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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:50:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: I'm no expert but my understanding is any access to classified information is at the discretion of the current President, and Biden made it clear immediately after he entered the office that he considered Trump a security risk and would not be giving him access to anything classified. I don't think it's considered a blanket security clearance like with any government employee. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By midmo: Originally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By CMiller: Here's a question for you--what process did Trump go through to secure his Q clearance? Constitutional powers vested in the office, POTUS is the OCA for all material and classification authority stem from his office. Okay, so we agree that any security clearance is derived from his position as president. Now why would that (automatically) follow him out of the office? If the only process he went through to gain his clearance was getting elected president, then he would lose it once he is no longer president, correct? He still has intimate knowledge of privileged information and national security secrets. That doesn't get flushed from your head when you leave the job. I don't know if SOP is to retain a clearance or not, but it should be. I'm no expert but my understanding is any access to classified information is at the discretion of the current President, and Biden made it clear immediately after he entered the office that he considered Trump a security risk and would not be giving him access to anything classified. I don't think it's considered a blanket security clearance like with any government employee. He can't suck the information back out of Trump's head. Any classified info Trump had access to during his presidency is potentially stashed in his brain, forevermore, indelible in the hippocampus. All we're arguing about here are hardcopies. We don't classify documents, we classify information. Once he's had access to that information, you can't take it back... and to argue that somehow you can is just ridiculous. The question then is whether he had the authority to retain hard copies of information he was already in possession of. There's legit because hardcopies can potentially fall into unqualified hands and become a leak - but so could verbal recollections of sensitive info at inappropriate times. Biden's a hell of lot more of a risk of that than Trump. But at the end of the day it's all bullshit anyway and the only thing that is going to matter is who can get away with what. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ceetee: Imagine some douchebag at the Department of Motor Vehicles suspending your driver's license... retroactively to 2021. And then the cops show up at your door with 1095 citations for driving on a suspended license... Hey now, the only corruption that’s allowed around here is corruption to target Trump. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:52:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BB: You know if you guys just stopped responding to CMiller he would probably just go away at least until he recycles himself into some new account. It’s not worth the effort and it’s not going to result in anything but wasted time. Influencers engage and try to build consensus - notice the "we agree on " . Then the obfuscation, thread shifting and being overall obtuse . |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:55:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Yes, a memo from 2023 confirming that his clearance expired the day he left office. iirc, it was Biden that revoked Trump's classification clearance |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:56:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: It’s extremely likely when Trump received his Q clearance it was explicitly stated it was good until the day he left office. Just because it sounds like the system wasn’t updated when he left office, doesn’t change that. There are Air Force systems that don’t have my correct rank or duty title, as they are outdated. It doesn’t make it true though. Did you seriously try to make an argument based on something you want to exist? GTFO with that bs. 
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:57:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prezboi44]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: So I just finished skimming all 315 pages, and didn’t find a single thing even remotely related to the thread title about the WH manufacturing anything. Perhaps you can point me to some of the specific pages? I did find the DOE memo you might have been referencing. Care to read aloud the first paragraph for the class? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/430926/IMG_0985-3197004.png I find this document strange. Presidents don't hold clearances by virtue of their election to office. As elected officials, how would you have an unelected bureaucrat deciding access over the top elected official, least of all the CICAF. Many in the WH hold an SSB with a Yankee White clearance. NSC also. Where am I going wrong? I get you probably don't want a president to have the NOC list, but with the PDB, an "Agency" is going to withhold information of national security based on a clearance, because that's the exact situation they could be put in?? https://news.clearancejobs.com/2016/07/25/kind-security-clearance-president-get/ |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:59:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Nope. The Q clearance granted to Donald J. Trump on Feb 9, 2017, terminated, by the conditions of the original grant, upon completion of Mr. Trump’s term as President of the United States at 12:00 PM on January 20, 2021. Trump didn’t have a clearance. Some minion just forgot to update the system. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Smokey0844: So they retroactively revoked his clearance in 2023. Up until that point it was still active. That’s what you posted right. Nope. The Q clearance granted to Donald J. Trump on Feb 9, 2017, terminated, by the conditions of the original grant, upon completion of Mr. Trump’s term as President of the United States at 12:00 PM on January 20, 2021. Trump didn’t have a clearance. Some minion just forgot to update the system. It's so stupid I am trying to figure out if I'm missing something. Yet nobody making all these outrageous claims in MAGA Media will pay any price at all for once again getting everybody riled up over a fake narrative/claims. In fact, the opposite is true--they will financially benefit from the reaction to their fake news. 
