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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:25:42 AM EDT
He heard about what happened with his wife.
He was hoping that Butch and Vincent would kill each other.  |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:32:39 AM EDT
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It was Vincent's gun that he laid down so he could take a dump.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:33:26 AM EDT
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It was Vincent's Mac. He left it on the counter when he went to take a shit.
Probably thought there was NO way Butch would be dumb enough to come back to his place and got complacent. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:34:34 AM EDT
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“What does Marcellus Wallace look like?”
It isn’t John Travolta. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:35:56 AM EDT
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My impression was Vincent left it there while he was in the bathroom. Fits with his general carelessness with firearms (RIP Marvin) and ties in with the notion that Jules had his little spiritual awakening moment and walked away from that life while Vincent ignored the sign and paid for it with his life.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:36:34 AM EDT
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Heroin actually drove a bunch of the plot in that movie. Don't do drugs kids.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:43:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pokernut: Heroin actually drove a bunch of the plot in that movie. Don't do drugs kids. I heard somewhere that Jackson's character was originally written for Lawrence Fishburne. But he turned it down because when he read the script it came across as "glorifying heroin." Must have been some serious changes from that first draft because Pulp Fiction sure doesn't seem like a movie that glorifies heroin to me!
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:44:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fenderCAB: It was Vincent's gun that he laid down so he could take a dump. Vincent carried a .45. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:45:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamuelAdams1776: Vincent carried a .45. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7b91d83595bb414e2da625ca8ad51647-lq In that particular instance. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:47:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamuelAdams1776: Vincent carried a .45. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7b91d83595bb414e2da625ca8ad51647-lq Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamuelAdams1776: Originally Posted By fenderCAB: It was Vincent's gun that he laid down so he could take a dump. Vincent carried a .45. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7b91d83595bb414e2da625ca8ad51647-lq Leaving heroin where an addict can find it? Ok, I can see that happening in that line of work. Pointing a loaded gun with your finger on the trigger at someone you don't intend to kill there and then in a moving car? Vincent was definitely too dumb to live. Something was bound to catch up to him. Safe gun handling, drug risk management. The guy was a walking public service announcement. "Hey kids, don't do what Vincent does!"
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 1:48:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamuelAdams1776: Vincent carried a .45. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7b91d83595bb414e2da625ca8ad51647-lq Damn dude. LMGTFY. 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:30:22 AM EDT
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Bad things happen when Vincent is in a bathroom. Mia's overdose, the diner robbery, butch coming back to his apartment to get his father's watch.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 2:31:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAI? It says that the gun belongs to Wallace. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:11:38 AM EDT
[#13]
Butch left the fight early, running out to the taxi lady. He wasn't expected home that soon. They were gonna kill him after he threw the fight but he turned tables on them. Whether it was Marcellus' mac or Vincent's doesn't matter. No advantage for Marcellus to have left it. He'd be walking back into the situation with butch having the Mac, so he could just shot Vincent himself.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 4:22:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: akguy1985]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wagonteeth: Butch left the fight early, running out to the taxi lady. He wasn't expected home that soon. They were gonna kill him after he threw the fight but he turned tables on them. Whether it was Marcellus' mac or Vincent's doesn't matter. No advantage for Marcellus to have left it. He'd be walking back into the situation with butch having the Mac, so he could just shot Vincent himself. Butch didn't leave the fight early, he killed the other boxer instead of taking a dive. The radio dj was talking about it on the radio in the taxi and Esmeralda Villalobos was talking about it with butch.  Pulp Fiction | 'What Does It Feel Like to Kill a Man?' (HD) - Bruce Willis | MIRAMAX |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:08:14 AM EDT
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His soul was in the briefcase.
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:22:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CZRider: My impression was Vincent left it there while he was in the bathroom. Fits with his general carelessness with firearms (RIP Marvin) and ties in with the notion that Jules had his little spiritual awakening moment and walked away from that life while Vincent ignored the sign and paid for it with his life. He shot Marvin in the face on purpose. Replay the scene on slow motion and you see him pull the trigger. He wasn't careless. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:22:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: akguy1985]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mrkma: His soul was in the briefcase. It's a macguffin, allegedly. That, or it's the diamonds from reservoir dogs. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:38:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jason280]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: He shot Marvin in the face on purpose. Replay the scene on slow motion and you see him pull the trigger. He wasn't careless.  Attached File |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:44:11 AM EDT
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Marcellus did not plant the MAC-10. Nothing in the movie suggests he found out about his wife overdosing on Vincent's watch, or that he therefore wanted Butch and Vincent to kill each other. Regardless, there is no way Marcellus could (1) anticipate the exact moment Butch would return home; (2) know that Vincent would be in the restroom right then; and (3) sneak into the apartment, place the gun, and then sneak out – all between the time Vincent closes the bathroom door and Butch opens the front door. Off-camera events are implied by context and do not require viewers to stretch their imaginations beyond the breaking point.
