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Posted: 12/23/2021 8:28:31 PM EDT
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Flew into Kyiv this past Fri/Sat and spent 3 days on the ground with the primary purpose of seeing Chernobyl. On Sunday, I walked around Kyiv from my hotel for the morning but then it started raining and didn't do much more after that.
Not much to say about Kyiv itself, I didn't really do anything there. It's a nice Eastern European city and I found the food to be fantastic and the people were very nice. I would definitely go back just for the city itself at some point, but the purpose of this trip was Chernobyl. For Monday and Tuesday it was Chernobyl and the area around Chernobyl, including a stay in the city of Chernobyl Monday night. The food at that hotel was fantastic again. I've never had better fried eggs in my life! Monday was primarily in plant. I got to see the grid control room which is still in operation, Chernobyl 3 control room, Chernobyl 4 control room, and part of Chernobyl 3 plant including main circ pumps and reactor hall. We got to have lunch at the plant canteen and again, it was fantastic! Better than any power plant food I've ever had! I posted this mini rant in another thread; "It astonishes me still that they have nuclear tourism. You would never see anything like this in the USA or other 1st world western countries. Hell, we lose our shit if one of our operators picks up a millirem they're not supposed to. On my trip, I picked up more dose than I would an entire year at my PWR facility. It's incredible to me. And that's just the plant. The entire region is still contaminated and people just go walking around through it like it's nothing serious. Yes the levels are mostly low, but there are hotspots all around, and what's left behind is the long lived nasty shit. I see relatively recent videos of people going into the Pripyat basement to see the fireman's clothes. They're nuts. I wouldn't go down there without full anti-contamination clothing and an SCBA. And now things have started going missing from down there. Those people do not understand that they're taking fuel fragments to their homes and families and kicking up the dust down there that will embed itself in their lungs. Ukrainian authorities know this because they've since filled the stairwells with sand and such, but there's still ways in, yet they let it continue. The people at the plant are convinced they're providing a safe tourist activity, and I'm not trying to be alarmist about it, I'm just emphasizing the point that you are going to get dosed there, and it would never happen in the US. The openness of the region and contaminated areas like Pripyat is the dangerous part. Yes they have the illusion of security with "check points" and "tickets" and "passport control," but YouTube is full of people that got around them, and just walk through highly contaminated areas and handle highly contaminated objects without knowing anything about the isotopes they're ingesting. One of their mottos is "no dosimeter, no radiation." I am glad I got to do it though, because like standing in Auschwitz, pictures and videos just don't do it justice what happened here. It was very moving, to me, to stand in the very spot that Akimov pushed the AZ-5 button and again to stand just a few feet from the exploded reactor. Tuesday was visiting the Duga radar site which, outside of the plant, was the next biggest highlight for me. I knew of the radar and always saw pictures of the radar itself. What I didn't know is that they built a city for 2000 people there to run the radar! That's mostly what my pictures focus on. A kindergarten, a primary school, apartment buildings, social club, movie theater, grocery store, etc. You name it, they had it. This city was so secret that it wasn't discovered until the Chernobyl disaster and it also had to be evacuated (according to the guide, who knows what American intelligence knew). I didn't know about the city until I visited. It was incredible. You could easily spend an entire day there, but I had to spend some time in Pripyat. After another fantastic lunch at the hotel we stayed at in Chernobyl, we headed to Pripyat for a few hours. Because Pripyat has pretty much been photographed from every angle, I focused on finding color in the nuclear wasteland. Of course, there's some iconic site photos as well. To start with, some photo from around Kyiv. Nothing much, mostly just some murals and cool buildings and such. JEC01160 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01166 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01169 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01184 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01187 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01190 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01193 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01202 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01208 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr St. Andrew's Church JEC01217 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01223 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Monument Za Dvoma Zaytsyamy: Pronya Prokopivna and Holokhvastov JEC01229 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr 1980s replica of 11th-century Golden Gate, the main fortified entrance to the medieval city. JEC01253 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr St. Sophia's Cathedral and Christmas Tree JEC01279 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Ferris wheel and Christmas festival right outside my hotel. JEC01282 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr |
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Day 2 is inside the plant.