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:59:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smokey0844: Did you seriously try to make an argument based on something you want to exist? GTFO with that bs. What do you think “by the conditions of the original grant” means? Because to me, it is stating very clearly that when Trump was inaugurated he received his Q clearance, and it was to expire on the day he left office. Do you interpret that differently? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:59:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Okay, so we agree that any security clearance is derived from his position as president. Now why would that (automatically) follow him out of the office? If the only process he went through to gain his clearance was getting elected president, then he would lose it once he is no longer president, correct? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By CMiller: Here's a question for you--what process did Trump go through to secure his Q clearance? Constitutional powers vested in the office, POTUS is the OCA for all material and classification authority stem from his office. Okay, so we agree that any security clearance is derived from his position as president. Now why would that (automatically) follow him out of the office? If the only process he went through to gain his clearance was getting elected president, then he would lose it once he is no longer president, correct? You can’t return all the documents in an instant. Did you miss the part where it was originally determined that he was following the process as expected? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:00:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ceetee: Imagine some douchebag at the Department of Motor Vehicles suspending your driver's license... retroactively to 2021. And then the cops show up at your door with 1095 citations for driving on a suspended license... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ceetee: Originally Posted By Low_Country: So I just finished skimming all 315 pages, and didn’t find a single thing even remotely related to the thread title about the WH manufacturing anything. Perhaps you can point me to some of the specific pages? I did find the DOE memo you might have been referencing. Care to read aloud the first paragraph for the class? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/430926/IMG_0985-3197004.png Imagine some douchebag at the Department of Motor Vehicles suspending your driver's license... retroactively to 2021. And then the cops show up at your door with 1095 citations for driving on a suspended license... Go back and read the charges from the indictment and then tell us how your analogy is relevant. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:00:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smokey0844: Did you seriously try to make an argument based on something you want to exist? GTFO with that bs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smokey0844: Originally Posted By Low_Country: It’s extremely likely when Trump received his Q clearance it was explicitly stated it was good until the day he left office. Just because it sounds like the system wasn’t updated when he left office, doesn’t change that. There are Air Force systems that don’t have my correct rank or duty title, as they are outdated. It doesn’t make it true though. Did you seriously try to make an argument based on something you want to exist? GTFO with that bs. "Wishcasting" |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:01:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DirtNasty: imagine that another major thread derailment from the n_t's Yup. 
