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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:38:15 PM EDT
I heard from some buddies at the airport a dc-4 that was fully loaded hauling fuel to rural Alaska went down near the airport in Fairbanks, I can’t find it on flight radar though, does anyone have the premium version to backtrack it? Should be under Everts air fuel. They’re good guys over there I hope everyone made it but it doesn’t sound good.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:42:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cavedog]
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Their website has this picture of a DC-6, reg N100CE
ETA: The company’s aircraft include the well known vintage C-46 and DC-6 aircraft, which are especially well-suited to the many shorter, unimproved gravel and ice runways in Alaska. The Everts Air Cargo fleet consists of one C-46, four DC-6, and six MD-80 aircraft. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:43:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: R2point0]
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Sure it's a DC-4? According to Wikipedia there are only a few still flying, none of which are in Alaska.
Whatever the bird, I hope the crew is ok. ETA: I stand corrected. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:48:25 PM EDT
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Was an alaska air fuel DC 4, went down near rosie creek exit, on the baks of the tanana, so far no crew survived, the fire is contained
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:52:00 PM EDT
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Solid first post
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:52:12 PM EDT
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Sucks to hear!!!!
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:53:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imyeet: Was an alaska air fuel DC 4, went down near rosie creek exit, on the baks of the tanana, so far no crew survived, the fire is contained Shit that sucks. They come out here a lot |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 3:54:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nate19]
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Originally Posted By alaskan_9974: I heard from some buddies at the airport a dc-4 that was fully loaded hauling fuel to rural Alaska went down near the airport in Fairbanks, I can’t find it on flight radar though, does anyone have the premium version to backtrack it? Should be under Everts air fuel. They’re good guys over there I hope everyone made it but it doesn’t sound good. I have the premium FlightRadar and can back track it if you can give me a tail number or an approximate time that it went down. ETA:  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 4:03:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2024 4:04:01 PM EDT
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“[TR/Airport Alert 3 (Incident)] Douglas C-54D Skymaster crash and fire in the area of Kallenberg Rd. Alaska State Troopers, Fairbanks Airport Fire, Chena Goldstream Fire, and Ester Fire on scene. 2 Souls unknown status. DNR unable to respond to Brush fire”
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Posted: 4/23/2024 4:38:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: alaskan_9974]
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Looks like they tried to come back. I don’t think they have recorders and there’s not many people out there. Hope someone saw what happened
ETA news link. Possibly blew up in air News link |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 5:09:39 PM EDT
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Damn old airplanes. It should be criminal that lawyers and regulators make it necessary to keep these airplanes operating long past their prime. But economics make upgrading.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 5:17:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: alaskan_9974]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wingsnthings: Damn old airplanes. It should be criminal that lawyers and regulators make it necessary to keep these airplanes operating long past their prime. But economics make upgrading. There is nothing similar out there for the missions they do, it’s the runways that forces the use of these types of fuel haulers. Many communities don’t have road or barge access. They have been changing to air tractors to haul fuel but it’s a much smaller quantity, not sure how the economics play into that. Heard it may have been a post maint test flight. So likely didn’t have any fuel in cabin. 
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Posted: 4/23/2024 5:56:57 PM EDT
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damn, that’s sad.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 5:59:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Atropian_Defector]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imyeet: Was an alaska air fuel DC 4, went down near rosie creek exit, on the baks of the tanana, so far no crew survived, the fire is contained That sucks. Pumped fuel from that plane when it was a Brooks plane as well as many a load from Everts DC-6/C-47’s. I feel for those families involved. I used to grouse hunt that area a bit. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:05:54 PM EDT
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What are the odds that today I spent my morning coffee time reading about Florida Air Cargo who operates 3 DC3s out of Opa Locka and this happens?