Interesting mural depicting the wild horses that now roam the exclusion zone. JEC01286 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Door to the bunker that was shown in the HBO series where the director and other VIPs met. JEC01289 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Inside the actual bunker. JEC01298 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr The "Golden Corridor." It connects all the units and control rooms. It became golden after the accident and they put that gold colored paneling as additional shielding. JEC01316 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr The grid control room is still manned with the same tech from 1986 and earlier. We had to wear those clothes as well on the tour. JEC01322 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr The "SKALA" computer system that was telling the operators that things were fucked, but they bypassed and ignored. JEC01328 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr One of Chernobyl 4's process card racks. It would have received information from field sensors and processed it for reactor protection and controls. JEC01340 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Chernobyl 3 control boards. JEC01349 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Chernobyl 3 AZ-5 (it's a switch now, was changed from button to switch as an upgrade after the accident. Yes I turned it, it doesn't do anything anymore). JEC01358 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Reactor control panel. JEC01364 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Individual rod position indication. JEC01373 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Control panels. JEC01379 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Full core display and rod position indicators. JEC01385 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Despite the language barrier, I was able to identify most control in the control room based on my training. This is the power range neutron meter. JEC01400 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr This is the source range neutron meter. JEC01403 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr This is the intermediate range neutron meter. JEC01406 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr This is the reactor period meter (or how fast the neutron population is changing in the reactor). They wouldn't have seen it with everything else going on, but this meter would have been pegged to the right during the accident (very short period). JEC01409 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Chernobyl 3 turbine controls (including red trip switch under cover). JEC01415 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Chernobyl 4 control panels. Plant person say plant people began stripping it before the state finally stripped it for decontamination. That means there's parts out in the world. Hoping to track some down. JEC01433 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Still a lot of contamination in the panels. JEC01442 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Chernobyl 4 turbine controls. JEC01445 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Chernobyl 4 reactor control panel. The spot Akimov pushed the button. JEC01448 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Where AZ-5 was. JEC01451 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Final look. JEC01463 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr The "not so golden corridor" to unit 4. JEC01469 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Memorial to Valery Khodemchuk, the 1st person that died in the accident. He was, and still is, somewhere near the main circ pumps at Chernobyl 4. Just on the other side of this wall is the exploded reactor. JEC01472 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Chernobyl 3 main circ pumps (one set, there is another set on the other side of the reactor). JEC01478 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr D/P transmitters, not unlike those in the USA. JEC01487 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Chernobyl 3 reactor lid. JEC01490 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Online refueling machine. JEC01499 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01502 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01508 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr There's no spent fuel in the pools anymore, it's all off at the wet storage facility outside of the plant. There are, however, still used control rods here. These are them. JEC01511 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01517 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01529 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr They had a neat model that was made after various photos and video trips by people and robots. PXL_20211220_124655129 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Friendly fox will come right up to you and eat out of your hand. PXL_20211220_070552232 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Food at the Chernobyl plant canteen. PXL_20211220_120209546 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Did stop and visit a robot graveyard. I liked this moon buggy because that's a piece of graphite from the exploded reactor displayed on it. I laughed in the guides face. I asked what was stopping me from grabbing it and taking it home. Nothing. JEC01568 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr |
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The Duga site was eye opening to me. I mean, yeah, it's not surprising that the USSR built a giant over the horizon radar facility, but what was surprising is that they built a city with all the amenities for the people. This facility really revealed my ignorance about the people in the USSR since I knew nothing outside of what US propagandists and media wanted us to know. I always envisioned them all as dark, grey, lifeless. This "secret city" was anything but grey and lifeless. These photos will reveal a site full of color and life..., at a secret military facility. I had no idea.