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:02:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prezboi44: I find this document strange. Presidents don't hold clearances by virtue of their election to office. As elected officials, how would you have an unelected bureaucrat deciding access over the top elected official, least of all the CICAF. Many in the WH hold an SSB with a Yankee White clearance. NSC also. Where am I going wrong? I get you probably don't want a president to have the NOC list, but with the PDB, an "Agency" is going to withhold information of national security based on a clearance, because that's the exact situation they could be put in. https://news.clearancejobs.com/2016/07/25/kind-security-clearance-president-get/ I don’t think you are wrong, though I’ve never had a Q clearance, so I don’t know if there is anything especially unique. I read the document as confirming that Presidents have the clearance while in office, and they cease to keep it when they leave office. The document was offered as a rebuttal to the claim that he still had the clearance, years after he left office. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:02:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midmo: He can't suck the information back out of Trump's head. Any classified info Trump had access to during his presidency is potentially stashed in his brain, forevermore, indelible in the hippocampus. All we're arguing about here are hardcopies. We don't classify documents, we classify information. Once he's had access to that information, you can't take it back... and to argue that somehow you can is just ridiculous. The question then is whether he had the authority to retain hard copies of information he was already in possession of. There's legit because hardcopies can potentially fall into unqualified hands and become a leak - but so could verbal recollections of sensitive info at inappropriate times. Biden's a hell of lot more of a risk of that than Trump. But at the end of the day it's all bullshit anyway and the only thing that is going to matter is who can get away with what. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midmo: Originally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By midmo: Originally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By CMiller: Here's a question for you--what process did Trump go through to secure his Q clearance? Constitutional powers vested in the office, POTUS is the OCA for all material and classification authority stem from his office. Okay, so we agree that any security clearance is derived from his position as president. Now why would that (automatically) follow him out of the office? If the only process he went through to gain his clearance was getting elected president, then he would lose it once he is no longer president, correct? He still has intimate knowledge of privileged information and national security secrets. That doesn't get flushed from your head when you leave the job. I don't know if SOP is to retain a clearance or not, but it should be. I'm no expert but my understanding is any access to classified information is at the discretion of the current President, and Biden made it clear immediately after he entered the office that he considered Trump a security risk and would not be giving him access to anything classified. I don't think it's considered a blanket security clearance like with any government employee. He can't suck the information back out of Trump's head. Any classified info Trump had access to during his presidency is potentially stashed in his brain, forevermore, indelible in the hippocampus. All we're arguing about here are hardcopies. We don't classify documents, we classify information. Once he's had access to that information, you can't take it back... and to argue that somehow you can is just ridiculous. The question then is whether he had the authority to retain hard copies of information he was already in possession of. There's legit because hardcopies can potentially fall into unqualified hands and become a leak - but so could verbal recollections of sensitive info at inappropriate times. Biden's a hell of lot more of a risk of that than Trump. But at the end of the day it's all bullshit anyway and the only thing that is going to matter is who can get away with what. I guess you deserve points for creativity...?  I haven't heard anybody try to frame it that way yet. But since he wasn't charged with improper revealing of classified information (telling somebody what was in his head), I'm not sure how it's relevant. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:03:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: iirc, it was Biden that revoked Trump's classification clearance Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Yes, a memo from 2023 confirming that his clearance expired the day he left office. iirc, it was Biden that revoked Trump's classification clearance Biden didn't revoke anything, he just said he would not allow Trump to have access to classified information going forward. Former presidents having access to classified information is not dependent on them having a security clearance or not. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: What do you think “by the conditions of the original grant” means? Because to me, it is stating very clearly that when Trump was inaugurated he received his Q clearance, and it was to expire on the day he left office. Do you interpret that differently? I don’t have to interpret anything. If it existed, there wouldn’t be a need for a revocation letter two years after the fact. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:04:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcculver5: "Wishcasting" Hardly. As a legal professional, what would your interpretation of “by the conditions of the original grant” be? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:05:59 PM EDT
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Holy hell you guys have that gray bar yelling at the clouds judging by the number of posts I’m seeing. Poor propagandist is losing the narrative and is panicking. Lol