I know DC3 vs DC4, but I was in awe that someone still operates 80 year old cargo planes that served in WW2. RIP to the crew. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:15:26 PM EDT
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Prayers for the crew and family. Has to be terrible, life changing event.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:16:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KA3B]
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Originally built as a Douglas C-54D-1-DC Skymaster
USAAF Serial Number 42-72442 Manufacturers serial number 10547 To the RAF as Skymaster I KL977 as part of Lend-Lease To the US Navy in 1946 as R5D-3 BUNO 91994 as part of Reverse Lend-Lease Redesignated C-54Q in 1962 To Aero Union Corporation, Chico, CA with FAA N-Number N6229 December 1974 Assigned a new FAA N-Number N76AU To Aero Flite Inc, Kingman, AZ with new FAA N-Number N3054V October 2001 To Brooks Fuel Inc, Fairbanks, AK May 2012 To Alaska Air Fuel Inc, Palmer, AK October 2013 To Alaska Air Fuel Inc, Palmer, AK with new FAA N-Number N3054V June 2020 You can see it here https://www.flickr.com/photos/keith_burton/53346567061/in/photolist-Zh5Udh-2ph46PB as a firebomber with Aero Union, N76AU in 1986. You can see it here https://www.flickr.com/photos/keith_burton/37594355800/in/photolist-Zh5Udh-2ph46PB painted in WWII Euro markings in 1998. Aero Union was trying to sell it on the warbird market. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:19:06 PM EDT
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An old plane in my hometown crashing. Not exactly news.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:20:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imyeet: Was an alaska air fuel DC 4, went down near rosie creek exit, on the baks of the tanana, so far no crew survived, the fire is contained Man, thanks for the info, but this is such an oddly specific First Post. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:26:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stumpy89: An old plane in my hometown crashing. Not exactly news. Not many four engine piston airliners left in flying condition. This may have been one of the last of its types still airworthy. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:42:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: akcaribouhunter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wingsnthings: Damn old airplanes. It should be criminal that lawyers and regulators make it necessary to keep these airplanes operating long past their prime. But economics make upgrading. Plus there are always villages that get missed or cannot get full by barge. There have been skyvans,sherpas,air tractors,caravans,beavers and other small planes flying fuel. Not very efficient way of hauling fuel. Hercs will only go to the bigger runways and lynden is busier than shit. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:53:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:57:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wingsnthings: Damn old airplanes. It should be criminal that lawyers and regulators make it necessary to keep these airplanes operating long past their prime. But economics make upgrading. What is criminal about it? The maintenance requirements are the same for any aircraft doing this work regardless of age. What, specifically, is "their prime"? |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:00:27 PM EDT
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RIP to the crew, and condolences to the families.
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:15:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wesr228: Man, thanks for the info, but this is such an oddly specific First Post. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wesr228: Originally Posted By Imyeet: Was an alaska air fuel DC 4, went down near rosie creek exit, on the baks of the tanana, so far no crew survived, the fire is contained Man, thanks for the info, but this is such an oddly specific First Post. Join date, post count, no EE rating either.  
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:34:08 PM EDT
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Sad in more ways than one.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:44:14 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:51:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: What is criminal about it? The maintenance requirements are the same for any aircraft doing this work regardless of age. What, specifically, is "their prime"? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: Originally Posted By wingsnthings: Damn old airplanes. It should be criminal that lawyers and regulators make it necessary to keep these airplanes operating long past their prime. But economics make upgrading. What is criminal about it? The maintenance requirements are the same for any aircraft doing this work regardless of age. What, specifically, is "their prime"? While they have the same requirements, I can't imagine trying to keep a fleet of WW2 planes in revenue service. It's hard enough getting parts for old jets with the weight of the Air Force supporting them. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:53:22 PM EDT
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Prayers for crew and family.
