU235: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: If I were dictator there would be zero entitlement spending, but we would have a 400 ship sub fleet. Half Seawolf2 electric Boogaloo half Cincinnati Class (going with continuing Ohio here) which have 50 tubes and also we'd have Trident 3 which carries 15 MIRVs. The entire sea would just be filled with 30 subs from each class at all times. Also, being as I'm a dictator I'm breaking up all the big defense companies to encourage crazy small start ups like OG Skunk Works and Hermeus If I were dictator everything would get tailguns and ball turrets - B2, B21, F35, Seawolf2, everything. Based |
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