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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:45:28 AM EDT
I’m an acoustic player but I have almost all my bases covered.
Gibson SG and Les Pauls are short scale-not for me. Fender Strat vs G&L? Telecaster vs ASAT? I gravitate country but have a long lost love for Rock. School me. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:33:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: targetworks]
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I don't know 'the answer'.
But have you also considered getting a lap steel guitar or even a pedal steel? Yeah, a lot of country music relies on those, but, surprisingly or not, both of those have recently started making substantial inroads into rock (above and beyond their notable presence within some classic Yes and Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young tracks). |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 12:16:38 PM EDT
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Just my opinion, but if you lean heavily toward country, a telecaster variant would probably fit the bill.
They are used pretty extensively in rock too. There are a LOT more really good options than just G&L or Fender. Unless you just have to have one. I bought a Schecter PT Special recently to scratch my telecaster itch. Couldn't be happier with it. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 12:52:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By just-mike: Just my opinion, but if you lean heavily toward country, a telecaster variant would probably fit the bill. They are used pretty extensively in rock too. There are a LOT more really good options than just G&L or Fender. Unless you just have to have one. I bought a Schecter PT Special recently to scratch my telecaster itch. Couldn't be happier with it. I like “really good options”. 
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Posted: 4/24/2024 2:29:12 PM EDT
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Article on Country Rigs at Sweetwater
Some light reading to aide in research. I picked up a Squier CV 70's Telecaster, I think a short time ago. I've found the lack of a forearm contour to be uncomfortable after an hour in the position(s) I play in. Thus I suggest a more modern version with arch top, or contour(s). Richie Kotzen Model for Example Do you need one? I'm going with since you asked the question, Absolutely. Hope some of this is helpful. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 11:04:22 PM EDT
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My vote goes to either an American Fender, or the PRS NF53
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:24:46 AM EDT
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Which tier or price point?
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:31:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BTccw: I’m an acoustic player but I have almost all my bases covered. Gibson SG and Les Pauls are short scale-not for me. Fender Strat vs G&L? Telecaster vs ASAT? I gravitate country but have a long lost love for Rock. School me. Telecaster. It is extremely versatile and can be used for any style of music. No pesky whammy bar to complicate set-up and introduce tuning instability. But your next question is which amp. With an electric, the guitar is only part of the equation. The amp is also an instrument. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 4:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Telecaster. It is extremely versatile and can be used for any style of music. No pesky whammy bar to complicate set-up and introduce tuning instability. But your next question is which amp. With an electric, the guitar is only part of the equation. The amp is also an instrument. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Originally Posted By BTccw: I’m an acoustic player but I have almost all my bases covered. Gibson SG and Les Pauls are short scale-not for me. Fender Strat vs G&L? Telecaster vs ASAT? I gravitate country but have a long lost love for Rock. School me. Telecaster. It is extremely versatile and can be used for any style of music. No pesky whammy bar to complicate set-up and introduce tuning instability. But your next question is which amp. With an electric, the guitar is only part of the equation. The amp is also an instrument. You’re right-And then it’s pedals…. Today I’m checking out Duesenburgs. I’ve got a 3-5k budget for a guitar I don’t know if I’m going to play-so no $50k 62 Tele’s for me. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 6:40:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mach]
[#9]
If you are only getting one electric get something like a Tele deluxe or a strat or a Les Paul but one that has 2 humbuckers that can be split into single coil pick ups
that way you can play humbuckers for blues and jazz and country but also single coil for rock and jazz depending on the genre and specific song you get both types of sound because there is a big difference in sounds. I Also have a headless travel guitar that breaks down that has split humbuckers. Very versatile. I have a gibson SG and a fender strat and they are different sounds then dont bother with individual pedals, get an effects processor with all the modeling and effects and an amp or just a headphone amp with headphones if you dont want the whole house / neighborhood to hear you. You can go deaf all by yourself.  and remember, unlike an acoustic, the pickups only pick up the vibration of the metal strings in the magnetic field of the pickups. Contrary to popular belief, there is no tone from the wood of the body or the neck or the nut or the saddle. All of the tone come from the pickups quality and the circuit quality. quality wood and neck and craftmanship is something to enjoy for sure ( especially the neck ) and admire and cherish but it has nothing to do with the sound. Tge sounds is all about the pickups, pots, and caps in the cavity . post pics! |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:03:10 PM EDT
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also pay attention to the neck profile, neck width and neck radius. Electric guitars have a varied lineup even within the same manufacturer. you will probably have very specific preferences coming from acoustics but you might not want a wide flat chunky neck like an acoustic even though that might feel initially comfortable to you. You will play the electric different.