We had a C54 here are Elizabeth City NC airport for the last 4-5 months. I hear she was enroute to somewhere and declared IFE having lost an engine. She sat at the south end of the runway until last week when several mechs arrived and swapped out the stbd inboard engine. Test flight came back, fueled, gone. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 9:51:39 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:13:12 PM EDT
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From another thread with video:
Originally Posted By uafgrad: A DC4 used to transport fuel/cargo crashed today in Fairbanks, Alaska Unfortunately, it sounds like the two on board were lost There is actually video of the plane flying and it appears that one of the engines explodes and then the plane tilts hard and goes down With 4 engines, would the loss of a single engine be so catastrophic typically? Link to the video, I can't figure out how to post it |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:23:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: While they have the same requirements, I can't imagine trying to keep a fleet of WW2 planes in revenue service. It's hard enough getting parts for old jets with the weight of the Air Force supporting them. The Everts mothball yard is acres and acres of airframes, parts, etc, on top of the dozens of airframes on the tarmac just in Fairbanks alone. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:30:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Goodn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NorthPolar: The Everts mothball yard is acres and acres of airframes, parts, etc, on top of the dozens of airframes on the tarmac just in Fairbanks alone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NorthPolar: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: While they have the same requirements, I can't imagine trying to keep a fleet of WW2 planes in revenue service. It's hard enough getting parts for old jets with the weight of the Air Force supporting them. The Everts mothball yard is acres and acres of airframes, parts, etc, on top of the dozens of airframes on the tarmac just in Fairbanks alone. Not only is there a good supply of used parts. Most people would shit if they knew how many NOS parts are still out there for WW2 and Korean war era prop aircraft. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:33:50 PM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:39:03 PM EDT
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I don't see how anyone, like Buffalo Airways, don't switch to feeder airline turboprops that have been/or can be converted to freight use. And not that shit show old Electra, more modern aircraft like ATRs and Dash 8s. Fucking old ass tail dragging DC-3 and Commandos: hard to load, limited parts, AVGAS sucking, difficult to start in cold, etc.
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:44:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: Not only is there a good supply of used parts. Most people would shit if they knew how many NOS parts are still out there for WW2 and Korean war era prop aircraft. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: Originally Posted By NorthPolar: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: While they have the same requirements, I can't imagine trying to keep a fleet of WW2 planes in revenue service. It's hard enough getting parts for old jets with the weight of the Air Force supporting them. The Everts mothball yard is acres and acres of airframes, parts, etc, on top of the dozens of airframes on the tarmac just in Fairbanks alone. Not only is there a good supply of used parts. Most people would shit if they knew how many NOS parts are still out there for WW2 and Korean war era prop aircraft. I stand by my statement. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:50:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By junker46: I don't see how anyone, like Buffalo Airways, don't switch to feeder airline turboprops that have been/or can be converted to freight use. And not that shit show old Electra, more modern aircraft like ATRs and Dash 8s. Fucking old ass tail dragging DC-3 and Commandos: hard to load, limited parts, AVGAS sucking, difficult to start in cold, etc. Colder operating temperatures, short airfields, and shitty runways w/ ingestible pebbles have a vote too. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:00:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sierra5: Engine blew and it inverted into the ground. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1cbmlc3/moment_an_engine_explodes_on_doomed_dc4_flight/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Damn, that’s horrible |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:01:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: I stand by my statement. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Goodn: Originally Posted By NorthPolar: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: While they have the same requirements, I can't imagine trying to keep a fleet of WW2 planes in revenue service. It's hard enough getting parts for old jets with the weight of the Air Force supporting them. The Everts mothball yard is acres and acres of airframes, parts, etc, on top of the dozens of airframes on the tarmac just in Fairbanks alone. Not only is there a good supply of used parts. Most people would shit if they knew how many NOS parts are still out there for WW2 and Korean war era prop aircraft. I stand by my statement.  I didn't say what I said to argue with you. I said what I said from experience. Most people would shit if they knew the amount of parts still available for the WW2 era planes. The amount parts were cranked out of factories during the war was mind boggling. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:03:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sierra5: Engine blew and it inverted into the ground. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1cbmlc3/moment_an_engine_explodes_on_doomed_dc4_flight/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Amazing. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:26:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwb211: Damn, that’s horrible That was quick. Something was happening prior since they already declared before this happened, engine must’ve taken out control cables when it went. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:33:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By junker46: I don't see how anyone, like Buffalo Airways, don't switch to feeder airline turboprops that have been/or can be converted to freight use. And not that shit show old Electra, more modern aircraft like ATRs and Dash 8s. Fucking old ass tail dragging DC-3 and Commandos: hard to load, limited parts, AVGAS sucking, difficult to start in cold, etc. So you want them to operate aircraft that have known icing issues and have been scrubbed from most US service in icing areas? Aircraft that are not designed for unimproved fields and they would require either trend monitoring to keep from the overhaul schedule OR just eating the overhaul costs. A lot of issues when what you have is paid for and working just fine. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:49:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: So you want them to operate aircraft that have known icing issues and have been scrubbed from most US service in icing areas? Aircraft that are not designed for unimproved fields and they would require either trend monitoring to keep from the overhaul schedule OR just eating the overhaul costs. A lot of issues when what you have is paid for and working just fine. The fields up here are nothing like what’s in the states. Even the best of them are nothing to look at. The older planes were built for these types of runways. By lower 48 standards many would be considered unimproved. My insurance even for runway only planes is written as off airport, my insurance only considered paved runways in the larger cities as actual airports from their risk perspective. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:57:48 PM EDT
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I watched the brief Reddit video of the engine explosion and subsequent crash.