With that said, OP only came up with this theory because the scene is not believable by itself. Vincent is a career criminal who is no stranger to murder. He is lying in wait for an ambush as soon as Butch enters the apartment. Since he does not know when that might happen and Butch is dangerous – a professional fighter who just killed an opponent in the ring – Vincent has to be on guard at all times. If you were in that situation, would you ever leave your weapon far out of reach, where you could not even see it? Tarantino did lay some groundwork that helps explain this, with Vincent being prone to doing stupid things and working while high on heroin. But if that was supposed to be the angle, its presentation was too subtle. I always thought the scene would have been better if Vincent had emerged from the restroom with a rubber strap around his forearm, or there was something else to show that he forgot his MAC-10 on the kitchen counter because he was busy shooting up. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:50:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: He shot Marvin in the face on purpose. Replay the scene on slow motion and you see him pull the trigger. He wasn't careless. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By CZRider: My impression was Vincent left it there while he was in the bathroom. Fits with his general carelessness with firearms (RIP Marvin) and ties in with the notion that Jules had his little spiritual awakening moment and walked away from that life while Vincent ignored the sign and paid for it with his life. He shot Marvin in the face on purpose. Replay the scene on slow motion and you see him pull the trigger. He wasn't careless. The car hit a bump? Kharn |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:52:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RMVS: Marcellus did not plant the MAC-10. Nothing in the movie suggests he found out about his wife overdosing on Vincent's watch, or that he therefore wanted Butch and Vincent to kill each other. Regardless, there is no way Marcellus could (1) anticipate the exact moment Butch would return home; (2) know that Vincent would be in the restroom right then; and (3) sneak into the apartment, place the gun, and then sneak out – all between the time Vincent closes the bathroom door and Butch opens the front door. Off-camera events are implied by context and do not require viewers to stretch their imaginations beyond the breaking point. With that said, OP only came up with this theory because the scene is not believable by itself. Vincent is a career criminal who is no stranger to murder. He is lying in wait for an ambush as soon as Butch enters the apartment. Since he does not know when that might happen and Butch is dangerous – a professional fighter who just killed an opponent in the ring – Vincent has to be on guard at all times. If you were in that situation, would you ever leave your weapon far out of reach, where you could not even see it? Tarantino did lay some groundwork that helps explain this, with Vincent being prone to doing stupid things and working while high on heroin. But if that was supposed to be the angle, its presentation was too subtle. I always thought the scene would have been better if Vincent had emerged from the restroom with a rubber strap around his forearm, or there was something else to show that he forgot his MAC-10 on the kitchen counter because he was busy shooting up. He's not shooting up, he's trying to take a shit. Opioids causes constipation. Kharn |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:56:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaveJRSC: “What does Marcellus Wallace look like?” It isn’t John Travolta. "Does he look like a bitch?" |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:59:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: runfrumu]
[#23]
Marcellus left the Mac there when he went to grab the donuts and coffee he was carrying back when Butch hits him later. You cant carry that mac into a diner. When he left Vincent isnt taking a shit, and assumes its safe to leave his gun on the counter in the kitchen while Vincent is watching the apartment.
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:02:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ronin72]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: The car hit a bump? Kharn Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: Originally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By CZRider: My impression was Vincent left it there while he was in the bathroom. Fits with his general carelessness with firearms (RIP Marvin) and ties in with the notion that Jules had his little spiritual awakening moment and walked away from that life while Vincent ignored the sign and paid for it with his life. He shot Marvin in the face on purpose. Replay the scene on slow motion and you see him pull the trigger. He wasn't careless. The car hit a bump? Kharn I didn't mean to shoot the son of a bitch the gun went off, I don't know why... |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:09:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RMVS]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: He's not shooting up, he's trying to take a shit. Opioids causes constipation. Kharn Sure, but that does not explain why he would leave his weapon out of reach and out of sight when he is lying in wait to kill a dangerous person at any moment. I'm not saying he was shooting up off-camera and the audience can infer that. I'm saying the scene would have been better, and would make more sense, if Tarantino had changed it in some way to suggest that he had been shooting up. Then people like myself and the OP wouldn't be thinking, "How the hell could he forget he put his gun on the kitchen counter?" |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:26:51 AM EDT
[#26]
It was Vinnies gun.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:27:30 AM EDT
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Never even occurred to me that Marcellus was at the apartment.