You're greeted by a guard and a bust of Lenin. JEC01571 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Murals. JEC01574 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01577 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr First glimpse of this colossal radar. JEC01583 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Even the signs telling the soldiers how to be soldiers were colorful. JEC01595 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Just a couple cool old masks at the motor pool. JEC01604 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Driving school! JEC01607 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Guard tower. JEC01610 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01616 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr One of the equipment rooms. When it was shut down shortly after the accidents, most important equipment was removed and reused elsewhere. JEC01619 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr This was one of the coolest rooms, I can't believe it's still mostly intact. This is a training room, and do you recognize those missiles in those displays? Those are US missiles! JEC01625 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01628 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01631 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr This place even had its own power plant, and these are the cooling towers. JEC01643 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Can of pork in the empty building that I believe housed the power plant. JEC01649 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Check out the wire window decorations. JEC01655 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01679 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01682 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Even this area is contaminated. JEC01688 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr They did have an elevator at either end. JEC01691 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr The fire department for the city. Check out that miniature map of the city and radar! JEC01694 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr The fire department, where I'm standing, is that little building in the front. Behind it are 5 apartment buildings JEC01697 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Standard Soviet apartment. JEC01709 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Mail boxes. JEC01712 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01715 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01721 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Kindergarten mural. JEC01730 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr A jet for a play set. JEC01736 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01742 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr I took this just to show the forest fire that came through here in 2020, spreading contamination again. You know, that's all we needed on top of Covid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Chernobyl_Exclusion_Zone_wildfires JEC01745 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Gym in the primary school. JEC01748 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Science. JEC01751 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Composers line the cupboards of the music room. JEC01754 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01757 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr In the primary school kitchen. JEC01760 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Movie theater in the community building. JEC01769 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Gymnasium in the community building. The basketball floor has seen better days. JEC01772 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Men's room in the community building. JEC01775 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Community building stairs. I'm more interested in the design of the metal display in the wall. JEC01781 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Then off to Pripyat. A very modern city in the day compared to other Soviet cities. JEC01808 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr A lot of dogs everywhere. They were generally friendly and seemed happy to see humans. They all appear to be well fed by guards and tourists. PXL_20211220_124001653 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Pripyat cafe. JEC01811 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Incredible stained glass in the Pripyat cafe. I've never seen anything done like this, and the guide claims it's the only stained glass in the world done like this. Each piece is hand laid stacked side by side. You'll see below. JEC01814 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01817 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr This helps show how each piece was laid in the structure. JEC01820 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Prometheus theater. This, among other buildings, has mosaics by Ivan Lytovchenko. They still bring color into this nuclear wasteland. JEC01835 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01838 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr A mosaic on the music/concert building. JEC01847 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr That nuke sign was made in California. No surprise those commies were making signs for commies. JEC01853 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr I liked the graffiti that was around. JEC01856 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Palace of Culture that was at the head of Lenin Square. JEC01859 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr This is an example of my rant in the OP. Where I held this meter is was 155 micro Sieverts, or 15mrem/hr. I was able to get it to read 400 micro Sieverts, or 40 mrem/hr. Those are dose readings right on the ground around here, that are much higher than the average nuke worker experiences at a US plant on a day to day basis. Yes, there some areas at the boilers where you can get some dose, but it is incredible to me that they just let the public, me, approach this stuff haha. JEC01865 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Apparently this was the first grocery store in the USSR to feature shopping carts. JEC01871 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Looks just like Walmart. JEC01880 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr More color in the nuclear wasteland. JEC01886 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Pripyat post office mural. JEC01892 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr The iconic Ferris wheel is colorful. JEC01913 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01925 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr JEC01922 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Bumper cars. JEC01928 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr On the way to the final thing I wanted to see, a playground being eaten by nature. It's sad to think there were still children playing here for weeks after the explosion with fire from above raining down on them. JEC01952 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Final stop, a visit to Anatoly Dyatlov's apartment, the antagonist of my avatar. We had to sneak in the back because his building is on one of the main thoroughfares and our guide was notified that the state minister of the exclusion zone was in Pripyat for an inspection. Entering buildings has been banned since 2012 since things are starting to collapse. They put motion detectors on the most entered areas, but she was real nervous about going in. JEC01955 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr AZ-5 points the way. JEC01976 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr Number 39. JEC01970 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr His was a standard Soviet apartment, like anyone else. That was the point of Soviet Communism. JEC01967 by JustinC's Photos, on Flickr His bedroom. Someone put something like "can't repeat 1986". 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Callsign: Doc. For my wild hair and DeLorean
OH, USA
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Awesome!
Ost |
"We're all new here, kid. The old ones are either dead or in the hospital. What the hell did you expect, a two week pass to Paris? Get in line and do what you're told, or you'll be dead before sunup."