I’m not an aviator, so I’m a bit perplexed why an engine malfunction could cause a crash. Could the malfunction/explosion be violent enough to sever control linkages, rendering the plane uncontrollable? Certainly a sad outcome for the families of the crew, a couple blokes doing their job.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 12:00:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alaskan_9974: That was quick. Something was happening prior since they already declared before this happened, engine must’ve taken out control cables when it went. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alaskan_9974: Originally Posted By jwb211: Damn, that’s horrible That was quick. Something was happening prior since they already declared before this happened, engine must’ve taken out control cables when it went. From the way it went over immediately my guess is they already had a problem with the other engine on that side, and were pushing the left outboard hard. It grenaded and they were screwed. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 12:00:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scott_S: I watched the brief Reddit video of the engine explosion and subsequent crash. I’m not an aviator, so I’m a bit perplexed why an engine malfunction could cause a crash. Could the malfunction/explosion be violent enough to sever control linkages, rendering the plane uncontrollable? Certainly a sad outcome for the families of the crew, a couple blokes doing their job. Having zero experience wrenching on C-54s, my gut says no. I would expect the flight control cables to run along the rear spar and not be near the engine, but that's obviously a guess. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 12:19:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: akcaribouhunter]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: So you want them to operate aircraft that have known icing issues and have been scrubbed from most US service in icing areas? Aircraft that are not designed for unimproved fields and they would require either trend monitoring to keep from the overhaul schedule OR just eating the overhaul costs. A lot of issues when what you have is paid for and working just fine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By junker46: I don't see how anyone, like Buffalo Airways, don't switch to feeder airline turboprops that have been/or can be converted to freight use. And not that shit show old Electra, more modern aircraft like ATRs and Dash 8s. Fucking old ass tail dragging DC-3 and Commandos: hard to load, limited parts, AVGAS sucking, difficult to start in cold, etc. So you want them to operate aircraft that have known icing issues and have been scrubbed from most US service in icing areas? Aircraft that are not designed for unimproved fields and they would require either trend monitoring to keep from the overhaul schedule OR just eating the overhaul costs. A lot of issues when what you have is paid for and working just fine.  DC-3, Bush Air Cargo, Alaska  Take off from Sleetmute, AK  Typical Landing In Nanwalek, AK  Landing in Nanwalek, AK |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 12:42:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: So you want them to operate aircraft that have known icing issues and have been scrubbed from most US service in icing areas? Aircraft that are not designed for unimproved fields and they would require either trend monitoring to keep from the overhaul schedule OR just eating the overhaul costs. A lot of issues when what you have is paid for and working just fine. Okay, so there are no commercially viable rough/short field tubroprop freighters in the world, and the WW2 reciprocals will forever fly those routes. Let me make a note of that. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 12:49:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By junker46: Okay, so there are no commercially viable rough/short field tubroprop freighters in the world, and the WW2 reciprocals will forever fly those routes. Let me make a note of that. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 1:51:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Some of it is weight and tire size. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Originally Posted By junker46: Okay, so there are no commercially viable rough/short field tubroprop freighters in the world, and the WW2 reciprocals will forever fly those routes. Let me make a note of that. Bigger issue is that the manufacturing industry isn't what it was 50 years ago, and AK is a niche market. Undoubtedly a better brush transport *could* be built, but ain't nobody wanna spend the money to develop an entire type for it. |
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