Play a variety of types to get a feel for what is available . You are used to high end acoustics, you are probably going to want to play a varied selection of high end electrics, they are much more varied. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 10:07:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: splitbolt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BTccw: I’ve got a 3-5k budget for a guitar I don’t know if I’m going to play... So, re-sell value might be a consideration? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:16:53 PM EDT
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Tele or semi hollowbody Gretsch with real filtertron pickups. Either of those can do country, blues, and rock.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 6:30:47 AM EDT
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G&L ASAT Special.
Of course, when I wanted a Tele, I assembled my own, which is always an option. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:16:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: splitbolt]
[#14]
PRS NF53(25.5") or PRS Studio(25") is my suggestion. I think the feel, versatility and more balanced sounds would make the transition more palatable to someone coming from high-end acoustics.
Unless you absolutely have to have the cut-your-head treble and snap of a tele, or quack of strat; then my suggestion is build your own. I think being able to spec the neck, would also make the transition easier. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:57:08 AM EDT
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I'm mainly an acoustic guy, but I have a Mexican HSS player strat that can just about do it all when the mood strikes me to plug in. For under a grand, you get a lot of versatility, and it's fun as hell.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:23:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: If you are only getting one electric get something like a Tele deluxe or a strat or a Les Paul but one that has 2 humbuckers that can be split into single coil pick ups that way you can play humbuckers for blues and jazz and country but also single coil for rock and jazz depending on the genre and specific song you get both types of sound because there is a big difference in sounds. I Also have a headless travel guitar that breaks down that has split humbuckers. Very versatile. Eh... I don't know that I'd say you get both sounds. Split humbuckers don't really sound the same as Strat or Tele single coils, which makes sense when you consider that the coils are shaped and positioned differently. It is certainly added versatility that is nice to have, but I wouldn't say that a split hum actually replaces a Tele or Strat if you specifically want those types of sounds. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:06:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: splitbolt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walkure: Eh... I don't know that I'd say you get both sounds. Split humbuckers don't really sound the same as Strat or Tele single coils, which makes sense when you consider that the coils are shaped and positioned differently. It is certainly added versatility that is nice to have, but I wouldn't say that a split hum actually replaces a Tele or Strat if you specifically want those types of sounds. I agree. Other than the tonal difference, there's the output difference. There are a couple things you can do to get it closer; start with a higher output humbucker and/or have a resistor on the split leads for a partial split. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:34:00 AM EDT
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When the EMP comes, will you have your Les Paul and amp in a Faraday cage?