Always just figured Vincent was a retard. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:42:29 AM EDT
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Criminals, especially heroin addicted criminals, do stupid things.
My wife gets annoyed when we watch cop shows and I point out the plot holes and technical errors. But, one thing I never say is that the writers had the criminals do something that was so stupid that they would never do it in real life. Because, in real life, there is nothing so stupid, that some criminal somewhere, won't do it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:43:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blackfriar: It was Vincent's Mac. He left it on the counter when he went to take a shit. Probably thought there was NO way Butch would be dumb enough to come back to his place and got complacent. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:47:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akguy1985: Bad things happen when Vincent is in a bathroom. Mia's overdose, the diner robbery, butch coming back to his apartment to get his father's watch. Heroin causes constipation |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:47:51 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I heard somewhere that Jackson's character was originally written for Lawrence Fishburne. But he turned it down because when he read the script it came across as "glorifying heroin." Must have been some serious changes from that first draft because Pulp Fiction sure doesn't seem like a movie that glorifies heroin to me! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By Pokernut: Heroin actually drove a bunch of the plot in that movie. Don't do drugs kids. I heard somewhere that Jackson's character was originally written for Lawrence Fishburne. But he turned it down because when he read the script it came across as "glorifying heroin." Must have been some serious changes from that first draft because Pulp Fiction sure doesn't seem like a movie that glorifies heroin to me! @Hesperus Man, Fishburn would have done a great job with that part as well and it would be interesting to see him in that role! But Samual Jackson hit it out of the park. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:53:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akguy1985: Bad things happen when Vincent is in a bathroom. Mia's overdose, the diner robbery, butch coming back to his apartment to get his father's watch. Heroin/opiates also cause constipation |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 7:54:49 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamuelAdams1776: AI? It says that the gun belongs to Wallace. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamuelAdams1776: AI? It says that the gun belongs to Wallace. You didn’t say “Marcellus’ gun”. You said “Marcellus”. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:10:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RMVS: With that said, OP only came up with this theory because the scene is not believable by itself. Vincent is a career criminal who is no stranger to murder. He is lying in wait for an ambush as soon as Butch enters the apartment. Ummmmm. No. If that were the case there would be no "path of the righteous man" monologuing etc. They don't want to just kill him. They want to make sure he knows why he is being killed, then kill him. Everything else you said is spot on. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:13:43 AM EDT
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Vincent is repeatedly careless and dumb.
Vincent fails to learn he should quit being a hitman and just "walk the earth" like Jules realizes. Thus Vincent dies on the toilet, killed with a machine gun he carelessly left out in plain sight. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:19:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: Marcellus left the Mac there when he went to grab the donuts and coffee he was carrying back when Butch hits him later. You cant carry that mac into a diner. When he left Vincent isnt taking a shit, and assumes it's safe to leave his gun on the counter in the kitchen while Vincent is watching the apartment. Vincent was preoccupied with taking a dump due to his opioid constipation and possibly distracted by looking too forward to the doughnuts (preoccupied with food, think Royal with cheese and $5 milkshake scenes). Also, Jules was the brains of the two. Vincent didnt have a chance on his own. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:23:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jos51700]
[#37]
Marcellus has his own gun. He fires it at Butch die-rectly, right after Butch hits him with the car.
The MAC is Vincent's. Remember the trunk scene, "we should have shotguns for this...." Vincent up-armed, and had been thinking about it, especially since Jules left. I have always wondered if it really is a MAC, or a Royale, minus cheese. ETA just realized how dumb that is as it's the quarter pounder that is the Royale. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:26:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RMVS: Sure, but that does not explain why he would leave his weapon out of reach and out of sight when he is lying in wait to kill a dangerous person at any moment. I'm not saying he was shooting up off-camera and the audience can infer that. I'm saying the scene would have been better, and would make more sense, if Tarantino had changed it in some way to suggest that he had been shooting up. Then people like myself and the OP wouldn't be thinking, "How the hell could he forget he put his gun on the kitchen counter?" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RMVS: Originally Posted By Kharn: He's not shooting up, he's trying to take a shit. Opioids causes constipation. Kharn Sure, but that does not explain why he would leave his weapon out of reach and out of sight when he is lying in wait to kill a dangerous person at any moment. I'm not saying he was shooting up off-camera and the audience can infer that. I'm saying the scene would have been better, and would make more sense, if Tarantino had changed it in some way to suggest that he had been shooting up. Then people like myself and the OP wouldn't be thinking, "How the hell could he forget he put his gun on the kitchen counter?" He's a fuck up. Practically the only thing in the entire movie not his fault was the un-fixed boxing match, because he and Jules weren't involved yet. Kharn |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:35:31 AM EDT
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For some strange reason, that is one of my favorite things of that movie.