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamPo: You can’t return all the documents in an instant. Did you miss the part where it was originally determined that he was following the process as expected? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamPo: Originally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By CMiller: Here's a question for you--what process did Trump go through to secure his Q clearance? Constitutional powers vested in the office, POTUS is the OCA for all material and classification authority stem from his office. Okay, so we agree that any security clearance is derived from his position as president. Now why would that (automatically) follow him out of the office? If the only process he went through to gain his clearance was getting elected president, then he would lose it once he is no longer president, correct? You can’t return all the documents in an instant. Did you miss the part where it was originally determined that he was following the process as expected? Nope, go read the indictment and then come back and see if there's anything left to discuss. You might be surprised when you see what is actually in there. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:06:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Hardly. As a legal professional, what would your interpretation of “by the conditions of the original grant” be? As explained before, the only SCOTUS decision on classification authority found POTUS authority is independent of legislation and from his constitutional office |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:07:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smokey0844: I don’t have to interpret anything. If it existed, there wouldn’t be a need for a revocation letter two years after the fact. lol the DOE literally provided a memo saying president’s don’t hold a Q clearance the day they leave office. I’d trust the agency charged with our nuclear capabilities to know who has access to that information. A clerical error doesn’t change any of that. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:07:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prezboi44: I find this document strange. Presidents don't hold clearances by virtue of their election to office. As elected officials, how would you have an unelected bureaucrat deciding access over the top elected official, least of all the CICAF. Many in the WH hold an SSB with a Yankee White clearance. NSC also. Where am I going wrong? I get you probably don't want a president to have the NOC list, but with the PDB, an "Agency" is going to withhold information of national security based on a clearance, because that's the exact situation they could be put in?? https://news.clearancejobs.com/2016/07/25/kind-security-clearance-president-get/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prezboi44: Originally Posted By Low_Country: So I just finished skimming all 315 pages, and didn’t find a single thing even remotely related to the thread title about the WH manufacturing anything. Perhaps you can point me to some of the specific pages? I did find the DOE memo you might have been referencing. Care to read aloud the first paragraph for the class? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/430926/IMG_0985-3197004.png I find this document strange. Presidents don't hold clearances by virtue of their election to office. As elected officials, how would you have an unelected bureaucrat deciding access over the top elected official, least of all the CICAF. Many in the WH hold an SSB with a Yankee White clearance. NSC also. Where am I going wrong? I get you probably don't want a president to have the NOC list, but with the PDB, an "Agency" is going to withhold information of national security based on a clearance, because that's the exact situation they could be put in?? https://news.clearancejobs.com/2016/07/25/kind-security-clearance-president-get/ What else other than election to office qualified Trump to have a security clearance? Did he go through a background check? Did somebody somewhere in the government sign off on his security clearance? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:07:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Hardly. As a legal professional, what would your interpretation of “by the conditions of the original grant” be? I wonder if you’ll be willing to concede to his position of authority if he disagrees with you since you’re appealing to it now hoping he agrees |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:09:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prezboi44]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I don’t think you are wrong, though I’ve never had a Q clearance, so I don’t know if there is anything especially unique. I read the document as confirming that Presidents have the clearance while in office, and they cease to keep it when they leave office. The document was offered as a rebuttal to the claim that he still had the clearance, years after he left office. In normal circumstances, the president retains access for life because they can be called upon by current administrations to give the history of individual subjects, discussions with foreign leaders, clear up confusion, lines of thinking at the point of events, etc. That's been national security policy forever. But only the president. Not their family or anyone else AFAIK. They may undergo background checks, but it has no bearing on their access to classified materials. They aren't going to go around asking how many tons of force do I need to push a graphite rod into a radioactive core, but if it's needed to make a determination on a certain question, I don't think the national security apparatus wants to run around asking "what's the classification of this piece of information in this context and can we tell the president?" as a nuclear power plant is melting down in timbuktu. You understand the thinking behind this, right? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:10:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smokey0844: Holy hell you guys have that gray bar yelling at the clouds judging by the number of posts I’m seeing. Poor propagandist is losing the narrative and is panicking. Lol Tell ya what. Post a single citation from any of the unredacted documents this thread is about, supporting a single claim made by the Trump supporters in this thread. Since you’re calling people propagandists and all. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:13:59 PM EDT
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Agree another straw to break the camels back. It took 1000 years for Rome to fall once