We're going to need music! |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:33:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: and remember, unlike an acoustic, the pickups only pick up the vibration of the metal strings in the magnetic field of the pickups. Contrary to popular belief, there is no tone from the wood of the body or the neck or the nut or the saddle. All of the tone come from the pickups quality and the circuit quality. quality wood and neck and craftmanship is something to enjoy for sure ( especially the neck ) and admire and cherish but it has nothing to do with the sound. Tge sounds is all about the pickups, pots, and caps in the cavity . post pics! Not true at all. The same pickup can sound completely different in two different guitars. A guitar with a Floyd Rose will sound different from a guitar with a hardtail even with the same pickups. A slim, lightweight, guitar can sound thin with little bottom end compared to a Les Paul with a heavy, dense, mahogany body even with the same pickups. Yes; selecting pickups and electronics is a major consideration but that selection must match the specific guitar's characteristics. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:38:46 PM EDT
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Do you need one? No
You probably 5-10  If you're into country a tele is pretty standard. Funnily the best tele I ever played was an ESP a friend had but that's just my taste. A local guy named Andy Wood does his own take on country licks on a signature Suhr tele and it sounds sweet too. My advice on what you posted? Go try a few. Fender and G&L while similar feel a good bit different to me whether guitar or bass. It's going to fall to personal taste. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 3:19:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: luv_the_huskers]
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I was in a GC store yesterday and they had a made in Japan Gretsch Professional Series. It was in a word, fantastic.
This is the one |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:09:00 PM EDT
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I'm gonna toss out another thought here in case you are not married to the idea of a telecaster. I think the absolute most versatile guitar I have ever seen would be the PRS SE Hollow Body II Piezo.
 PRS SE HOLLOWBODY II PIEZO - A Dream Guitar From PRS! |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:25:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: also pay attention to the neck profile, neck width and neck radius. Electric guitars have a varied lineup even within the same manufacturer. you will probably have very specific preferences coming from acoustics but you might not want a wide flat chunky neck like an acoustic even though that might feel initially comfortable to you. You will play the electric different. Play a variety of types to get a feel for what is available . You are used to high end acoustics, you are probably going to want to play a varied selection of high end electrics, they are much more varied. Thanks for the input Mach. Lots of considerations and new things to learn but it beats watching or reading the news. I’m kinda shocked at electric guitar prices-compared to acoustic. I am paying attention to the advice here and it’s bounced me back and forth between types… almost on an hourly basis. Being a tone junky is not for the weak minded-or poor. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:30:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoctorCAD: When the EMP comes, will you have your Les Paul and amp in a Faraday cage? We're going to need music! Acoustic guitars were very hard to find even during the Rice Rabies scamdemic. I will be the acoustic king of my fiefdom when the EMp hits.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:09:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By luv_the_huskers: I was in a GC store yesterday and they had a made in Japan Gretsch Professional Series. It was in a word, fantastic. This is the one Wife and I visited the “local” (4 hrs away) GC last weekend. Yikes!!!! What a sonic cluster bomb attack on our senses. Some kid had something plugged in and was trying stairway to heaven. We couldn’t leave fast enough to even try anything. 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:13:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goostoff: I'm gonna toss out another thought here in case you are not married to the idea of a telecaster. I think the absolute most versatile guitar I have ever seen would be the PRS SE Hollow Body II Piezo.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fz6NkYXsCMI had a PRS (Gibson lawsuit) Singlecut. It completely soured me on electric guitars for some crazy reason. I had a Fender Mustang and a Gibson SG growing up….but just gravitated to acoustics in life. Now I’m back to wanting one- and y’all are right-I just need one——- More. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:23:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWow! That is beautiful. I am a tone wood snob and really appreciate the natural wood look. I spent time looking at Lowden GL-10’s yesterday. That said some of the paint colors are really spectacular on a few of the guitars I’ve looked at. I’m actually a bit dismayed at the generally poor quality of wood used in/on electrics. “Swamp ash” and alder are just cheap junk in the acoustic world. Even the “really great” maple necks that I’ve seen would be considered lesser quality in the acoustic world. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:28:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BTccw]
[#29]
There is a Tangerine Orange ASAT on Reverb that is wow….
It’s WAY overpriced and screams…. “Look at me” but I like it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:24:21 PM EDT
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A Telecaster with a Parsons/ White B Bender.
 Marty Stuart: The Story of Clarence White & The Parsons/White StringBender | Guitar Stories |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:38:01 AM EDT
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B-benders are a super niche thing and really a detriment outside of a highly specific style of music and playing. Like a floating tremolo, I think it is a terrible thing to suggest for a first electric guitar.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:42:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BTccw]
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When you start looking….at tele’s, Strats, LP’s—PRS..etc. - It’s all amazing history-most of which I’ve lived through.