Travolta getting wasted coming out of the shitter. Should have had Jackson ran over by a church van. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:39:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Scott-S6]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamuelAdams1776: Vincent carried a .45. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7b91d83595bb414e2da625ca8ad51647-lq No. That gun was provided to him for that job. It tells us nothing about what he typically carries or prefers to carry. Watch the movie. Also, it's a 9mm (star model B). Which is referenced in the movie. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:51:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scott-S6: No. That gun was provided to him for that job. It tells us nothing about what he typically carries or prefers to carry. Watch the movie. Also, it's a 9mm (star model B). Which is referenced in the movie. Jules carried a star model B 9mm. Look on the Imfdb.org page. https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Pulp_Fiction |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:54:42 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: He's not shooting up, he's trying to take a shit. Opioids causes constipation. Kharn Which is why I'll never do opioids. I like being regular. 
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:55:54 AM EDT
[#43]
Had to watch it again.
 Pulp Fiction: Butch shoots Vincent (HD CLIP) |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:15:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ExFed1811: Criminals, especially heroin addicted criminals, do stupid things. My wife gets annoyed when we watch cop shows and I point out the plot holes and technical errors. But, one thing I never say is that the writers had the criminals do something that was so stupid that they would never do it in real life. Because, in real life, there is nothing so stupid, that some criminal somewhere, won't do it. Exactly. Thank God that most violent criminals turn to crime to thrive because they're too stupid to thrive any other way. It makes them easier to catch, and when caught they can be incapacitated. At least that's how things used to work. Smarter nascent criminals usually find a way to be within the law(-ish) when they indulge in sociopathy. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:23:54 AM EDT
[#45]
Maybe it was Potbelly's Mac and she just told Butch about forgetting the watch and was going to trickle truth that she also forgot the Mac on the counter?
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:25:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Cypher214]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-4: @Hesperus Man, Fishburn would have done a great job with that part as well and it would be interesting to see him in that role! But Samual Jackson hit it out of the park. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-4: Originally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By Pokernut: Heroin actually drove a bunch of the plot in that movie. Don't do drugs kids. I heard somewhere that Jackson's character was originally written for Lawrence Fishburne. But he turned it down because when he read the script it came across as "glorifying heroin." Must have been some serious changes from that first draft because Pulp Fiction sure doesn't seem like a movie that glorifies heroin to me! @Hesperus Man, Fishburn would have done a great job with that part as well and it would be interesting to see him in that role! But Samual Jackson hit it out of the park. There's no way Fishburne could have pulled off that role without an obnoxious level of overacting, like he usually does. Jackson was perfect and that movie launched his career. Nobody does "angry black man" like Sam Jackson. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:26:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Leaving heroin where an addict can find it? Ok, I can see that happening in that line of work. Pointing a loaded gun with your finger on the trigger at someone you don't intend to kill there and then in a moving car? Vincent was definitely too dumb to live. Something was bound to catch up to him. Safe gun handling, drug risk management. The guy was a walking public service announcement. "Hey kids, don't do what Vincent does!" Someone here posted about how everything bad that happened in that movie was due to Vincent’s stupidity |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:33:20 AM EDT
[#48]
People put more thought into Tarentino movies than Tarentino does.
Like paintings Art Connoisseur: the lines and colors of this paint indicate the artists attempt to illustrate the duality of man and struggles with mental illness. Beautiful! Artist: Actually, my cat knocked over the canvas onto my paints. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:42:07 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: Marcellus left the Mac there when he went to grab the donuts and coffee he was carrying back when Butch hits him later. You cant carry that mac into a diner. When he left Vincent isnt taking a shit, and assumes its safe to leave his gun on the counter in the kitchen while Vincent is watching the apartment. As many times as I've seen this movie I never connected the dots on this. So Marcellus gets Vincent killed on accident. Or Vincent taking forever with is opiate constipation dump did him in. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:44:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: runcible]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: He shot Marvin in the face on purpose. Replay the scene on slow motion and you see him pull the trigger. He wasn't careless. His carelessness kills someone (Marvin), almost kills someone (Mia), then - because he doesn't learn his lesson - it kills him. |
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