fiat died. We may not be here but it will happen sooner or later. Times aren't hard enough yet to activate the hard men to fix this shit sandwich. But look around and you'll see us waiting, many here. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:15:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Tell ya what. Post a single citation from any of the unredacted documents this thread is about, supporting a single claim made by the Trump supporters in this thread. Since you’re calling people propagandists and all. I want to call people who willingly overlook corruption if it serves their interests a lot worse than propagandist but I kinda like my account and they’re not worth it. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:16:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smokey0844: I want to call people who willingly overlook corruption if it serves their interests a lot worse than propagandist but I kinda like my account and they’re not worth it. Ok. Post the corruption you are talking about. Apparently it’s all over the unredacted documents. I’m just asking for one example. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:17:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: lol the DOE literally provided a memo saying president’s don’t hold a Q clearance the day they leave office. I’d trust the agency charged with our nuclear capabilities to know who has access to that information. A clerical error doesn’t change any of that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Smokey0844: I don’t have to interpret anything. If it existed, there wouldn’t be a need for a revocation letter two years after the fact. lol the DOE literally provided a memo saying president’s don’t hold a Q clearance the day they leave office. I’d trust the agency charged with our nuclear capabilities to know who has access to that information. A clerical error doesn’t change any of that. So, Clinton, GW Bush, Zero (Obama) and Carter don't hold a Q clearance? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:19:19 PM EDT
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Wheeeeeeee, to slide along these threads that try so hard to get away from the corruption that has been exposed…. Sad in some ways, but perfect examples of why history repeats itself as corruption takes over. All the effort put in to deflect and slide away from the obvious issues with corruption at the highest levels - effort that could be used to help address the corruption, instead of covering for it.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:20:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cincinnatus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I don’t think you are wrong, though I’ve never had a Q clearance, so I don’t know if there is anything especially unique. I read the document as confirming that Presidents have the clearance while in office, and they cease to keep it when they leave office. The document was offered as a rebuttal to the claim that he still had the clearance, years after he left office. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Prezboi44: I find this document strange. Presidents don't hold clearances by virtue of their election to office. As elected officials, how would you have an unelected bureaucrat deciding access over the top elected official, least of all the CICAF. Many in the WH hold an SSB with a Yankee White clearance. NSC also. Where am I going wrong? I get you probably don't want a president to have the NOC list, but with the PDB, an "Agency" is going to withhold information of national security based on a clearance, because that's the exact situation they could be put in. https://news.clearancejobs.com/2016/07/25/kind-security-clearance-president-get/ I don’t think you are wrong, though I’ve never had a Q clearance, so I don’t know if there is anything especially unique. I read the document as confirming that Presidents have the clearance while in office, and they cease to keep it when they leave office. The document was offered as a rebuttal to the claim that he still had the clearance, years after he left office. Who “granted “ the President his Q clearance? Hint: not DoE |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:21:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Ok. Post the corruption you are talking about. Apparently it’s all over the unredacted documents. I’m just asking for one example. Stop trying to be cute. Let’s go with Crossfire Hurricane for $500 |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: As explained before, the only SCOTUS decision on classification authority found POTUS authority is independent of legislation and from his constitutional office Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Hardly. As a legal professional, what would your interpretation of “by the conditions of the original grant” be? As explained before, the only SCOTUS decision on classification authority found POTUS authority is independent of legislation and from his constitutional office This is a fact. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:24:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: Who “granted “ the President his Q clearance? Hint: not DoE The clearance comes with the office. And you lose it when you leave office. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:24:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smokey0844: Stop trying to be cute. Let’s go with Crossfire Hurricane for $500 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smokey0844: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Ok. Post the corruption you are talking about. Apparently it’s all over the unredacted documents. I’m just asking for one example. Stop trying to be cute. Let’s go with Crossfire Hurricane for $500 |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:25:09 PM EDT
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The ignore function would work better if people would quit quoting the idiots who are not here to actually engage in honest discussion
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:28:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: The ignore function would work better if people would quit quoting the idiots who are not here to actually engage in honest discussion Honest discussion? Is that like posting an inflammatory thread title but then admitting you don’t actually understand what you are listening to and hoping for somebody else to explain it? Because I’ve been asking since page 2 for somebody to post a single citation from the unredacted documents this thread is about showing how the “WH created the Mar A Lago crime”. And nobody has been able to do it. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:34:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dumak]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By piciphant: The top secret papers he had were the dirt on hitlery. The papers Trump had were on the Crossfire Hurricane investigation - he declassified them on his last day in office. I have posted the link to the memo before. The deep state wanted them back before the GOP took the house and Jim Jordan could make use of them. They concocted this with NARA and raided MAL. Thing is, lots of speculation that they didn't get the docs they were after. That is why they wanted to raid Trump's other properties. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:35:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: The clearance comes with the office. And you lose it when you leave office. No, it doesn't. That's just the point. You think you have a document in writing from a bureaucracy that did not exist when the Constitution was created. The president is Commander in Chief and by virtue of the office, they have access. Article. II. Section. 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows ------------- Then we have Article. II. Section. 2. The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:36:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: The papers Trump had were on the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. They wanted them back before the GOP took the house and Jim Jordan could make use of them. They concocted this with NARA and raided MAL. Thing is, lots of speculation that they didn't get the docs they were after. That is why they wanted to raid Trump's other properties. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: Originally Posted By piciphant: The top secret papers he had were the dirt on hitlery. The papers Trump had were on the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. They wanted them back before the GOP took the house and Jim Jordan could make use of them. They concocted this with NARA and raided MAL. Thing is, lots of speculation that they didn't get the docs they were after. That is why they wanted to raid Trump's other properties. That sounds like something out of a bad movie. Why wouldn't it be digital? Why not make a ton of copies? How could the bad guys ever be sure they were getting it all? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:36:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smokey0844: Stop trying to be cute. Let’s go with Crossfire Hurricane for $500 Trump has the goods on the guilty parties , the infamous Binder on Crossfire Hurricane . That fact is ignored by select posters . |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:40:39 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prezboi44: No, it doesn't. That's just the point. You think you have a document in writing from a bureaucracy that did not exist when the Constitution was created. The president is Commander in Chief and by virtue of the office, they have access. Article. II. Section. 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows ------------- Then we have Article. II. Section. 2. The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment. Yes, presidents have access to everything while in office, purely due to the office they hold. Former presidents maintain access to classified information solely at the pleasure of the current president. This has traditionally been granted as a courtesy, but it doesn’t have to be. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:43:28 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: I guess you deserve points for creativity...? I haven't heard anybody try to frame it that way yet. But since he wasn't charged with improper revealing of classified information (telling somebody what was in his head), I'm not sure how it's relevant. In a nutshell, it is VERY relevant. That was a very good post that you replied to with your own jaded opinion. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:46:49 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Yes, presidents have access to everything while in office, purely due to the office they hold. Former presidents maintain access to classified information solely at the pleasure of the current president. This has traditionally been granted as a courtesy, but it doesn’t have to be. And the current administration revoked the prior’s clearance two years after he left office in order to use lawfare and a willingly corrupt DOJ to hinder his reelection campaign. Much like they used a corrupt DOJ to handcuff his administration during its first three years with an investigation into a known false Russian collusion charge. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:56:18 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: The clearance comes with the office. And you lose it when you leave office. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Who “granted “ the President his Q clearance? Hint: not DoE The clearance comes with the office. And you lose it when you leave office. Did he sign an NDA? No he did not. Guess why not… |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:59:26 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smokey0844: And the current administration revoked the prior’s clearance two years after he left office in order to use lawfare and a willingly corrupt DOJ to hinder his reelection campaign. Much like they used a corrupt DOJ to handcuff his administration during its first three years with an investigation into a known false Russian collusion charge. Doesn't matter. Orange man bad. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:59:41 PM EDT
[#47]
When someone posts 5 times per thread page, does this mean anything?
Just curious. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:00:05 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Honest discussion? Is that like posting an inflammatory thread title but then admitting you don’t actually understand what you are listening to and hoping for somebody else to explain it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Logcutter: The ignore function would work better if people would quit quoting the idiots who are not here to actually engage in honest discussion Honest discussion? Is that like posting an inflammatory thread title but then admitting you don’t actually understand what you are listening to and hoping for somebody else to explain it? It's been explained and you don't care. Keep sliding the thread Champ. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:01:36 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akethan: Doesn't matter. Orange man bad. Those three words have a power over people that would make Jim Jones jealous. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 9:04:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4-AK: When someone posts 5 times per thread page, does this mean anything? Just curious. What about when the same poster is conspicuously absent from any thread critical of a Democrat? |
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