These guitars are the soundtracks of our lives. How do you choose just one? Thankfully, unless you are a young Brent Mason you don’t have to these days. Someone said; “does it make you smile”. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BTccw: Acoustic guitars were very hard to find even during the Rice Rabies scamdemic. I will be the acoustic king of my fiefdom when the EMp hits. Vacuum tubes are robust enough to not get fried by an EMP. The older amps void of solid state circuitry would still be rocking as long as there's juice to them. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:37:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goostoff: I'm gonna toss out another thought here in case you are not married to the idea of a telecaster. I think the absolute most versatile guitar I have ever seen would be the PRS SE Hollow Body II Piezo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fz6NkYXsCMAren't the PRS SE series made by Cort in Indonesia? I recall 40 years ago when I was learning to play the Fender and Gibson snobs were trashing the Korean guitars from Cort and Sammick. Also ironic since budget Squier and Epiphone brands are made in Korea. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 5:56:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moondog: Aren't the PRS SE series made by Cort in Indonesia? I recall 40 years ago when I was learning to play the Fender and Gibson snobs were trashing the Korean guitars from Cort and Sammick. Also ironic since budget Squier and Epiphone brands are made in Korea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moondog: Originally Posted By Goostoff: I'm gonna toss out another thought here in case you are not married to the idea of a telecaster. I think the absolute most versatile guitar I have ever seen would be the PRS SE Hollow Body II Piezo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fz6NkYXsCMAren't the PRS SE series made by Cort in Indonesia? I recall 40 years ago when I was learning to play the Fender and Gibson snobs were trashing the Korean guitars from Cort and Sammick. Also ironic since budget Squier and Epiphone brands are made in Korea. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moondog: Vacuum tubes are robust enough to not get fried by an EMP. The older amps void of solid state circuitry would still be rocking as long as there's juice to them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moondog: Originally Posted By BTccw: Acoustic guitars were very hard to find even during the Rice Rabies scamdemic. I will be the acoustic king of my fiefdom when the EMp hits. Vacuum tubes are robust enough to not get fried by an EMP. The older amps void of solid state circuitry would still be rocking as long as there's juice to them. EMP means grid down…grid down= no juice. I just priced tubes for a Twin Reverb. $467.00. That’s half the price of the amp. Now I’m looking at the digital Fender Tone Masters. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:10:51 PM EDT
[#37]
Yes
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 8:25:00 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moondog: Aren't the PRS SE series made by Cort in Indonesia? I recall 40 years ago when I was learning to play the Fender and Gibson snobs were trashing the Korean guitars from Cort and Sammick. Also ironic since budget Squier and Epiphone brands are made in Korea. My first one was Korean made SE Standard 24, The one I have right now is a Korean made SE Mark Holcomb 6 string. The newer ones are Indonesian, but dont let the factory fool you. The PRS Se line is head, and shoulders above many of the big named american guitars. Dollar for dollar the PRS SE guitars are the best value on the planet right now. They are shipped right to the PRS American factory where every single one is unboxed and hand inspected just like the American core models made right here. The SE Hollow Body II Piezo that was in the video I shared is going to be my next one. I just need to replenish my toy fund. If you didnt watch that video I encourage you to do so. I dont think there is a tone that thing cant make. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:00:16 PM EDT
[#39]
IIRC the parent company that owns Cort is one of the largest, if no the largest guitar manufacturer/ vendor that builds several other brands. Their QC is actually pretty good. If their client requests better quality pickups or tuners, they install them.