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Very cool !
Lotta bright colors. Thanks for sharing. |
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"I got this. We'll skip the dicks" DK-Prof 12/7/21
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Pretty cool OP
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety
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Good stuff OP.
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13B / 39C X5 / 35M yup reclassed more than once...
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Great Pics OP! Thanks for sharing!
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Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss.
Robert A. Heinlein "Leave the Artillerymen alone, they are an obstinate lot. . ." Napoleon Bonaparte |
Tagged
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Neotopiaman -"Communism could take over the Sahara and have a shortage of sand."
SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM |
That town looks awesome.
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Ain't got nothing better to do, and I'm bored
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Good thread
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My friends say I should act my age, what's my age again?
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In!
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"Is it still larping when you actually chop someone with a battle axe?" Tacocat
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Awesome! I can’t wait for more pics
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AEKDB
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Thanks!
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My wife's best friend is working in Kyiv and we're hoping to visit before she ships out.
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"Whisky for the gentlemen that like it. And for the gentlemen that don't like it - Whisky!" -Alec Guinness as MAJ (acting Colonel) Jock Sinclair, D.S.O., M.M. "Tunes of Glory"
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sweet pics! tagged for more.
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Award: 24/365's Most Likely to Secede
Award: 24/365's Most Impressed by Basements Award: 24/365's Official Giant Jenga Shutout Winners - with tnsparky RIP 1/15/15 220606 |
IBMP
(In Before Most Pics) |
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Taggity
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777
If heaven is like an LSD trip, I'd rather not go. If St. Peter meets me at the gate with a tye-dyed t-shirt smoking a joint then eternity is going to suck CMB 3 MAR 99 30 OCT 08 RIP |
Awesome thanks for sharing with us
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Sic Semper Tyrannis
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Did you at least wear your protective hat?
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That's awesome. I've been trying to get my employer to send us over under the guise of training but they're not having it.
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When doubt returns, may it be
That faith shall permeate our scars When we're seduced, then may it be That we not deviate our cause |
Awesome thanks for sharing
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Excellent! Thanks for sharing.
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MIA: M/SGT James W. Holt USSF 2-7-68 SVN
"Your freedom to be you includes my freedom to be free from you." -A. Wilkow |
Cool stuff! Tag! |
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When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are ruled by criminals.
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This is going to be awesome.
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Originally Posted By JAD762:
I know. But a few posts above this there’s a perfect demonstration that people don’t want reality, they just want to be mad. And angry retards always find something retarded to be angry about. |
In before OP sets off gieger counters for the rest of his life.
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Great pics OP, subbed for more!
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Dear diary, today OP was a super-awesome cool guy!
Looking forward to more pics. |
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A strange game; the only winning move is not to play.
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Very cool; were you shooting from a tripod for some?
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Plant pics are up, but my philly cheesesteak just arrived, so will post next batch in a bit.
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Awesome pics
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<**Me:**> I just spent 95% of my paycheck on LaRue stuff, within 30 minutes of getting paid. < **mfingar:**> For what it's worth, Dillo Dust is great on Ramen.
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One of the best travel photo threads in recent memory!
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Everywhere we go, we are surrounded by people who stumble through life dependent upon the vigilance and/or kindness of others. - Zardoz
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I didn't realize Shiey had an account here.
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Why do you own a fire extinguisher when you have the fire department to protect you?
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When the Tide is out you can see who swims naked
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that's very cool
thanks for sharing your experience |
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- Originally Posted By elcope: Er ist ein Bier leener "It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice" H.P. Baxxter |
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Fascinating and excellent pictures, thank you for sharing.
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It's true no matter who you are, the worst thing you can do for someone is give them something for nothing. - 3rdpig
Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy. - Heinlein |
Cool pics OP. Thanks for sharing.
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This is amazing! I’d love to go there someday but doubt I’d be able to talk my wife into it. Maybe a trip with my son at some point.
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Word to your mother
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Thanks for posting. I'd love to visit Pripyat someday.
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(tap tap tap tap)....fuel......fuel.....FUEL!
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Nice!!
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Well fuck...don't you win post of the year? Show off.
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very cool! more please
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bananas
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Epic. Amazing trip and right up my alley.
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