As mentioned, this was a different story 40 years ago. If someone said PRS guitars were going to be built by Cort back then, they would ask you what you were smoking :) |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 3:47:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moondog: Aren't the PRS SE series made by Cort in Indonesia? I recall 40 years ago when I was learning to play the Fender and Gibson snobs were trashing the Korean guitars from Cort and Sammick. Also ironic since budget Squier and Epiphone brands are made in Korea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moondog: Originally Posted By Goostoff: I'm gonna toss out another thought here in case you are not married to the idea of a telecaster. I think the absolute most versatile guitar I have ever seen would be the PRS SE Hollow Body II Piezo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fz6NkYXsCMAren't the PRS SE series made by Cort in Indonesia? I recall 40 years ago when I was learning to play the Fender and Gibson snobs were trashing the Korean guitars from Cort and Sammick. Also ironic since budget Squier and Epiphone brands are made in Korea. I have a PRS SE semi hollow body and it’s a fantastic guitar. My word of advice would be to buy a used one. They don’t seem to hold value very well. I paid $900 for mine new and you can find them used in excellent condition for $400-$500 on Reverb. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:06:27 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilkyCowboy: Yes |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:11:11 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moondog: IIRC the parent company that owns Cort is one of the largest, if no the largest guitar manufacturer/ vendor that builds several other brands. Their QC is actually pretty good. If their client requests better quality pickups or tuners, they install them. As mentioned, this was a different story 40 years ago. If someone said PRS guitars were going to be built by Cort back then, they would ask you what you were smoking :)  PRS SE Factory Tour | 2022 | PRS Guitars |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 9:42:17 AM EDT
[#43]
How many acoustics do you own? Could you pick just one?
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Posted: 5/2/2024 10:04:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Mach]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thejokker: Not true at all. The same pickup can sound completely different in two different guitars. A guitar with a Floyd Rose will sound different from a guitar with a hardtail even with the same pickups. A slim, lightweight, guitar can sound thin with little bottom end compared to a Les Paul with a heavy, dense, mahogany body even with the same pickups. Yes; selecting pickups and electronics is a major consideration but that selection must match the specific guitar's characteristics. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thejokker: Originally Posted By Mach: and remember, unlike an acoustic, the pickups only pick up the vibration of the metal strings in the magnetic field of the pickups. Contrary to popular belief, there is no tone from the wood of the body or the neck or the nut or the saddle. All of the tone come from the pickups quality and the circuit quality. quality wood and neck and craftmanship is something to enjoy for sure ( especially the neck ) and admire and cherish but it has nothing to do with the sound. Tge sounds is all about the pickups, pots, and caps in the cavity . post pics! Not true at all. The same pickup can sound completely different in two different guitars. A guitar with a Floyd Rose will sound different from a guitar with a hardtail even with the same pickups. A slim, lightweight, guitar can sound thin with little bottom end compared to a Les Paul with a heavy, dense, mahogany body even with the same pickups. Yes; selecting pickups and electronics is a major consideration but that selection must match the specific guitar's characteristics. I don't think so. Pickups only pick up moving metal in the magnetic field. Solid wood does not vibrate much, especially from the sound of un-amplified metal strings, sure you can feel it the vibrations in the wood against your body. But for the pickups to pickup the vibrations in the wood and color the vibrations of the string, those vibrations in the wood would have to travel through the steel connected to the saddles which for a fixed bridge electric like a LP or SG would be through the posts that hold the saddle into the wood and then through the single tiny contact point where the saddle holds the string. There just is not much contact surface. So while it may be possible to get some coloration from the wood onto the string to be picked up by the pickup, it would be extremely small if any and I just don't think you can hear that if it is there at all. The pickups certainly affect the tone. For a strat with a tremelo, maybe more vibrations of the wood travel through the tremelo springs into the bridge and then through the same tiny point of contact with the string, but I doubt it. The only other contact point which is much bigger would be the fret when a string is fretted and the vibration of the wood and neck would have to travel back to the string via the fret, that might allow more vibration back into the string. the problem is that all these things are true with an acoustic and I think people mistakenly think it transfers to electrics and I just don't see it. I could certainly be wrong and the only real way to tell would be to string a string from a nut to a saddle across an air gap and compare that to the same string in tune on a wood guitar recording both signals using the exact same pickup. See if you can hear a difference and use an oscilloscope and see if the wood guitar recording has any added vibrations super imposed on the pure vibration from the string. But i don't have an oscilloscope and it would be very time consuming. ETA: WHOOSA!. Look what I found. This guy compares air gapped strings to a tele. Listen with good headphones or speakers.  Tested: Where Does The Tone Come From In An Electric Guitar? |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 10:15:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BTccw]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By splitbolt: How many acoustics do you own? Could you pick just one? First question; not enough. Looking for a Santa Cruz OMG or a Lowden O-50 but as a tone whore will fall for so many others. Second Question; Right now I’ve got this affair going with my Collings SJ in maple. In a fire—-grab just one guitar and run situation, yes I have one. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 10:31:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DM1975: I have a PRS SE semi hollow body and it’s a fantastic guitar. My word of advice would be to buy a used one. They don’t seem to hold value very well. I paid $900 for mine new and you can find them used in excellent condition for $400-$500 on Reverb. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DM1975: Originally Posted By Moondog: Originally Posted By Goostoff: I'm gonna toss out another thought here in case you are not married to the idea of a telecaster. I think the absolute most versatile guitar I have ever seen would be the PRS SE Hollow Body II Piezo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fz6NkYXsCMAren't the PRS SE series made by Cort in Indonesia? I recall 40 years ago when I was learning to play the Fender and Gibson snobs were trashing the Korean guitars from Cort and Sammick. Also ironic since budget Squier and Epiphone brands are made in Korea. I have a PRS SE semi hollow body and it’s a fantastic guitar. My word of advice would be to buy a used one. They don’t seem to hold value very well. I paid $900 for mine new and you can find them used in excellent condition for $400-$500 on Reverb. Along the PRS line I looked at some Knaggs this week. Those guys came out of PRS and build PRS like guitars. Some good deals to be had from them as well. I can count on one hand the new guitars I’ve bought and I still have them both. There is nothing wrong with respectfully played pre -owned guitars. A lot of boomer “collectors” and guitar whores seem to be letting go of some real treasures right now. I have an appointment tomorrow to try a couple. A G&L ASAT, a 97 Fender Strat, an 80’s vintage Takamine, and whatever else these guys might have that is of interest. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 10:58:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BTccw]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: I don't think so. Pickups only pick up moving metal in the magnetic field. Solid wood does not vibrate much, especially from the sound of un-amplified metal strings, sure you can feel it the vibrations in the wood against your body. But for the pickups to pickup the vibrations in the wood and color the vibrations of the string, those vibrations in the wood would have to travel through the steel connected to the saddles which for a fixed bridge electric like a LP or SG would be through the posts that hold the saddle into the wood and then through the single tiny contact point where the saddle holds the string. There just is not much contact surface. So while it may be possible to get some coloration from the wood onto the string to be picked up by the pickup, it would be extremely small if any and I just don't think you can hear that if it is there at all. The pickups certainly affect the tone. For a strat with a tremelo, maybe more vibrations of the wood travel through the tremelo springs into the bridge and then through the same tiny point of contact with the string, but I doubt it. The only other contact point which is much bigger would be the fret when a string is fretted and the vibration of the wood and neck would have to travel back to the string via the fret, that might allow more vibration back into the string. the problem is that all these things are true with an acoustic and I think people mistakenly think it transfers to electrics and I just don't see it. I could certainly be wrong and the only real way to tell would be to string a string from a nut to a saddle across an air gap and compare that to the same string in tune on a wood guitar recording both signals using the exact same pickup. See if you can hear a difference and use an oscilloscope and see if the wood guitar recording has any added vibrations super imposed on the pure vibration from the string. But i don't have an oscilloscope and it would be very time consuming. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By thejokker: Originally Posted By Mach: and remember, unlike an acoustic, the pickups only pick up the vibration of the metal strings in the magnetic field of the pickups. Contrary to popular belief, there is no tone from the wood of the body or the neck or the nut or the saddle. All of the tone come from the pickups quality and the circuit quality. quality wood and neck and craftmanship is something to enjoy for sure ( especially the neck ) and admire and cherish but it has nothing to do with the sound. Tge sounds is all about the pickups, pots, and caps in the cavity . post pics! Not true at all. The same pickup can sound completely different in two different guitars. A guitar with a Floyd Rose will sound different from a guitar with a hardtail even with the same pickups. A slim, lightweight, guitar can sound thin with little bottom end compared to a Les Paul with a heavy, dense, mahogany body even with the same pickups. Yes; selecting pickups and electronics is a major consideration but that selection must match the specific guitar's characteristics. I don't think so. Pickups only pick up moving metal in the magnetic field. Solid wood does not vibrate much, especially from the sound of un-amplified metal strings, sure you can feel it the vibrations in the wood against your body. But for the pickups to pickup the vibrations in the wood and color the vibrations of the string, those vibrations in the wood would have to travel through the steel connected to the saddles which for a fixed bridge electric like a LP or SG would be through the posts that hold the saddle into the wood and then through the single tiny contact point where the saddle holds the string. There just is not much contact surface. So while it may be possible to get some coloration from the wood onto the string to be picked up by the pickup, it would be extremely small if any and I just don't think you can hear that if it is there at all. The pickups certainly affect the tone. For a strat with a tremelo, maybe more vibrations of the wood travel through the tremelo springs into the bridge and then through the same tiny point of contact with the string, but I doubt it. The only other contact point which is much bigger would be the fret when a string is fretted and the vibration of the wood and neck would have to travel back to the string via the fret, that might allow more vibration back into the string. the problem is that all these things are true with an acoustic and I think people mistakenly think it transfers to electrics and I just don't see it. I could certainly be wrong and the only real way to tell would be to string a string from a nut to a saddle across an air gap and compare that to the same string in tune on a wood guitar recording both signals using the exact same pickup. See if you can hear a difference and use an oscilloscope and see if the wood guitar recording has any added vibrations super imposed on the pure vibration from the string. But i don't have an oscilloscope and it would be very time consuming. Yes, the acoustic world is very different from the solid body-or even semi hollow body electric world. In acoustic world you just KNOW every single guitar is different-regardless of actual tone wood choices. There are gross generalizations but HOW the guitar is built is a huge factor. Thinking about how to design a test rig to try and determine if wood is a variable in an electric would be a fun exercise. Isolate and/or use the exact same pick-ups… Exact same strings….some sort of ransom rest string plucker…it would be like trying to duplicate a bench rest rifle and load and get the same consistency. Good luck… PRS says they have disassembled some of the Pick-ups on some of the best guitars on the planet and rebuilt/remanufactured them to make them as close as possible. My guess is others have done that also. Ditto with Amps including cloth wrapped wiring. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 11:04:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BTccw]
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Info on the physics of tone woods.
From Fender; “At the end of the day, electric guitar tone is a magic brew made up of a lot of factors. And the wood of the neck and body is an ingredient in that recipe.” |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 12:16:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DM1975]
[#49]
To me it makes sense that the wood used causes the strings to vibrate differently, thus making a difference in tone. I believe Seymour Duncan did a video on this as well showing how the wood used in their testing changed the tone.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 12:14:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BTccw: Along the PRS line I looked at some Knaggs this week. Those guys came out of PRS and build PRS like guitars. Some good deals to be had from them as well. I can count on one hand the new guitars I’ve bought and I still have them both. There is nothing wrong with respectfully played pre -owned guitars. A lot of boomer “collectors” and guitar whores seem to be letting go of some real treasures right now. I have an appointment tomorrow to try a couple. A G&L ASAT, a 97 Fender Strat, an 80’s vintage Takamine, and whatever else these guys might have that is of interest. I'd skip on the '97; unless it's a hardtail. Swimming pool route... 
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